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Dowd nails it.

The Hillary Effect
Maureen DowdNOV. 18, 2017


President Bill Clinton leaving the Oval Office in 1999. Stephen Crowley/The New York Times
WASHINGTON — Would the war against preying on women be blazing so fiercely had Hillary Clinton been elected?

When I interviewed women in Hollywood about the ugly Harvey Weinstein revelations in The Times and The New Yorker, they told me that feelings of frustration and disgust at having an accused predator in the White House instead of the first woman president had helped give the story velocity.

When I talked to Susan Fowler, after her blog post about sexual harassment at Uber that toppled its C.E.O., Travis Kalanick, she said that before Donald Trump’s election, women in Silicon Valley were speaking up but no one was listening.

“I think it was different this year because Trump won and people felt powerless,” she said. “I know I did. I felt super powerless. Because I felt, with Obama in the White House, I could just take for granted that good people were in charge.”

It is also interesting to speculate: If Hillary were in the Oval, would some women have failed to summon the courage to tell their Weinstein horror stories because the producer was also a power behind the Clinton throne? As Janice Min, the former editor of The Hollywood Reporter, told me, when Barack Obama stepped off a stage and into Weinstein’s arms for a big hug after giving a $400,000 speech as an ex-president in the spring, it sent a signal that the ogre was in a protected magic circle.

And, finally, would Senator Kirsten Gillibrand and other liberals still be saying in the past few days that Bill Clinton should have resigned the presidency over his own sexual misdeeds if he now occupied the first lady’s quarters and reigned over a potent Clinton political machine?

Or would feminists and liberals make the same Faustian bargain they made in 1998: protect Bill on his retrogressive behavior toward women because the Clintons have progressive policies toward women? So what if a few women are collateral damage, they might ask — again. Wouldn’t you rather have Bill and Bill’s enabler, Hillary, than Donald?

You may wonder why in the year 2017, after so many graphic and scalding national seminars on sexual predation over the last 26 years, we are still trying to come to terms with it.

Perhaps because in those earlier traumatic sagas, both the left and the right rushed in to twist them for their own ideological ends. The stench of hypocrisy overpowered the perfume of justice.

First, with Clarence Thomas, a feminist lynch mob tried to kill off a conservative Supreme Court nominee over sex when the real reason they wanted to get rid of him was politics. Then, with Bill Clinton, a conservative lynch mob tried to kill off a Democratic president over sex when the real reason they wanted to get rid of him was politics.

Institutional feminism died when Gloria Steinem, Madeleine Albright and other top feminists vouched for President Clinton as he brazenly lied about never having had a sexual relationship with “that woman” — Monica Lewinsky. The Clintons and feminists were outraged when Thomas’s supporters painted Anita Hill as “a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty.” Yet that was precisely the Clintonian tack when women spoke up about Bill’s misbehaving.

Time and again, Hillary was a party to demonizing women as liars, bimbos, trailer trash or troubled souls when it seemed clear they were truthful about her philandering husband. She often justified this by thinking of the women as instruments of the right-wing conspiracy.

As I reported in ’98, even some veteran Clinton henchmen felt a little nauseated about the debate inside the White House on a slander strategy for Lewinsky: Should they paint her as a friendly fantasist or a malicious stalker?

Following the Clintons’ lead, Trump dismissed the more than dozen women who stood up to accuse him of sexual transgressions as politically motivated liars.

The president has also politicized the accusations against Republican Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore and Democratic Senator Al Franken. In the first case, despite heinous reports painting Moore as haunting a mall to cruise for teenage girls, Trump has refused to disavow the Stephen Bannon-backed candidate, at one point claiming he didn’t know enough about Moore to comment because he does “not watch much television.” (!!)

In the case of Franken, the president has been happily tweeting his opprobrium and suggesting Franken might have done worse: “The Al Frankenstien picture is really bad, speaks a thousand words. Where do his hands go in pictures 2, 3, 4, 5 & 6 while she sleeps?”

Ivanka Trump said that she has “no reason to doubt the victims’ accounts” in the Moore case, but she doesn’t feel the same about her dad’s accusers. And Bannon dismissed the report of Moore’s despicable behavior by saying that it was, just like Trump’s “Access Hollywood” remarks, first published in The Washington Post — which he calls “part of the apparatus of the Democratic Party.”

Are the liberals who now say Bill should have resigned because they want to clear the decks to better go after President Trump, thinking that sex may be a more effective weapon than Russia to bring him down? It’s easy to turn on the Clintons these days and treat them as collateral damage, the way the Clintons treated all those women who got tangled up with Bill.

Once more, politics is clouding the issue of sexual harassment. But hopefully this public trial, which is bringing to the dock men on both sides of the aisle, is too momentous to be diminished by politics.

As Senator Franken’s accuser, Leeann Tweeden, a Los Angeles radio newscaster, told CNN’s Jake Tapper: “When you’re sexually assaulted, it doesn’t matter if you’re a Republican or a Democrat. … The affiliation doesn’t matter, right?”

“That’s not,” she correctly concluded, “the point here.”
 

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Margaret Wente, Jonah Goldberg and many others have written about the Clinton factor in this new Harvey Weinstein era. There seems to be broad agreement that much of the reassessment of Bill Clinton's sexual violations has come about because the Clintons are a politically spent force.

Thank goodness the Clintons' time has finally ended.
 

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What do you suppose Obama will do with the $400k he got from Harvey?
 

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You Trumpkins really do have a secret crush on Hillary, don't you?
Otherwise why would you keep writing article thread after thread about her?
 

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I the Hillary Effect the term describing an unhealthy obsession with a person who is NOT President?
 

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Yes, but there is a lot more to come from Trump's sexual gropings. These women are becoming more vocal. In plain Clinton got impeached after a long and full enquiry. Trump's encounters are no different with the thirteen women. He should be held accountable for his misdeeds, and hope there is a full investigation into it. The Hillary "Effect" is water under the bridge. The Trump "effect" still has to play out.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/17/politics/trump-accusations-white-house/index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donal...ions#Accusations_filed_in_court_against_Trump
 

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Yes, but there is a lot more to come from Trump's sexual gropings. These women are becoming more vocal. In plain Clinton got impeached after a long and full enquiry. Trump's encounters are no different with the thirteen women. He should be held accountable for his misdeeds, and hope there is a full investigation into it. The Hillary "Effect" is water under the bridge. The Trump "effect" still has to play out.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/17/politics/trump-accusations-white-house/index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donal...ions#Accusations_filed_in_court_against_Trump
Clinton was impeached and disbarred for perjury that began with a corrupt land deal.
 

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Clinton was impeached and disbarred for perjury that began with a corrupt land deal.
Clinton was impeached for lying about a consensual blowjob.

Trump has been accused of sexual assault by 16 women.

Time to implement the same standards for both?
 

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Clinton was impeached for lying about a consensual blowjob.

Trump has been accused of sexual assault by 16 women.

Time to implement the same standards for both?
Clinton was impeached and disbarred for perjury, which is a felony. He suffered no legal ramifications for his decades of bad behavior.
 

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Insightful piece.
 

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The perjury occurred in a civil case about actions that were not consensual. Clinton ultimately settled out of court when it started to look like he would lose.
In other words, Clinton was turfed for way less then Trump has done.
2018 will be fun.
 

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In other words, Clinton was turfed for way less then Trump has done.
2018 will be fun.
There isn’t any proof Trump has done anything, that hasn’t slowed down the mouth breathers in the Dem party for calling for impeachment.
 

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There isn’t any proof Trump has done anything, that hasn’t slowed down the mouth breathers in the Dem party for calling for impeachment.
Trump bragged about sexually assaulting married women while he was married himself.... he's an admitted pussy grabber.... doesn't even ask.... just moves in.
This thread is pointing out the Clinton zit, while ignoring the Trump 4th stage cancer.
 
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