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Dawgger

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5 complete against the Angels and Marcus is looking PFG. If consistent, that would be a great boost for the 2nd half season.
Thought that was the best I have seen him this season. Needs a couple of more starts like that to make believers out of everyone. Like every pitcher he need a good defense behind him and some run support.
 

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Sometimes a guy is toxic. That does not seem to be the case here. I don't think there will be any media or public backlash. Any 2nd incident down the road and he is toast.
I agree with what you have said and I hope that he can get his act together and become an ambassador for the cause and the sport.

I also hope that he will remain a Blue Jay.

This is certainly going to be a tough decision for Rogers to make. They released a broadcaster (Zaun) due to his conduct around female employees (alleged mental abuse) without giving him a chance to rehabilitate himself. How do they justify keeping Osuna who can potentially be charged with assault (alleged physical abuse)? Currently he is innocent until proven guilty, but the actions of all parties certainly indicate that this is not a case of mistaken identity.

As I have mentioned before, a person who owns the team may be able to withstand the negative publicity toward themselves if they keep Osuna on the team. However a corporation like Rogers has many other relationships to the community that extend beyond baseball and they need to consider how this decision will impact those stakeholders/customers.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I agree with what you have said and I hope that he can get his act together and become an ambassador for the cause and the sport.

I also hope that he will remain a Blue Jay.

This is certainly going to be a tough decision for Rogers to make. They released a broadcaster (Zaun) due to his conduct around female employees (alleged mental abuse) without giving him a chance to rehabilitate himself. How do they justify keeping Osuna who can potentially be charged with assault (alleged physical abuse)?
2 differences there:

1) With Zauno it was internal company rules he broke, not criminal AFAIK
2) If you gave Zauno a 2nd chance he would have to work with all the girls he harrassed, and that would make for a very awkward work environment
 

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2 differences there:

1) With Zauno it was internal company rules he broke, not criminal AFAIK
2) If you gave Zauno a 2nd chance he would have to work with all the girls he harrassed, and that would make for a very awkward work environment
I believe number 1 would also apply to Osuna as sports stars are ambassadors to the team and that type of behavior is against company policy (I do not have access to the actual Blue Jay policy manual, however most sports teams include this as a policy).

# 2 definitely does not apply and you are indeed correct.
 

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I agree with what you have said and I hope that he can get his act together and become an ambassador for the cause and the sport.

I also hope that he will remain a Blue Jay.

This is certainly going to be a tough decision for Rogers to make. They released a broadcaster (Zaun) due to his conduct around female employees (alleged mental abuse) without giving him a chance to rehabilitate himself. How do they justify keeping Osuna who can potentially be charged with assault (alleged physical abuse)? Currently he is innocent until proven guilty, but the actions of all parties certainly indicate that this is not a case of mistaken identity.

As I have mentioned before, a person who owns the team may be able to withstand the negative publicity toward themselves if they keep Osuna on the team. However a corporation like Rogers has many other relationships to the community that extend beyond baseball and they need to consider how this decision will impact those stakeholders/customers.
Zaun is easily replaceable with another talking head.

Osuna is an all star calibre closer. That's the difference.
 

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Zaun is easily replaceable with another talking head.

Osuna is an all star calibre closer. That's the difference.
Correct, however Rogers is a major corporation that does not only cater to a baseball market. Their corporate image is a bigger boardroom concern than the fate of a ball player, even an all star like Osuna. This is not a Toronto Blue Jays decision, it is a Rogers decision - Huge difference.

I want them to keep Osuna, but I do realize that that type of a decision is not one that is managed by Shatkins and company. The fate of Osuna will be determined by the people who own/run Rogers, not the people who run the Toronto Blue Jays.
 

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I would take Osuna back in a heartbeat. Why? Because almost any other team will pick him up and play him. So "taking a moral stand" is a wasted effort.

Is it hypocritical in light of what happened to Zaun? Yup. But Zaun isn't a world class closer, Osuna is.

Osuna needs to plead his case, do his time, and then get back to pitching. Time heals all. And so does a World Series run...
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I would take Osuna back in a heartbeat. Why? Because almost any other team will pick him up and play him. So "taking a moral stand" is a wasted effort
I would too. Give him a 2nd chance.

But will the politically correct feminists who (apparently) run Toronto allow him back???!

My guess is he/she/it won't
 

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I would take Osuna back in a heartbeat. Why? Because almost any other team will pick him up and play him. So "taking a moral stand" is a wasted effort.

Is it hypocritical in light of what happened to Zaun? Yup. But Zaun isn't a world class closer, Osuna is.

Osuna needs to plead his case, do his time, and then get back to pitching. Time heals all. And so does a World Series run...
What do you do if Osuna was convicted? That's why everyone is in the wait and see pattern. If convicted,Jays have the easiest decision by not bringing him back. Over times Jays will find enough players to replace Osuna and to achieve their goals of reaching the WS.
 

mandrill

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What do you do if Osuna was convicted? That's why everyone is in the wait and see pattern. If convicted,Jays have the easiest decision by not bringing him back. Over times Jays will find enough players to replace Osuna and to achieve their goals of reaching the WS.
I think he has been "sentenced" by the Commissioner's Office already. I don't they can pile on further sanctions.
 

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What do you do if Osuna was convicted? That's why everyone is in the wait and see pattern. If convicted,Jays have the easiest decision by not bringing him back. Over times Jays will find enough players to replace Osuna and to achieve their goals of reaching the WS.
All of this is about to come to a head, as Osuna has a court date in early July, my guess is it doesn't go to trial. Either charged are stayed or dropped or a plea agreement is reached to a minor charge. we should also find out the Blue Jays as I believe he can start working out and go on rehab assignments in the minors. I expect him back in a Jays uniform in August. Hope he returns fit physically and mentally.
Surprised we haven't heard more from counsellor Perry as he should have some sort of feel for this.
 

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Congratulations to Tyler Clippard and Teoscar Hernandez on getting theor World Ssries Championship rings.
 

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Trade Osuna. Jays will not compete this year or next at best.

We do not need him for two years. A lot can happen to a star pitcher in two years and none of it is good.

He will be worth a ton to a contender in September and teams will be willing to take a risk for such an important position player
 

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I would too. Give him a 2nd chance.

But will the politically correct feminists who (apparently) run Toronto allow him back???!

My guess is he/she/it won't
Not that it in any way justifies his actions, but there are some factors that can paint him in a somewhat sympathetic light.

Young/immature, in a foreign country, foreign language, foreign culture under an enormous professional pressure and combine those with the previously revealed emotional/depression issues. Maybe his judgement was affected by meds. Maybe he has learned from this incident and he is remorseful, etc. etc.. I'm sure the lawyers and the spin masters can come up with more stuff. He is a very young and a very valuable commodity that is hard to find in MLB. Rogers is a business. Does the potential bad PR outweigh the value to the franchise on the field which can translate into increased attendance and viewership and $$$.

Maybe Rogers can even help work out a settlement so that it does not go to court and his ability to cross borders would not be affected.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Not that it in any way justifies his actions, but there are some factors that can paint him in a somewhat sympathetic light.

Young/immature, in a foreign country, foreign language, foreign culture under an enormous professional pressure and combine those with the previously revealed emotional/depression issues. Maybe his judgement was affected by meds. Maybe he has learned from this incident and he is remorseful, etc. etc.. I'm sure the lawyers and the spin masters can come up with more stuff. He is a very young and a very valuable commodity that is hard to find in MLB. Rogers is a business. Does the potential bad PR outweigh the value to the franchise on the field which can translate into increased attendance and viewership and $$$.

Maybe Rogers can even help work out a settlement so that it does not go to court and his ability to cross borders would not be affected
I agree with all that, except for the remorseful part. Someone who pleads not guilty usually isnt remorseful
 

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Someone who pleads not guilty usually isnt remorseful
You cannot infer anything from a not guilty plea, in fact or in law. You always plead not guilty unless and until a deal is worked out... if there is a deal to be worked out.

Perry
 

Perry Mason

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Surprised we haven't heard more from counsellor Perry as he should have some sort of feel for this.
Counsellor Perry has very little information concerning of the specific facts. Without knowledge of the facts, not possible to express a "feel" for the situation...

What I do "feel" is that he has exceptional talents as a pitcher... and I hope he stays as the BJ's closer for many years to come. It would be great to watch his talents unfold right here in our own back yard.

Perry
 
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