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Quebec BILL 62 - bans "face covering" in public services

Quebec bans "face covering" in public services

  • I agree with Quebecs' ban on "face covering"

    Votes: 22 64.7%
  • I disagree with Quebec's ban on "face covering"

    Votes: 10 29.4%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 2 5.9%

  • Total voters
    34
  • Poll closed .

xmontrealer

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Quebec has passed a new law, Bill 62, that bans face covering in public services, including acting as a government employee who deals with the public, all the way to ordinary citizens who use government and public services such as hospitals, libraries, and buses, etc.

I for one find it abhorrent and offensive to Muslims in general and especially Muslim women who do cover their faces when in public.

I'm surprised this topic has not already come up, as far as I can tell, in this forum. Hence my poll.
 

LickingGravity

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Quebec is the proof that traditionally Liberal/NDP provinces can be just a racist as anybody - in this case more so.
 

FAST

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Quebec is the proof that traditionally Liberal/NDP provinces can be just a racist as anybody - in this case more so.
Yep,... why would anybody expect to have to deal with,..."including acting as a government employee who deals with the public",... actually being able to see their face.

I mean come on,... that's just a ridiculous expectation.

I think cops should be able to wear a face covering,... to protect them from prosecution when they step out side the law.
 

oldjones

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Yep,... why would anybody expect to have to deal with,..."including acting as a government employee who deals with the public",... actually being able to see their face.

I mean come on,... that's just a ridiculous expectation.

I think cops should be able to wear a face covering,... to protect them from prosecution when they step out side the law.
Like their ETF and SWAT teams already do?
 

jcpro

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Remember Harper and the unveiling proposal for the citizenship ceremony? Where are the critics, now? Is Justin so quiet because the Quebec votes are on the line? English islamophobia-bad. French islamophobia-good.
 

oldjones

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Remember Harper and the unveiling proposal for the citizenship ceremony? Where are the critics, now? Is Justin so quiet because the Quebec votes are on the line? English islamophobia-bad. French islamophobia-good.
It's a bigotted Quebec law, and it's now passed. Go on MERB if you're lonely and needing someone to shout down. The next time it'll be directly relevant here will be when it hits the Supreme Court.

Until then it is the law. There, not here in liberty-loving Ontario.
 

james t kirk

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Quebec is the proof that traditionally Liberal/NDP provinces can be just a racist as anybody - in this case more so.
I would argue that they are true to their liberal ideals by fighting the oppression of women by a stone age religion that treats women as property.

I find it amazing that feminists here in the west will give Islam a pass on how it treats women and girls. (Never mind homosexuals.)

So good for Quebec.

I'm tired of the notion that religion or culture should somehow trump the law and or Canadian secularism.
 

james t kirk

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If you're into Rex Murphy (and I am as he's an amazing wordsmith), this clip is worth watching.

As usual, Rex hits the nail right on the head about this issue and reflects exactly what I feel.

If I recall correctly there was a poll done back when Harper brought the issue of the niqab to the forefront. Something like 80 percent of Canadians feel that banning the niquab or burka during a citizenship ceremony is justified and over 90 percent in Quebec feel the same way. So the elites can bray away about it all they want, I don't see this as a battle that too many people are going to jump on the bandwagon about.
 

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I guess civil servants working outside in the winter will no longer be allowed to wear balaclavas and construction workers won't be allowed face masks. I feel sorry for those police on traffic duty, garbage truck workers, etc. who will have to deal with frost bite on their face and construction workers developing lung conditions.
 

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I guess civil servants working outside in the winter will no longer be allowed to wear balaclavas and construction workers won't be allowed face masks. I feel sorry for those police on traffic duty, garbage truck workers, etc. who will have to deal with frost bite on their face and construction workers developing lung conditions.
Yep,... I remember last winter I had a long conversations with a "garbage truck workers".

You are missing the point,... of some civil servant who job is solely communicating with the public in a comfortable environment,... with no need to cover their face,... except to satisfy some oppressive culture.
 

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Remember Harper and the unveiling proposal for the citizenship ceremony? Where are the critics, now? Is Justin so quiet because the Quebec votes are on the line? English islamophobia-bad. French islamophobia-good.
The French culture does tend to hold women in a much higher esteem,... than those backward archaic cultures who oppress women.

Good on Quebec.
 

bver_hunter

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How are you going to free those oppressed women by banning them from buses?
Saudi Arabia relaxed a law that will come into force next year that allows women to drive. At least it is a step forward by a repressive regime. Here in Quebec they have decided to go backwards by restricting these women from public places. It is purely to do with religion that they have their faces covered. Thankfully, ALL THE THREE major political parties in Ontario denounced this bigotry that was brought in for purely political reasons. They compare the wearing of face coverings to the extremist demonstrators from either side of the spectrum that cover their faces during demonstrations. If 2000 of these demonstrators wear these coverings are they going to arrest all of them? Off course the usual anti-Muslim ones are celebrating.
 

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I would argue that they are true to their liberal ideals by fighting the oppression of women by a stone age religion that treats women as property.

I find it amazing that feminists here in the west will give Islam a pass on how it treats women and girls. (Never mind homosexuals.)

So good for Quebec.

I'm tired of the notion that religion or culture should somehow trump the law and or Canadian secularism.
The story that the niqab and veil are anti-women is a western invention. From what I've read its not mandated by religion, its a choice.
So all you're doing is making it harder for people to follow their chose religion as they see fit.

Personally, I think all religions are pretty stupid, but targeting any particular one as any more stupid then any others isn't worth it.
Shall we start talking about Jehovah's witnesses, their crazy ponzi scheme for heaven and the risk they put their kids because of their transfusion beliefs?
 

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It looks that France and Quebec aren't doing better job of integrating minorities compared to the rest of Canada and other English speaking countries. Ethnic tensions are more common in France and the failed laws that Quebec want to import from France didn't help minorities assimilate but isolated them further. Why in Canada should we follow models that failed in other countries?
PS: At least here in Canada we have a supreme court that sooner or later would remind Quebecers that the laws applicable in France don't necessarily apply here in Canada because both countries have different constitutions.
That is not a response to my post below.
If you are not going to respond to a post,... don't quote the post,... is that too complicated for you,... ???

Originally Posted by FAST

The French culture does tend to hold women in a much higher esteem,... than those backward archaic cultures who oppress women.

Good on Quebec.
By your non response,... makes it look like you have no problems with backward cultures oppressing women.

But you are partially correct,...it does look like people from countries of backward cultures,... do have a problem integrating into non oppressive societies.
 

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It's a bigotted Quebec law, and it's now passed. Go on MERB if you're lonely and needing someone to shout down. The next time it'll be directly relevant here will be when it hits the Supreme Court.

Until then it is the law. There, not here in liberty-loving Ontario.
PS: At least here in Canada we have a supreme court that sooner or later would remind Quebecers that the laws applicable in France don't necessarily apply here in Canada because both countries have different constitutions.


When did Muslim become a race!!
Law is not racist ... It a great law! This religious neutrality law is overdue!! I love Quebec for doing it! They need to protect the Quebec culture!
I was born in Quebec, but live in Toronto! I am a visible minority!

You know the best part of this law ! If it goes to the Supreme Court of Canada and if the court rule it unconstitutional and says it illegal and violate Human right and the charter rights!
Quebec can use their QUEBEC’S CONSTITUTIONAL VETO:" ("notwithstanding clause")
to override the Supreme Court of Canada verdict! LOL!!!
That mean the law stay and stand!


It is commonly known as the notwithstanding clause (or la clause dérogatoire in French), or as the override power, and it allows Parliament or provincial legislatures to override certain portions of the Charter. It was, and continues to be, perhaps the most controversial provision of the Charter.

They used before the override charter to protect the French language! I know I from Quebec!
I got pissed at the Quebec government because That mean if. I wanted to educated my child to English school or go to English school because of BILL 101. Or hang my business sign in English ..it would be illegal ! I was mad at Quebec Govertment for using it ,but now I realized they need it to protect the Quebec / French culture! And I agree with it!!


I now loved the the Quebec notwithstanding clause!! By the way all the provinces in Canada have the nonwithstanding clause they can use to override the Canadian charter of rights! We can't have Quebec or Canada become like Denmark or Sweden where sharia law is practice there in some Muslim neigherhood!
 

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I have to agree with this statement... IMO the muslim religion treats their woman as property and if they do not do as their told or what is expected of them they are killed.
For example : the teenage girl in Mississauga who was killed by her father for not wearing the hijab .

A girl went to school and took off her hijab - she had told her father before she didn't want to wear it because she wanted to fit in and learn about the Canadian culture while experiencing our customs and traditions and he told her she had to wear it or their would be consequences.

While I believe everyone has a right to believe in whatever religion they want - I also believe that our Canadian laws & customs should be respected . Sometimes immigrants ( I'm referring to all immigrants - not just muslims) come to Canada and try to enforce their rules/ customs while neglecting ours and trying to change our ways.

In a way this is good because well - we are used to seeing peoples faces.
This is bad because - many people will view it as racist but in reality the government has to take precautions with everything that is going on in the world right now.

I would argue that they are true to their liberal ideals by fighting the oppression of women by a stone age religion that treats women as property.

I find it amazing that feminists here in the west will give Islam a pass on how it treats women and girls. (Never mind homosexuals.)

So good for Quebec.

I'm tired of the notion that religion or culture should somehow trump the law and or Canadian secularism.
 

oldjones

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Yep,... I remember last winter I had a long conversations with a "garbage truck workers".

You are missing the point,... of some civil servant who job is solely communicating with the public in a comfortable environment,... with no need to cover their face,... except to satisfy some oppressive culture.
If the law dealt only with civil servants showing their faces to the public they serve it would be pretty much unobjectionable. But prohibiting a woman from riding a bus because she's veiled? Or wearing a mask because of smog? Or because she doesn't want to spread her flu? C'mon.

There is no public purpose served by such a prohibition, only low prejudice.
 
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