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I had another session with a well reviewed SP today. As good as she is things were taken care of well before my hour was up so we had some time to talk. She told me something that got me really irate. She had a client tell her that she was at her weight limit and needs to lose 10 lbs. This obviously got her upset; and me too! Commence rant -> #1 she is absolutely dynamite as she is! Everyone has their idea of what perfection is and we all don't agree all the time but I'm calling perfection on this one. She looks lean like she works out and takes care of herself and that is attractive! #2, I don't think she even has 10 lbs to lose without looking unhealthy. These are the things eating disorders are made of and completely unnecessary.

It seems to be common that girls use older pics of when they weighed less and I can understand guys being upset by some of the lies they use but (im guessing at numbers here) if a 5'7" sp weighs 130lbs and that's considered unacceptable since they think they should only be 120lbs that is flat out dumb. This is unrealistic and if the client in question is reading this thread let me be first in line to call you a dick sir!

I forgot to ask but I really hope the SP punched the guy in the nose!
 

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I had another session with a well reviewed SP today. As good as she is things were taken care of well before my hour was up so we had some time to talk. She told me something that got me really irate. She had a client tell her that she was at her weight limit and needs to lose 10 lbs. This obviously got her upset; and me too! Commence rant -> #1 she is absolutely dynamite as she is! Everyone has their idea of what perfection is and we all don't agree all the time but I'm calling perfection on this one. She looks lean like she works out and takes care of herself and that is attractive! #2, I don't think she even has 10 lbs to lose without looking unhealthy. These are the things eating disorders are made of and completely unnecessary.

It seems to be common that girls use older pics of when they weighed less and I can understand guys being upset by some of the lies they use but (im guessing at numbers here) if a 5'7" sp weighs 130lbs and that's considered unacceptable since they think they should only be 120lbs that is flat out dumb. This is unrealistic and if the client in question is reading this thread let me be first in line to call you a dick sir!

I forgot to ask but I really hope the SP punched the guy in the nose!
Useless post if you don't even let us know what the person's height and weight is (estimates of course).
 

renuck

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Useless post if you don't even let us know what the person's height and weight is (estimates of course).
The numbers I gave are pretty accurate unless you need more than two significant digits but thanks for chipping in to prove my point!
 

legendspirit

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The numbers I gave are pretty accurate unless you need more than two significant digits but thanks for chipping in to prove my point!
Oh, I didn't realize that was the specific SP's stats. I thought you were just using those numbers as an example and they were random.
 

Mulva

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Really now, who cares. Sure the guys a dick but why let what one person says affect the way we feel? Get over it.
 

Jeffrey93

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Awesome ....

Got to love it when a grown man acts like a snowflake.
 

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Speaking as someone who is metabolically challenged, I know that different people have different tastes, and that some guys are dicks. When I visit an SP it's based one one basic fantasy: I want the girl I could never have unless I was paying, but I want her to act like the sweetheart who would have gone out with me. That's why I like slim (not anorexic) girls in their 20's (even though I'm pushing 50). The fantasy is about having now what I couldn't have then.
What's my point? If a woman advertises honestly, I will act on that information and either choose or skip her. I read the reviews and I'm happy to TOFTT. If I get there and she looks kinda like she advertised, and the session is good, so be it. I'll review positively and probably repeat. If she looks drastically different than advertised, I'll walk and save my money, but as someone who has been made to feel like shit for his appearance, I would never treat any woman like the dick described in the OP treated her for her appearance. If she's bitchy, sure, I'll call her on it, but appearance? Either stay or leave and, either way, shut up about it.
 
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renuck

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Oh, I didn't realize that was the specific SP's stats. I thought you were just using those numbers as an example and they were random.
I think i misinterpreted your post. As far as I'm aware the numbers I gave are accurate for this specific SP. Sorry for the snippy response. My bad.

Really now, who cares. Sure the guys a dick but why let what one person says affect the way we feel? Get over it.
You are right, what one person says shouldn't matter at all. Having known 2 people with eating disorders, unfortunately it is a reality that stupid little remarks like these (that should just be shrugged off) are all it takes to start a life altering downward spiral.

Cunnilinguist's post is on point, if the advertising is honest and accurate then you knew what you signed up for so you have no place to say anything. If a guy likes anorexic looking girls then there are a few of them on BP to choose from, though I suspect they likely only look anorexic due to a dependency problem. Telling a SP that does advertise honestly, is lean and in great shape, with a ruler flat tummy that she is borderline overweight is idiocy.

Thanks bcd for correcting my "typos".:thumb:
 
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Speaking as someone who is metabolically challenged, I know that different people have different tastes, and that some guys are dicks. When I visit an SP it's based one one basic fantasy: I want the girl I could never have unless I was paying, but I want her to act like the sweetheart who would have gone out with me. That's why I like slim (not anorexic) girls in their 20's (even though I'm pushing 50). The fantasy is about having now what I couldn't have then.
What's my point? If a woman advertises honestly, I will act on that information and either choose or skip her. I read the reviews and I'm happy to TOFTT. If I get there and she looks kinda like she advertised, and the session is good, so be it. I'll review positively and probably repeat. If she looks drastically different than advertised, I'll walk and save my money, but as someone who has been made to feel like shit for his appearance, I would never treat any woman like the dick described in the OP treated her for her appearance. If she's bitchy, sure, I'll call her on it, but appearance? Either stay or leave and, either way, shut up about it.
Well said and fair comments.

There's also the photo-shop factor. It can apply to agency gals and MPAs. They might not look exactly the same in real life but close enough. So it doesn't bother me. What's important is chemistry, attitude, hygiene, and her touch. Since I like a longer session, have a brain and being a good conversationalist is also important. The girls aren't just pieces of meat.
 
It's unfortunate, but it's something we have to deal with. I'm a BBW, so I get this way more than someone who is stick thin and I'll tell you, there are a lot of guys who will go out of their way tell a woman they're not their type. They'll go out of their way to tell a woman that they aren't physically appealing to them. I know that I don't appeal to most guys, but those aren't the people I am looking for. There are men that legitimately love BBWs, but for some reason, there are guys out there who just love to insult women and tell them how they don't fit their criteria. I get it all the time and you can't change those people. They're angry and petty and they really think the only thing that matters is how a woman looks and that's all the value she has. I think some guys just get off on insulting and demeaning women and we're an easy target because we're easily accessible online. If she hears it enough I'm sure it will really hurt her self esteem, but she sounds gorgeous by normal standards so I'm sure she hears she's beautiful more often than not. We don't really remember when someone calls us beautiful but we never forget when someone insults us.
 

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Thanks for sharing this Sinnamon. You give this thread a personal affect factor. I do hope that what you say is taken to heart by the DH's who feel the need to demean others.
 

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Not really a big deal but i guess i have thicker skin than most. Insults should just roll right off but ...
 

Jeffrey93

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What's the problem?

The guy paid his $, and suggested the SP lose a few pounds.... It's really no different than paying for a meal, and suggesting to the restaurant to ease up on the cilantro.

To the SP - time to realize that you're in the business of selling your body, therefore take the critique of your body as part of the business.... The same way a chef would take a constructive critique of his craft.

BTW - I'm sure the SP will take the guys $ all day long.

Also, it's damn unprofessional of the SP to bring up interaction with other clients... Do any of you do that in your profession? ...personally, I don't give a rat's ass what a previous customer said about your body - you're on my time/my dime.
 

Jasmine Raine

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I had another session with a well reviewed SP today. As good as she is things were taken care of well before my hour was up so we had some time to talk. She told me something that got me really irate. She had a client tell her that she was at her weight limit and needs to lose 10 lbs. This obviously got her upset; and me too! Commence rant -> #1 she is absolutely dynamite as she is! Everyone has their idea of what perfection is and we all don't agree all the time but I'm calling perfection on this one. She looks lean like she works out and takes care of herself and that is attractive! #2, I don't think she even has 10 lbs to lose without looking unhealthy. These are the things eating disorders are made of and completely unnecessary.

It seems to be common that girls use older pics of when they weighed less and I can understand guys being upset by some of the lies they use but (im guessing at numbers here) if a 5'7" sp weighs 130lbs and that's considered unacceptable since they think they should only be 120lbs that is flat out dumb. This is unrealistic and if the client in question is reading this thread let me be first in line to call you a dick sir!

I forgot to ask but I really hope the SP punched the guy in the nose!
I see how this can be upsetting. There is no reason to tell a person they are at their "weight limit". To use terminology like that suggests it was meant to be hurtful in some way. For whatever reason. To hurt her, make himself feel better - we will never know. And there are men and women alike who will insult anyone at any weight class. Some say eat a sandwich, some say put down the burger. The important thing is to not let these types of people gain the negative affect they are after. I am sure there are many "suggestions" she could have made to him about his appearance, but that would just feed into him. So there is no point.

I would suggest to her to find some other ladies in the industry to vent this stuff too. There are plenty of SP only places to chat. Some on review boards, some are site specific. That is the better place to talk about things like this because she can also get some good feedback on how to cope. Where you are showing great support, talking to women who go through this all the time, she can get some actual tips and strategies from those who were successful in these exact same situations. That way the negative affect is not staying with her.

What's the problem?

The guy paid his $, and suggested the SP lose a few pounds.... It's really no different than paying for a meal, and suggesting to the restaurant to ease up on the cilantro.

To the SP - time to realize that you're in the business of selling your body, therefore take the critique of your body as part of the business.... The same way a chef would take a constructive critique of his craft.

BTW - I'm sure the SP will take the guys $ all day long.

Also, it's damn unprofessional of the SP to bring up interaction with other clients... Do any of you do that in your profession? ...personally, I don't give a rat's ass what a previous customer said about your body - you're on my time/my dime.
I somewhat agree, although I would say it slightly different. I don't agree with body critiquing however.

I am a considered a BBW as well. I say considered because I personally do not agree with the term. Big Beautiful Woman assumes all us "fat chicks" fall under the same umbrella and that is simply not true. I choose to use different terms to describe myself but more importantly, I ensure that I use as real, candid and accurate pics as possible in my advertising. If a person wants to call me this or that, suggest I lose/gain weight, change hair/nails, tells me to tan, whatever - I will it take as I take everything else. With a grain of salt.

To say I or others should take it as a constructive critique suggests however that we are in a position where we require it at all. I advertise as I am. Therefore as the customer, you take that or you leave that. I am not leaving a comment card by the door for you to fill out. I will take requests or feedback for things like website add-ons, new toy purchases, touring locations, hotel recommendations, etc but as far as selling my body - I will not listen to critiques regarding it because you have the choice not to book me based on your body preference. You want to use the chef analogy, you don't go to Hell's Kitchen to suggest what Gordon Ramsay should add to his signature beef wellington. You go because you want to try it and if you like it, you go back. If you don't like it, then you don't go back. Simple.

I would not continue to take the client's money personally. This provider may or may not, but I am going to go with "not". Why? Because clearly it affected her, and I don't think any of us want to be with someone who does not want us as we are, assuming advertising is accurate. I do hope this provider is in a position where she can turn down the client in the future, however some do not have that privilege and I don't think it is right to degrade the provider if she is unable to deny the income.

I do agree that a provider should not be discussing other clients, even if you feel you can find solace in that current gentleman you are with. I think professionalism should trump all. I would not agree with my dentist rattling on about work issues, or even personal issues while she cleans my teeth. So I agree there.

I also agree that there are some providers who would not care, who would use the sob story to gain attention from this gentleman, and would continue to take the first clients money all the way to the bank. However, we don't know if that is the case here, and I would never want to judge someone who is unknown in a negative light first. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and not look at life so jaded.
 

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Some men feel superior when payin. For women and feel as if they have the right to disrespect these beautiful young ladies, it's disgusting.
 

renuck

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This is turning into a pretty good conversation. Thanks Sinnamon and Jessica for posting to get a perspective from the other side of the fence.

I've seen it mentioned a couple times now that Sp's shouldn't be discussing other clients... I've only seen a small handful so far but all except maybe one has. One I can't remember specifically if she did but that would make it 100% if she did - which I think she did. I don't know if I see a specific problem with this. If they told me anything identifying about said client then yes that would be a big problem but talking about some random guy she saw sometime somewhere? I consider myself a nice guy and easy to talk to and I always make an effort to try to be that guy - can't say I know for sure if I'm successful - but I try. I also try to get conversation started. I of course don't ask about these things but if the SP brings it up and feels comfortable talking to me about it then I'm not going to turn her away. Yes she absolutely should talk to her peers in the industry for guidance as Jessica mentioned but I suspect asking for a point of view from from a client they trust can offer some insight they can't get anywhere else.

Jessica I'm curious about your comment using this a sob story for financial gain. I suppose it's possible she is fishing for compliments telling me about a bad client that insulted her but beyond that her rates haven't changed so long as I've known her so I'm not following your argument.

Take care,
Breww
 

Jasmine Raine

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This is turning into a pretty good conversation. Thanks Sinnamon and Jessica for posting to get a perspective from the other side of the fence.

I've seen it mentioned a couple times now that Sp's shouldn't be discussing other clients... I've only seen a small handful so far but all except maybe one has. One I can't remember specifically if she did but that would make it 100% if she did - which I think she did. I don't know if I see a specific problem with this. If they told me anything identifying about said client then yes that would be a big problem but talking about some random guy she saw sometime somewhere? I consider myself a nice guy and easy to talk to and I always make an effort to try to be that guy - can't say I know for sure if I'm successful - but I try. I also try to get conversation started. I of course don't ask about these things but if the SP brings it up and feels comfortable talking to me about it then I'm not going to turn her away. Yes she absolutely should talk to her peers in the industry for guidance as Jessica mentioned but I suspect asking for a point of view from from a client they trust can offer some insight they can't get anywhere else.

Jessica I'm curious about your comment using this a sob story for financial gain. I suppose it's possible she is fishing for compliments telling me about a bad client that insulted her but beyond that her rates haven't changed so long as I've known her so I'm not following your argument.

Take care,
Breww

It is true that asking a client about "Client" things is a good way to gather some intel on the mind of the opposite sex for us, but I still think there should be a line drawn. This is not a personal relationship even if we are very good at making it feel like one. I also understand the talking after the deed. Which usually always takes me over time but I too like the conversational element. Probably why I do keep that on "my time" so to speak by doing it after the time is up. I know ladies who will spend 20-30 mins of the hour appt chatting and for me, I would rather fuck for an hour on your time and then chat for 30 afterwards on my time. However topics can be anything from current events, to debates about politics, or religion, and I will even go as far as talking about the stupidness we read on TERB last week, but for me, I tend to keep to positive topics, and maybe that is why I don't discuss the negative things that a prior client did. I don't talk about the positive things a client did to another because that would be wrong for other reasons.

So while it is awesome that you are that nice guy who can listen, that is not your role as a client and my role as a professional is to ensure that you are the main focus, the main priority and therefore the conversational element should be focused on you and your topics, which I will assume is not asking if an earlier client was a dickhead today.

As for the "Sob Story" part of my post, I like to ensure I cover all sides when speaking in generalized terms and it seems to me that Mr. Jeffery is a bit of a jaded sole based on his posts. So my comments were more towards him, taking into account the negative side of the industry and why ladies would be discussing things like this. However to make it very clear it was in no way a reflection of your SP that you were talking about. Being real though, there are ladies who are dickheads too and some would use these types of tactics to gather attention, and the financial gain could come later. In a situation like this, it could be the start of the sob stories that lead to a request for a "prepayment" of a couple of session because she can't see the complaining client again. Who knows. I am not like those types so I don't know the exact way they operate, but that was the basis of my post regarding that. Hopefully that cleared it up for you.

Thanks,
Jess ;-)
 

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One of the most loathed questions (imho) that people ask is 'looks like you put on some pounds'. Thank you. I didn't notice my pants getting tighter and thanks for telling me. Asshole. Of course you know when you're putting on Weight! No one needs to tell you, or to tell you what THEY think you should look like. Accept folks as they are, or don't. In a commercial enterprise, yes, a lady who uses very misleading photos should be called out on this (hence boards like this). But engage, or don't engage, and save your body advice unless you're asked.
 

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I'm conflicted in this a little. I firmly believe that telling a stranger that she could lose a few pounds is rude in any situation. even if you just paid that stranger for sex. No matter what the situation, it's hurtful and unnecessary.

But - I do echo the sentiments about truth in advertising. I've often stated on here that I want to know EXACTLY what I'm getting in to with my money. So when you fuck around with photoshop and angles or when you post 5 year-old photos, I don't take to the deception very kindly. If we're talking a 10 pound difference or some airbrushed tattoos, I can deal. But if we're talking about a 50 pound difference? I'm out. I book BBWs (or whatever term you prefer to use) when I'm in that particular mood and I book thin girls when I'm in that particular mood and I book girls that are somewhere in between when I'm in that particular mood. If I'm not in that particular mood, I don't want to see it when the door opens.
 
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