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Quebec BILL 62 - bans "face covering" in public services

Quebec bans "face covering" in public services

  • I agree with Quebecs' ban on "face covering"

    Votes: 22 64.7%
  • I disagree with Quebec's ban on "face covering"

    Votes: 10 29.4%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 2 5.9%

  • Total voters
    34
  • Poll closed .

basketcase

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Sharia law in Canada? Yes. The province of Ontario has authorized the use of sharia law in civil arbitrations, if both parties consent. ....
First off, religious arbitration for family matters is an old concept in Canada. Christians and Jews were using it for years.

More importantly it was banned in Ontario in 2005 (your article is from 2004)
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...e1131070/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

When you google a news article, try looking at the publishing date.
 

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And how often has this happened?
Bottom line Sikh extremist haven't been killing Christian or in the mainstream media talking about Sikh killing nonmuslim believer or any Muslim either !

It only happen once in Canada Sikh terrorism! Importantly they never killed any quebecer!
 

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Nonsense. It doesn't make sense and it has nothing to do with Bill 62.
Read the law, it's easy to find and very short.
Typically snowflake respond ...trying to turn a blind eye to the threat of sharia law / Islam with your double standing

I read it ...here is it!

Quebec's new law on religious neutrality prohibits anyone from receiving or giving public services with their face covered, making it the first place in North America to effectively ban face veils in public places.

Bill 62, passed Wednesday in Quebec's National Assembly, means Muslim women who wear a niqab or burka have to uncover their faces to access health services, attend school, and ride a public bus or Metro.

Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard has defended the bill, saying it's necessary for "communication, identification and safety" reasons.

Quebec is not the only place in the world to restrict face coverings in the public sphere.

Here's where some of the laws regulating face coverings, and religious attire, have also been passed.

France

France introduced a law banning face coverings that conceal peoples' identities in public in 2010.

Though it doesn't explicitly mention religion, critics say the legislation targets Muslim women, who have been barred from public places like streets and parks while wearing niqabs.

The debate in France pits religious freedom against laïcité​, or secularism, which holds a venerated place in French society.

The European Court of Human Rights upheld the ban in 2014. It ruled it was proportional because its aim was to preserve the idea of "living together."

Last year, a handful of French mayors passed measures banning the "burkini," a full-body swimsuit worn by some Muslim women at the beach.

The issue garnered international attention after a photo showing French police forcing a Muslim woman to remove her long-sleeved covering on a beach went viral.

France's top administrative court suspended the "burkini ban," as the measures became known, last year, calling it an "attack on fundamental rights".


Exactly it all about perception!! This is really about protecting woman rights! And we know how evil and medeival practice and what the burka / Niqab represented!
 

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Not an MP as you said, although she had been Ontario's A-G. According to the Globe and Mail: She "was appointed last June [2004] to study the issue after the Islamic Institute for Civil Justice said it would, in effect, establish a sharia court in Ontario to handle family matters". She said ""We're being very clear: This is not sharia law," and the Muslim Canadian Congress disowned her report and proposals.

So who was "the member of parliament who suggested introducing Sharia law in Ontario" you were talking about?
 

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Bottom line Sikh extremist haven't been killing Christian or in the mainstream media killing nonmuslim believer or any Muslim either !

It only happen once in Canada Sikh terrorism! Importantly they never killed any quebecer!
So you admit the terrorism angle has absolutely nothing to do with the Quebec law.

Are you going to admit that you are 13 years out of date about Sharia Law in Ontario?
 

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So you admit the terrorism angle has absolutely nothing to do with the Quebec law.

Are you going to admit that you are 13 years out of date about Sharia Law in Ontario?
Quebec law is a wonderful law!! All of Canada should have one too! PLus USA too!
This law is all about protecting Quebec culture and preventing Islamization of Quebec .. We just have to look at Europe (Sweden/ Denmark, etc) how Muslim trying to bring their culture and their medeival practice of sharia law into western society ! Like in Canada or in Quebec!! It too late for Europe!!
This law is more about preventable measure !! WOman rights should be whole a higher regard then reglious right that violated human rights such as woman rights!

So bottom line if Muslim not comfortable with Western societies on woman rights, then please don't come to Canada and practice your midevial practices culture that violates woman rights!

Stay the fuck out of Canada and USA go back where you come from! GO Back to your countries who belief in sharia law!
 

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Quebec law is a wonderful law!! All of Canada should have one too! PLus USA too!
This law is all about protecting Quebec culture and preventing Islamization of Quebec .. We just have to look at Europe (Sweden/ Denmark, etc) how Muslim trying to bring their culture and their medeival practice of sharia law into western society ! Like in Canada or in Quebec!! It too late for Europe!!
This law is more about preventable measure !! WOman rights should be whole a higher regard then reglious right that violated human rights such as woman rights!
Nice of you to run away from facts again to just promote your own opinion. There is no "Islamization" of Quebec or Canada.

And it is funny that while demanding Canada protect their minority rights, Quebec insists on denying rights to their minorities in the stupidest possible way.
 

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Nice of you to run away from facts again to just promote your own opinion. There is no "Islamization" of Quebec or Canada.

And it is funny that while demanding Canada protect their minority rights, Quebec insists on denying rights to their minorities in the stupidest possible way.
When religious's rights override woman right's ... I got a huge problem with it! EXample Sharia law with their Niquab, Burqua !
That why I prefer this law !! It reglious neutrality !
This is all about protecting Quebec culture .. If you don't like it then go live in Saudia Arabia, or any countries who believe in sharia law ! And holds sharia law as supreme law of the land!

Tell that to Europe and ask anyone about Islamization of Europe or Sweden or Denmark!
 

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Let me clarify this. Yes the majority vote new laws but those laws aren't supposed to violate the Charter that include protections for minorities. So even if law is democratically voted by the majority it can be struck down by courts if it was found to violate the rights of minorities.
THe nonwithstanding clause in the Canada Constiution which allow the goverment can envoked to overturn the court decision ! It can overturn the Supreme Court decision !! I love the notwithstanding clause! It have been used once in Quebec to override the Canadian Charter of rights & freedom!

It was use once for to overturn the Canada Supreme Court decision on Bill 101 ( Quebec language law).

It a beautiful law in the constitution brought in by Quebec !! That why I see bill 62 will stand and be enforced and cannot be overturn by the court because trying to overturn the law they will definitely lose if the Quebec decided to invoked the nonwithstanding clauses!

Viva Quebec!!
Long live bill 62!!
 

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When religious's rights override woman right's ......
And your response is to override women's rights by denying them the chance to follow their beliefs. Women must be so glad they have you defending them.

And as I said, it can not be religiously neutral unless they actually prosecute people with ski masks, breathing masks, or overgrown beards.
 

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And your response is to override women's rights by denying them the chance to follow their beliefs. Women must be so glad they have you defending them.
That is about religious rights vs women's rights!
Which is more important !
And of course Quebec goverment says according to this bill 62 that woman right must always be
And as I said, it can not be religious neutral unless they actually prosecute people with ski masks, breathing masks, or overgrown beards.
My response is to override religious rights !!
Thus is about gender rights ( woman's rights) over religious rights .

So whose rights take precedence? Religious rights vs women's rights
I am...
I saying got a real problem with religious rights that override woman rights!!

What makes folks like this think that their religious rights take precedence over the rights (religious and secular) of all the rest of us? What makes them think that there isn’t some other religious group that will come along and insist their rights have precedence over her rights?


Got no problem with that also if they prosecute people with ski mask breathing masks too!
And you know what the Federal goverment / Justin Truedeau will do nothing when come to Quebec because give they gave him the majority seat to form the government!
 

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Sikhs extremists also killed hundreds of Canadians in 1985. That was the largest mass murder in Canadian history. Also observant Sikhs wear distinctive religious dress (turbans)
Quebecer hates the turbans but they will live with it! But they cannot stand the Niquab or burqak!


I know they killed hundreds of Canadian in the airplane bombing( " Air India" ) ... Bottom line they were terrorist fighting against the India goverments!
They weren't fighting the Canadian goverments and there are not killing anymore Canadian now at the present time! So it not a problem anymore at the moment!
They Muslim are killing nonbeliever everywhere in Paris , Nice, England , USA. They also inspire Canadian homegrown terrorist who want to killed Canadians and they all have things in common they are believer of sharia law and they are Muslim! This is about protecting quebec culture and western values on woman rights! This is about preventing Islamization of Quebec ! This is about also stopping terrorism since all extreme muslim terrorism belief in sharia law and their Niquab / burka !
 

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I agree. But you didn't answer my question: How are you going to protect their rights by banning them from public transit?
Would you agree with the law if it only applied to civil servants that dealt with the public,... ???

And if no,... why not,... ???
 

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My response is to override religious rights !!
Thus is about gender rights ( woman's rights) over religious rights .

So whose rights take precedence? Religious rights vs women's rights
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There is no conflict. In Canada, a woman has the right to chose their own religious practices and many women choose to be observant Muslims. That is except for in Quebec now.

And there is no Sharia in Canada. You quoted an article from 13 years ago that is 12 years out of date.
 

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Quebecer hates the turbans but they will live with it! But they cannot stand the Niquab or burqak!


I know they killed hundreds of Canadian in the airplane bombing( " Air India" ) ... Bottom line they were terrorist fighting against the India goverments!
They weren't fighting the Canadian goverments and there are not killing anymore Canadian now at the present time! So it not a problem anymore at the moment!
They Muslim are killing nonbeliever everywhere in Paris , Nice, England , USA. They also inspire Canadian homegrown terrorist who want to killed Canadians and they all have things in common they are believer of sharia law and they are Muslim! This is about protecting quebec culture and western values on woman rights! This is about preventing Islamization of Quebec ! This is about also stopping terrorism since all extreme muslim terrorism belief in sharia law and their Niquab / burka !
How many Muslim terrorists committed any mass killings in Quebec? Nil, zero.
How many Racists committed mass killings on Muslims in a Quebec mosque? 6
So the niquab was the reason that the Muslims were killed in the mosque from the terrorist killings in that mosque?
No wonder the ultra right racists organisations are on the rise in that Province and are targeting mosques with their hate crimes.
 

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How many Muslim terrorists committed any mass killings in Quebec? Nil, zero.
How many Racists committed mass killings on Muslims in a Quebec mosque? 6
So the niquab was the reason that the Muslims were killed in the mosque from the terrorist killings in that mosque?
No wonder the ultra right racists organisations are on the rise in that Province and are targeting mosques with their hate crimes.
Isn't the answer 1?

I think it's ridiculous to say someone cannot wear a niqab if they want to use the bus. I do think that any type of photo ID should require that the face is shown. It just seems like common sense to me

Quebec has been very protective of their culture for about 50 years now. The media did not have a problem with them when they were trying to protect themselves from the big bad "Anglais". It seems to be different now
 

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Isn't the answer 1?

I think it's ridiculous to say someone cannot wear a niqab if they want to use the bus. I do think that any type of photo ID should require that the face is shown. It just seems like common sense to me
Shouldn't you just be able to buy a ticket and get on?
Why do you need ID at all?
 
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