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bcd

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Some men feel superior when paying for women and feel as if they have the right to disrespect these beautiful young ladies, it's disgusting.
Agree.

...But - I do echo the sentiments about truth in advertising. I've often stated on here that I want to know EXACTLY what I'm getting in to with my money. So when you fuck around with photoshop and angles or when you post 5 year-old photos, I don't take to the deception very kindly. If we're talking a 10 pound difference or some airbrushed tattoos, I can deal. But if we're talking about a 50 pound difference? I'm out...
I don't know why the conversation morphed partly into truth in advertizing, bait and switch, whatever you want to call it, because brewwguy never indicated that in any way. In fact he indicated that he was very happy with the girl's appearance, body, shape whatever, even used the word perfection. Hmmm...play on words I wonder.
 

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I don't know why the conversation morphed partly into truth in advertizing, bait and switch, whatever you want to call it, because brewwguy never indicated that in any way. In fact he indicated that he was very happy with the girl's appearance, body, shape whatever, even used the word perfection. Hmmm...play on words I wonder.
I think that was my bad. I brought up the truth in advertising as a counter point to Jeffery. My impression is this "client" who made the comment was not doing so based on some feeling of false advertising. The way I read it, I assumed this client was a perhaps a regular of hers. I don't know why I thought that, but I did.

I think when we discuss things, such as weight, the automatic assumption is old or photoshop pics, so I guess that is why it went that way.

I do think the topic has removed the SP in his OP and now become generalized so that may have brought up the truth in advertising part of the discussion.

I apologize if I derailed the topic.
 

Jeffrey93

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it seems to me that Mr. Jeffery is a bit of a jaded sole based on his posts...
Jess ;-)
Jaded? ..Not at all

My MO is "value for $'s"

Very simple concept : client invest time & $'s, and therefore recieves agreed upon services ...a basic business transaction (albeit a pleasurable business transaction)

Regarding the original post :

Factoid - The SP should never talk about other clients, and Brewgut shouldve never entertained it.
 

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To be fair, I chimed in because I felt that no person deserves to be dehumanized for their appearance. If a girls advertises in a really false way, leave. If it's a slight embellishment, and you're attracted, stay. I am a big man who is attracted to slim-average 20 somethings because that is what I couldn't get without paying. If she's 32, still looks good, and rocks my world (i.e Baylee) I'm not complaining. If I'm looking for 34-24-34 and I get 36-26-26, great, but I was married to a BBW and I am NOT interested in any BBWs, even the smaller variety. I want the opposite of my ex. If the SP wants repeat business then honesty if the only way to go. There are a ton of quality BBW SPs on this forum who are well-reviewed. I'm glad that they make that known so that I don't book someone well-reviewed, but not a good match for me.

I think that was my bad. I brought up the truth in advertising as a counter point to Jeffery. My impression is this "client" who made the comment was not doing so based on some feeling of false advertising. The way I read it, I assumed this client was a perhaps a regular of hers. I don't know why I thought that, but I did.

I think when we discuss things, such as weight, the automatic assumption is old or photoshop pics, so I guess that is why it went that way.
To be fair, I also brought it up. I made the comment because I understood rejection based on size, yet I want the fantasy of a girl I couldn't have in my formative years. If the lady is slightly heavier, no big deal, but if she totally misrepresents herself, that's unacceptable. I chimed in because I thought it was even less acceptable to dehumanize another person based on her appearance. If you book a girl , and she is not as advertised, leave. The only reason to treat someone badly is if they have treated you badly. That was my point.

I do think the topic has removed the SP in his OP and now become generalized so that may have brought up the truth in advertising part of the discussion.

I apologize if I derailed the topic.
 

Jasmine Raine

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Jaded? ..Not at all

My MO is "value for $'s"

Very simple concept : client invest time & $'s, and therefore recieves agreed upon services ...a basic business transaction (albeit a pleasurable business transaction)

Regarding the original post :

Factoid - The SP should never talk about other clients, and Brewgut shouldve never entertained it.
I completely agree with a person ensuring they get the best value for their money. I also agree about the discussing other clients. I believe I said that above.

I guess where I believe we disagree is with what "value" actually is. Based on your posts, I got the impression that "value" to you would not include someone like me simply because of my age and/or size. "Why pay for a BBW when you pick up old fat chicks in any bar in the 'Shaw'" type attitude.

The only SPs that are of "value" are the ones you deem attractive, with menus you deem fulfilling enough, etc. Based on your posts, the only value any hooker has is what she sells. It is not even her personally that has value, it is her pussy and her mouth. Hookers have no relationship value outside of this business based on your posts in the other thread for example. You make quite a few statements that devalue both men and women all the time. Even if you simplify it later to something that seems justifiable like "value for $"

Naturally I assume you got those opinions based on some negative experiences in your life and therefore felt the opinions to be jaded. I apologize if I was wrong and you are just naturally this way.

Thank you for clarifying that for me.

To be fair, I chimed in because I felt that no person deserves to be dehumanized for their appearance. If a girls advertises in a really false way, leave. If it's a slight embellishment, and you're attracted, stay. I am a big man who is attracted to slim-average 20 somethings because that is what I couldn't get without paying. If she's 32, still looks good, and rocks my world (i.e Baylee) I'm not complaining. If I'm looking for 34-24-34 and I get 36-26-26, great, but I was married to a BBW and I am NOT interested in any BBWs, even the smaller variety. I want the opposite of my ex. If the SP wants repeat business then honesty if the only way to go. There are a ton of quality BBW SPs on this forum who are well-reviewed. I'm glad that they make that known so that I don't book someone well-reviewed, but not a good match for me.
100% agree. There is not point wasting anyones time/money, etc. Be honest. It is the respectful thing to do for both of you. I never understood women who get upset if a man walks at the door when these women are using pics that are simply not representative of them.

But getting back to the orginal thread, some guys [I will add gals as well] are dicks! I think we can all agree there. :wink:
 
This is turning into a pretty good conversation. Thanks Sinnamon and Jessica for posting to get a perspective from the other side of the fence.

I've seen it mentioned a couple times now that Sp's shouldn't be discussing other clients... I've only seen a small handful so far but all except maybe one has. One I can't remember specifically if she did but that would make it 100% if she did - which I think she did. I don't know if I see a specific problem with this. If they told me anything identifying about said client then yes that would be a big problem but talking about some random guy she saw sometime somewhere? I consider myself a nice guy and easy to talk to and I always make an effort to try to be that guy - can't say I know for sure if I'm successful - but I try. I also try to get conversation started. I of course don't ask about these things but if the SP brings it up and feels comfortable talking to me about it then I'm not going to turn her away. Yes she absolutely should talk to her peers in the industry for guidance as Jessica mentioned but I suspect asking for a point of view from from a client they trust can offer some insight they can't get anywhere else.

Jessica I'm curious about your comment using this a sob story for financial gain. I suppose it's possible she is fishing for compliments telling me about a bad client that insulted her but beyond that her rates haven't changed so long as I've known her so I'm not following your argument.

Take care,
Breww
I would personally feel a bit complimented. She might see you as a friend or a nice person. You must treat her like she's a human being and she feel like she can open up to you. You can really take that anyway you want. If someone like Jeffrey were to come in with a chip on his shoulder and an attitude (clearly he does) he probably wouldn't get the same experience as you would. You can really tell when a guy is a jerk and thinks you owe them everything because they handed you some money. Those are guys that make the job suck and I personally never want to see them again and I've handed them their money back on a few occasions and sent them out the door. That's not everyone though. The real jerks make it hard for us to do our jobs. Emotionally it takes it's toll. If every guy treated us with respect and like we were just normal women there would be more providers and we probably wouldn't charge so much. The truth is, that while the good clients outweigh the bad, the bad clients are really awful. The guys like Jefferey, who see us as a commodity. Like we're a product to purchase, use and disgard, abuse and beat down verbally. These guys have the attitude that we are human garbage and because they're paying us, they can treat us however they want.

It is a difficult job. The appointment itself isn't the hard part. It's answering emails from jerks and putting up with bad clients. For the most part, escorts keep their job a secret and they have no outlet. No one to reach out to. This isn't the place to do it and clients usually have no real insight into the problem but she might not have anyone to talk to.

I belong to a few very secret groups that are my life line. We complain about all of the same problems and we support each other. I went through years of isolation and just feeling completely alone. I had friends in the industry who only stayed for a little bit but eventually couldn't take the abuse anymore and they moved on. They would rather work a 9 to 5 and take a huge pay cut than put up with all the nasty, disgusting behavior from some of the people who would contact them.

I've vented here in the past and been told not to talk about clients and been victim blamed, told to leave industry and even told by another escort that those things don't happen (they happen to everyone). It's really hard to find an outlet. Everything is so secretive and unless your talking to another escort that answers her own emails and texts and deals with the problems first hand, no one else really knows what we put up with. We don't know a client is a d*ck until it's already happened.

I firmly believe that we all keep our prices so high, because of the jerks. It's not the good clients that make me want to take someone's money and get them out. Its the bad ones. My good clients are precious to me, because I know what the alternative is. If someone is nice to me, I'm so good to them. I'll bend over backwards and treat them like my friend. If someone is a jerk, I'll gauge them and gladly take their money and be happy they left unhappy. When I read these reviews I don't even blame the providers. I think in the back of my head "what did this guy say or do to piss this woman off", there are so many guys that do not respect our boundaries. When I meet a great client, I feel bad for taking their money. When I meet a sh*tty client, I always feel like I didn't charge enough. It has nothing to do with age or appearance and everything to do with their personality and how respectful they are. If someone walks all over me and my limitations and doesn't respect my boundaries, I automatically don't want to be there. The problem is, some guys think that because they're paying us we don't have any boundaries or that our boundaries are subjective and they're just guaranteeing that everyone is going to have a bad time.

I want to make it clear again, that if this woman opened up to you, you're a good man. The fact that you feel so strongly about what this other client did to her speaks volumes about your personality and she's very lucky to have you as a client. That guy who talked to her like that will never get the same level of service that you do. Yeah, we're in the service industry but when you have a difficult patron, you just put up with them until they leave or pass them on to another worker. The right thing to do is wait on your good tippers and good clients hand and foot. There's no point in wasting time and energy on someone who will never be happy.
 
100% agree. There is not point wasting anyones time/money, etc. Be honest. It is the respectful thing to do for both of you. I never understood women who get upset if a man walks at the door when these women are using pics that are simply not representative of them.

But getting back to the orginal thread, some guys [I will add gals as well] are dicks! I think we can all agree there. :wink:[/QUOTE]

I never got the fake pic thing either. I did it when I was younger because everyone else did it, but it's way more effective to just put it out there. I feel like the use of fake photo's makes it really intimidating for new people trying to get into the industry. They think "wow! I can't compete with that!", when really it's just a stolen, heavily air brushed photo and the real woman looks nothing like the pics. There are some beautiful escorts but that's not what everyone is looking for. They don't want "perfect" they want someone average that they can have a good time with. They're not looking for someone young enough to be their daughter, they want someone their age, with wrinkles and stretch marks and all of their natural beauty. I can completely understand that. I personally like people with quirky features. Glasses, tattoos, scars, veins, chicken legs, no ass. lol. I think porn is a good example too. There's heavily airbrushed porn with beautiful woman with lots plastic surgery going through the motions of having sex and faking their way through a good time... and then there's a sketchy video on someone's phone of some people having wild and passionate sex ad really going at it. I'll take the phone video over the high cost production with the people who aren't really into it.
 

bcd

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I think that was my bad. I brought up the truth in advertising as a counter point to Jeffery. My impression is this "client" who made the comment was not doing so based on some feeling of false advertising. The way I read it, I assumed this client was a perhaps a regular of hers. I don't know why I thought that, but I did.

I think when we discuss things, such as weight, the automatic assumption is old or photoshop pics, so I guess that is why it went that way.

I do think the topic has removed the SP in his OP and now become generalized so that may have brought up the truth in advertising part of the discussion.

I apologize if I derailed the topic.
Thanks Jessica.
 

Jeffrey93

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I The guys like Jefferey, who see us as a commodity. Like we're a product to purchase, use and discard.
Fact Check - your are a "commodity"

By definition - ' commodity is a marketable item produced to satisfy wants or needs.... Economic commodities comprise goods and services.'

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity

BTW, after the endurance test of reading your misguided novelette, I humbly suggest you look for another line of employment before you suffer from an existential crisis after your age makes it prohibitive to make a living as an SP.

Sincerely,
Jeff
 

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I don't know why the conversation morphed partly into truth in advertizing, bait and switch, whatever you want to call it, because brewwguy never indicated that in any way. In fact he indicated that he was very happy with the girl's appearance, body, shape whatever, even used the word perfection. Hmmm...play on words I wonder.
I think that was my bad. I brought up the truth in advertising as a counter point to Jeffery. My impression is this "client" who made the comment was not doing so based on some feeling of false advertising. The way I read it, I assumed this client was a perhaps a regular of hers. I don't know why I thought that, but I did.

I think when we discuss things, such as weight, the automatic assumption is old or photoshop pics, so I guess that is why it went that way.

I do think the topic has removed the SP in his OP and now become generalized so that may have brought up the truth in advertising part of the discussion.

I apologize if I derailed the topic.
To both your points; I wouldn't consider discussing truth in advertising as derailing the thread at all. In my OP I used my recent experience as an example, and to be clear there was no misrepresentation on the part of the SP. I think the honest advertising is a key point to this example. I don't know if the client was a regular or not but I had the impression she had seen him before. In any event the client knew what he was signing up for. If he considered her "overweight" why was he even there other than to take advantage of an opportunity to be an asshole? From here on I think this specific SP can be removed from the discussion since the intended focus was on guys like this are dicks.
 

Jasmine Raine

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Fact Check - your are a "commodity"

By definition - ' commodity is a marketable item produced to satisfy wants or needs.... Economic commodities comprise goods and services.'

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity

BTW, after the endurance test of reading your misguided novelette, I humbly suggest you look for another line of employment before you suffer from an existential crisis after your age makes it prohibitive to make a living as an SP.

Sincerely,
Jeff
Again, this is where we are going to disagree and this is where you use "simplification and honesty" to justify and de-value a person.

Yes - the SERVICES we provide can be consider a commodity but we as human beings are not considered a commodity. A lawyer is not a commodity, their service is. We are not a product, we provide a service.

Now if you want to go on about us being the product because that is what "guys are paying for", then again we are not the commodity as people, our pussies are. A part of a our body that again does not define us as a person.Those opinions are what lead to things like human trafficking and slave selling. Those "owners" feel that people are a commodity and buy and sell them like apples and oranges. They are not commodities either but the people who buy and sell them seems to share your opinion. I wonder if you truly share theirs or if some of this just hot air for the sake of shock posting.

See your comments are used to passive-aggressively hurt, insult and devalue most people that you post to. But in reality when presented like above, do you really feel that way? Do you truly believe that slaves, both child and adult should continue to be sold around the world? I don't think you do or at least I would hope not, so I don't understand why you insist on posting this type of thinking or this type of behaviour regarding people as a commodity. Because that is the reality of what a person being used as a commodity actually is.

I understand you say your postings are not because you are jaded, but I can't fathom someone living with such negative thinking all the time. When the world holds no value to you... well let's just say life would be miserable for me. I will of course assume you will come back and report that your life is just peachy-keen, but you are just talking reality, but if that is YOUR reality then I do feel bad for you. That is not my reality and that is not the reality that think most have if I am being honest.

To each their own I guess. I will say that I think most, in this thread at least, would feel that you could easily be classified an example of the what the OP is talking about. That is not meant to insult, but maybe the masses have some valid points that you could open your mind to, instead of going on the negative attack track all the time.

Most likely I am just typing and wasting my time, but I would hope that something of value could come out of a conversation with you.

To both your points; I wouldn't consider discussing truth in advertising as derailing the thread at all. In my OP I used my recent experience as an example, and to be clear there was no misrepresentation on the part of the SP. I think the honest advertising is a key point to this example. I don't know if the client was a regular or not but I had the impression she had seen him before. In any event the client knew what he was signing up for. If he considered her "overweight" why was he even there other than to take advantage of an opportunity to be an asshole? From here on I think this specific SP can be removed from the discussion since the intended focus was on guys like this are dicks.
I think the way you described it is the way it happened. He was a person she has seen before and knew what he was getting into. Why some men/women behave the way they do, is beyond me. Why would they want to ruin their encounter? Why would someone want to purposely hurt someone else with needless negativity? In this case, he could just not go back. It is simple. I do hope this SP is not upset with the addition things said by some in this thread. And if I am being honest, I bet if people knew who she was, there would be a much different response. I do agree, this thread is not about her, and more about the client and we have tons of examples without needing to bring her directly into it anymore.

It has been said before and I agree. The boom of the internet world has made people behave worse. It started with the "right to post" and the right to "freedom of speech" which morphed into the "right to be an asshole". I think more and more people are speaking negatively to each other now because we have conditioned ourselves to it through a decade of negative postings having no real consequences to the poster. You couldn't call a woman a cunt back in the day without shit hitting the fan from both men and women. You could physically see the hurt and emotional pain words and comments made to a person. Then slowly it was less and less shocking when posted online by men and women became desensitize to it. Now it seems like regular everyday conversation for both sexes. I will never understand.

Some would argue that we are getting a thicker skin in some areas, but I would have to question if that is a good thing or not. Because I can handle being called fat, does that mean I should have to accept the insult being used against me all the time? Because it does not have the negative impact intended, does that negate the person's wrong doing for saying it?????

The questions I pounder on a Saturday morning with a cup of joe.......

I think you had it right in the title. Some guys are dicks. I would just add that some women are too. You know, for the sake of equality. Well that and the hell I and a client went through trying to obtain a reference request from a lady (Not yours in this thread) out here. Some women get pissy when having to share apparently but that is a topic for another thread. LOL :wink:
 
Again, this is where we are going to disagree and this is where you use "simplification and honesty" to justify and de-value a person.

Yes - the SERVICES we provide can be consider a commodity but we as human beings are not considered a commodity. A lawyer is not a commodity, their service is. We are not a product, we provide a service.

Now if you want to go on about us being the product because that is what "guys are paying for", then again we are not the commodity as people, our pussies are. A part of a our body that again does not define us as a person.Those opinions are what lead to things like human trafficking and slave selling. Those "owners" feel that people are a commodity and buy and sell them like apples and oranges. They are not commodities either but the people who buy and sell them seems to share your opinion. I wonder if you truly share theirs or if some of this just hot air for the sake of shock posting.

See your comments are used to passive-aggressively hurt, insult and devalue most people that you post to. But in reality when presented like above, do you really feel that way? Do you truly believe that slaves, both child and adult should continue to be sold around the world? I don't think you do or at least I would hope not, so I don't understand why you insist on posting this type of thinking or this type of behaviour regarding people as a commodity. Because that is the reality of what a person being used as a commodity actually is.

I understand you say your postings are not because you are jaded, but I can't fathom someone living with such negative thinking all the time. When the world holds no value to you... well let's just say life would be miserable for me. I will of course assume you will come back and report that your life is just peachy-keen, but you are just talking reality, but if that is YOUR reality then I do feel bad for you. That is not my reality and that is not the reality that think most have if I am being honest.

To each their own I guess. I will say that I think most, in this thread at least, would feel that you could easily be classified an example of the what the OP is talking about. That is not meant to insult, but maybe the masses have some valid points that you could open your mind to, instead of going on the negative attack track all the time.

Most likely I am just typing and wasting my time, but I would hope that something of value could come out of a conversation with you.



I think the way you described it is the way it happened. He was a person she has seen before and knew what he was getting into. Why some men/women behave the way they do, is beyond me. Why would they want to ruin their encounter? Why would someone want to purposely hurt someone else with needless negativity? In this case, he could just not go back. It is simple. I do hope this SP is not upset with the addition things said by some in this thread. And if I am being honest, I bet if people knew who she was, there would be a much different response. I do agree, this thread is not about her, and more about the client and we have tons of examples without needing to bring her directly into it anymore.

It has been said before and I agree. The boom of the internet world has made people behave worse. It started with the "right to post" and the right to "freedom of speech" which morphed into the "right to be an asshole". I think more and more people are speaking negatively to each other now because we have conditioned ourselves to it through a decade of negative postings having no real consequences to the poster. You couldn't call a woman a cunt back in the day without shit hitting the fan from both men and women. You could physically see the hurt and emotional pain words and comments made to a person. Then slowly it was less and less shocking when posted online by men and women became desensitize to it. Now it seems like regular everyday conversation for both sexes. I will never understand.

Some would argue that we are getting a thicker skin in some areas, but I would have to question if that is a good thing or not. Because I can handle being called fat, does that mean I should have to accept the insult being used against me all the time? Because it does not have the negative impact intended, does that negate the person's wrong doing for saying it?????

The questions I pounder on a Saturday morning with a cup of joe.......

I think you had it right in the title. Some guys are dicks. I would just add that some women are too. You know, for the sake of equality. Well that and the hell I and a client went through trying to obtain a reference request from a lady (Not yours in this thread) out here. Some women get pissy when having to share apparently but that is a topic for another thread. LOL :wink:
PREACH!:whoo:

There is no age limit for an escort. I am more successful now at my age than I was when I was younger. There are plenty of women who even in their mid 40's and older do ok. I am in no way ashamed of my age or my weight. I know an escort in her early 60's and she is still beautiful and charming. Just because you like them young, doesn't mean that's everyone's taste. I am still considered young to my clients and if I had it my way I wouldn't see anyone younger than 40. I still see younger guys but they have to be my least favorite. I have a much better time with people who are more mature. You can try to be as rude and degrading as you want but your opinions don't match up with the demands of the industry. Traditionally beautiful and young women will always be in high demand but there are a lot of people who are looking for something more. You might not feel that desire yet but it will come one day (or maybe you won't because you're a narcissist and the only thing that matters to you is you) and that 20 something blonde who secretly can't stand you isn't going to cut it anymore.
 

Jeffrey93

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There is no age limit for an escort. I am more successful now at my age than I was when I was younger. There are plenty of women who even in their mid 40's and older do ok. I am in no way ashamed of my age or my weight. I know an escort in her early 60's .
Lol, you crack me up....you should be honest with yourself...sure - you'll make a comfortable living turning tricks well past your 40's....also, big deal you know someone who's an escort in their 60's - 35 million people in this country, and you know 1 person ....good luck
 

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Lol, you crack me up....you should be honest with yourself...sure - you'll make a comfortable living turning tricks well past your 40's....also, big deal you know someone who's an escort in their 60's - 35 million people in this country, and you know 1 person ....good luck
whats you point , you lack compassion the ladies provide a service that you and I and the rest on here partake. Theres no need to refer to them as a commodity.
Fact is they provide you with a service .When they don't provide what was promised ,please come on here and will discuss.In the mean time try to be a nice guy.
 

Jeffrey93

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.When they don't provide what was promised ,please come on here and will discuss.In the mean time try to be a nice guy.
Here's the thing Sir Cybercunter:

1) You don't get to tell me what I'll "discuss"
2) I don't need to fit your overly simplistic "nice guy" persona

Cheers
 

IndigoKnight

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Here's the thing Sir Cybercunter:

1) You don't get to tell me what I'll "discuss"
2) I don't need to fit your overly simplistic "nice guy" persona

Cheers
While you seem to be reasonably educated ( and I mean that...albeit loosely) Jeffrey93 you are still a dumbass. Go back to mama's basement and when you have something useful to contribute, perhaps we will pay attention to your drivel. You are indeed a legend ...in your own mind.

I guess you still don't get what FTWWTF really meant when writing his review. If you think it was a compliment, then you are more stupid than I thought.
 

Jeffrey93

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I guess you still don't get what FTWWTF really meant when writing his review. If you think it was a compliment, then you are more stupid than I thought.
Oh, I completely understand what FTWWTF was doing.....You see, I have a sense of humour - I can laugh at myself, I can take a joke - The "signature" is what's commonly known as 'self deprecating' humour.....I could go on

It's unfortunate that, given your handle 'IndigoKnight', I have to explain this to you...I guess I expected more... I'm learning more & more each day that 'hobbiest' clearly do think with only one head - and that's a shame.....yet I'm the stupid dumbass, ROFL...
 
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