Lets see
The education system exists for the benefit of the students
Yet you only seem concerned about the union
These kids are getting fucked over by the union and that does not concern you?
College teachers strike and the Wynne Government.
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The education system exists for the benefit of the students
Yet you only seem concerned about the union
These kids are getting fucked over by the union and that does not concern you?
These kids are getting fucked over by schools that won't pay a living wage, driving the good teachers away and leaving those who are happy to get by on $20-30k.
You mean less than half. And ya the part-timers put in a few hours a week for 30k extra per year on top of their other job. Its called double-dipping right skippy.
If you read back through the thread, you've already been told that they do not have another job.
The sad parade of the usual Terb Righties continues. Usual guys. Usual comments. Don't even bother to read the material provided.
Actually they are. They do cutting edge work on educational issues, such as how to teach students with adult literacy problems.
Why is it an "abuse of power" and how do they "participate politically with the same people they are negotiating with"?
Give me your explanation for this.
Oh really, whose problem is that, the manager at Wendys, pharmacy technician, doctor, engineer, mechanic, the plummer cleaning the shit of Wynne's kohler.
I see so sit on your ass at home and wait to get a job nobody needs offline
They contribute to canidates they end up negotiating with. They endorse canidates they end up negotiating with.
In many areas of study there are private sector opportunities. Just because you’ve trained for something doesn’t give you a right to a lifestyle.
I want a guaranteed good life style for the rest of my life,...to watch fish lay eggs,... but only in the summer,...
Ah,... but you see OBT,... that is the mind set of union members,... has NOTHING to do with the reality.
Much the same with the expected paid for life retirement,... and when shit happens,.... I'm now expected to feel sorry,... ???
Sorry, FAST, but you'd need to learn to use punctuation correctly first.
And don't take any writing lessons from larue, that won't get you any further.
Everybody does that.
And in this case, the Wynn government has basically given them zilch. In fact, they are being ordered back to work as of tomorrow.
Huh??? What are you trying to say?
In any event, try reading what's already been posted by people with actual knowledge of the situation. They can't get another job because the hours in this job make it impossible.
Again guys, this has just become a rant fest for union haters. None of you are making comments that are relevant to the situation. The thread has just deteriorated into the usual Terb hate-fest.
Then find a different job and quit the part time teaching
The taxpayer certainly does not owe anyone a certain standard of living
Especially for casual or part time labor
That is garbage.
every time a valid argument is made which does not reaffirm a union members entitlement, you loonies call "union haters"
Is it beyond your capabilities to wonder why many do not view unions favourably?
There have been more than enough valid points made here to question this strike action
The responses from the left have no basis in either the students best interest or the taxpayers best interest.
Remind us again who should be the primary beneficiary of Ontario's Education System
a) The students
or
b) teachers
A few comments that are relevant, to digest.
The union wants to tell the employer who they can and cannot hire.
The union wants more more more for "full time" teachers,... and at the same time wanting less contract teachers,... seems economics and logic is not on the curriculum any more.
Could also explain why teachers want to control what is taught.
A certain category of recent university grads believe that employment can be guaranteed, .
The teachers "hate-fest" as you put it,... will typically come from those who have a negative effect on the GDP of the country,... but you shouldn't be too hard on yourself.
Great plan for the kids.
Teachers will first look for high school or elementary positions and only then, if they can't get a job at Starbucks, will they look to teach at a college.
That'll really fix our education system.
WHAT education system??!! Who TF will bother getting a PH.D. if this is the way they're treated??!!
Much of the current structure of post secondary education is currently being set up to implode. It's bad enough having student debt in ON. Imagine having the amount of student debt that getting a PH.D entails in the USA. No one will take these programs if they create lifelong debt and lead to no employment opportunities. So future "higher education" is going to consist of kids taking online Intro courses taught by grad students to learn computer programing 101 and marketing 101, so they can try and get employed and avoid falling into hopeless debt.
Presumably we see ourselves as a cultured and intellectually sophisticated society with sufficient grace and affluence to train and appropriately employ intelligent young people who have the skills and application to master purely academic subjects and excel in them. But what is actually happening to these same young intellectuals makes a mockery of these supposed values.
Well put, student debt is ridiculous now.
We should all send our kids to university in Argentina, where its free for foreigners.
Rolling Stone talks about student debt.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-the-great-college-loan-swindle-w510880
