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The LoLRus

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Does anyone understand what the hell is going on here, cause I dont:

http://www.cp24.com/news/big-change...treet-as-pilot-project-begins-today-1.3674408

Motorists can expect some big changes on a busy downtown route starting today as the King Street pilot project officially begins.

As part of the one-year pilot project, all traffic on King Street, between Jarvis and Bathurst streets, is only permitted to travel one block before being forced to turn right.
Cars travelling eastbound on King Street must turn at Bathurst Street and vehicles traveling westbound must turn when approaching Jarvis Street.

The city has removed all on-street parking spaces between Bathurst and Jarvis streets.
Drivers will also be prohibited from turning left at signalized intersections along King Street during the pilot.


Here is a list of traffic changes during the pilot:

• Vehicles travelling eastbound on King Street must turn left or right at Bathurst Street. Vehicles travelling westbound must turn left or right at Jarvis Street.

• Through vehicular traffic should use other parallel east-west streets: Richmond, Adelaide, Wellington, Front, Queens Quay, Lake Shore and the Gardiner Expressway, and then access King Street via north-south streets.

• TTC vehicles, City of Toronto emergency and maintenance vehicles, and cyclists are allowed to travel through the pilot area at all times of the day.

• Space for cyclists is provided in the curb lane but no dedicated bike lanes are provided.

• Between 10 p.m. and 5 a.m., City-licensed taxis are allowed to travel straight through the pilot area. At other times, taxis must follow the same rules as other traffic.

• There is no on-street parking on King Street in the pilot area. On-street parking is available on some nearby streets and there are several off-street parking lots near King Street.

• While travelling on King Street, left turns at signalized intersections (turning off King Street) are not allowed.

• Current turning restrictions for accessing King Street will remain in place (where left turns onto King Street were previously permitted, they will continue to be permitted).

• Existing permitted movements and restrictions on north-south streets will continue after the launch of the King Street Transit Pilot. For example, vehicle traffic on all north-south streets in the pilot area (such as Bathurst, Spadina, John, University and Yonge) can still cross King Street
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If I understand it correctly you can only travel 1 block on King st. in either direction, and then you have to turn right and abandon the street. No more left turns allowed.

But thats probably all wrong
 
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What the city is doing is taking one major street and forcing all the non transit vehicles to use other routes- increasing the congestion there, without making any other changes. All vehicles will be required to make a right turn on the first intersection they encounter, thus clogging all the intersections North of King. This will not be a great issue outside the peak hours, but will be a nightmare during the busy times. Stupid idea.
 
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The LoLRus said:
If I understand it correctly you can only travel 1 block on King st. in either direction, and then you have to turn right and abandon the street. No more left turns allowed.

But thats probably all wrong
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You would be correct. No left turns (which is a good idea regardless) off King or straight through traffic either. Taxis have an exception between 10 pm and 5 am. Not so for Uber.
 
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The article makes it clear they are trying to force more people to use public transit. Same thing is happening here in Hamilton only it’s taking 4 lane streets and turning them into 2 lane streets to accommodate bike lanes which I never see anyone using. Rush hour traffic in downtown Hamilton is becoming unbearable.
 
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jcpro said:
What the city is doing is taking one major street and forcing all the non transit vehicles to use other routes- increasing the congestion there, without making any other changes. All vehicles will be required to make a right turn on the first intersection they encounter, thus clogging all the intersections North of King. This will not be a great issue outside the peak hours, but will be a nightmare during the busy times. Stupid idea.
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Might as well just close the street with exception of TTC.
 
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jcpro said:
What the city is doing is taking one major street and forcing all the non transit vehicles to use other routes- increasing the congestion there, without making any other changes. All vehicles will be required to make a right turn on the first intersection they encounter, thus clogging all the intersections North of King. This will not be a great issue outside the peak hours, but will be a nightmare during the busy times. Stupid idea
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I guarantee you it was a Liberal who came up with this genius idea. GUARANTEED!!!

And when the whole plan turns into a traffic disaster they wont change it back to its original state, because they're too puffed up with pride and wont admit they've been wrong
 
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black booty lover said:
Might as well just close the street with exception of TTC.
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That's the point but the right turns allow for deliveries to businesses.

"liberals" would have just banned cars downtown. Tory has given the people to decide what makes sense for them, essentially an economics decision for people. At what point does it make more sense to take transit over driving? I believe King Street is the busiest surface route for transit and a good percentage of people working and living along King already take transit as their main option. Richmond and Adelaide were designed one way to be a primary option for cars.
 
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It's funny how Toronto is averaging 4.5% population growth per year yet people think we can just keep on adding cars to the roads.

Newsflash!!! The future is public transit, not cars.

And I drive so I endure the frustration myself.
 
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Its not a war on cars.
Its the realization that transit already moves 65,000 people on King and only 20,000 cars.

Since the TTC has been told to build a pointless subway to Scarborough and still subsidizes low use Sheppard subway they don't have the resources to build a downtown relief line.
That would have solved the issue underground (with years of construction, of course). So without that option turning King into a transit zone makes sense. After all, if you're driving across town you're more likely to take Adelaide or Richmond, they are so much faster then King any time of the day.

We'll see how it goes.
 
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King Street is highly congested several hours a day. Outside of rush hours, King Street was my best and quickest route to and from DT by car from the west end. The capacity for cars on Richmond and Adelaide has previously been neutered.

The street car problem on King was a lack of sufficient street cars (often you have to wait 4/5 street cars to get a spot standing just inside the door) and traffic congestion on the tracks.

The primary problem could have been solved by adding more street cars and making the track lane solely for street cars during rush hours or even the whole business day. Left hand turns are already highly restricted, but maybe a couple more could be eliminated. The rest of the day King Street was a fast way by car to get in and out of downtown and still should be.

But this is a war on cars. The cars lost big time on the King Street Project. No one wants to share the roads. There is no thought of trying to get along and try to make things work for the greatest good for all, regardless of how you get around. Traffic flows are very different during any 24 hour period, but no thought is given to trying to utilize different approaches during the day in major route changes.

Unfortunately our City has had terrible leadership - and I am talking about the entire council - for decades.

The Relief Line should have been the subway transit priority. This would have been a huge win for public transit and for people using King Street. But we got the Scarborough Line instead. People do not seem to understand that the City's debt capacity is now tied up - and used up - on the funding for Scarborough Line. The start of the Relief Line is at least a decade away. Maybe longer.

On King Street, I walk, cycle, street car and drive.

Regrettably, this City's traffic is just a mess that gets worse day by day.
 
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Keebler Elf said:
It's funny how Toronto is averaging 4.5% population growth per year yet people think we can just keep on adding cars to the roads.

Newsflash!!! The future is public transit, not cars.

And I drive so I endure the frustration myself.
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Ok, that's fine. Where is that public transit? We have a new, not even a subway line, on Eglinton. Every transportation proposal is talked to death, but almost never build. The street cars have no business being on King St, unless those are above or below ground. The 60k number is impressive compared to the 20k cars, but even that is dishonest since they only counted cars and not people in those vehicles. Since I came back, I've worked on the St. Claire mess and the Queen's Quay one. Both were badly conceived and badly planned ideas that actually increased congestion. And now, all the precious time is waisted on talking about bicycles. Well, I did run some errands downtown, yesterday. There were no bicycles on the streets nor were they there the day before. Surprise! Canada has seasons. Meanwhile, Etobicoke, Scarborough, majority of North York have no access to rapid transit- not to mention Mississauga and other suburbs. And it's not going to happen in our lifetimes.
 
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Doug Ford will be your new mayor. First order of business will be to hire someone like Harry Schlange as City manager and cut all the management fat at City Hall. They have supervisors, managers and even directors managing less than 5 staff under them. Plus, managers and directors make anywhere between $100,000 to $200,000. Does this sound right to you?
 
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Will northbound/southbound traffic from streets between Jarvis and Bathurst be allowed to turn onto King (then I assume forced to turn right at the next intersection) or will they have to drive straight through?
 
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jcpro said:
The street cars have no business being on King St, unless those are above or below ground
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Streetcars have no business being in Toronto to begin with. They take up 2 lanes every time they have to let off passengers. Yes they look nice, but thats about it
 
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