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Shapiro is handcuffed by not being able to do what he really wants (and what he's good at)... rebuilding. Maybe that will change now but I don't judge him based on what he's done to date because he's not been allowed to do what he was brought in to do, that is rebuild this team. Tinkering and adjusting won't cut it, they need to rebuild around the core young quality players they have (minus Osuna unfortunately).

As long as the fans demand the BJ's to be competitive now, it will continue to put off what needs to happen. Part of me hopes this downturn sticks so we can get on with rebuilding the team and getting back on the upswing. And that includes putting Donaldson on the market to see what he's worth and trading him if there's a deal to be made.

You don't become a good GM by making easy decisions. You have to make the tough decisions no one else wants to hear.
 

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Shapiro is handcuffed by not being able to do what he really wants (and what he's good at)... rebuilding. Maybe that will change now but I don't judge him based on what he's done to date because he's not been allowed to do what he was brought in to do, that is rebuild this team. Tinkering and adjusting won't cut it, they need to rebuild around the core young quality players they have (minus Osuna unfortunately).

As long as the fans demand the BJ's to be competitive now, it will continue to put off what needs to happen. Part of me hopes this downturn sticks so we can get on with rebuilding the team and getting back on the upswing. And that includes putting Donaldson on the market to see what he's worth and trading him if there's a deal to be made.

You don't become a good GM by making easy decisions. You have to make the tough decisions no one else wants to hear.
Shapiro is president and CEO, same title Beeston held, are you saying Rogers is holding him back? If so where are you getting your information? As president and CEO he should have a free hand within reason. If he feels he has restraints put on his leadership that negatively effect his goals he should resign.
 

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Shapiro is president and CEO, same title Beeston held, are you saying Rogers is holding him back? If so where are you getting your information? As president and CEO he should have a free hand within reason. If he feels he has restraints put on his leadership that negatively effect his goals he should resign.
And not only that, this is a big market team, with no competition for the loyalty of 35 million Canadians and what they are willing to spend along with all the resources of the mega Rogers conglomerate.

He can do whatever he wants to make this team competitive in a very short time. Yet he still refuses to spend money on the team, the money that the fans deserve for him to spend.
 

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And not only that, this is a big market team, with no competition for the loyalty of 35 million Canadians and what they are willing to spend along with all the resources of the mega Rogers conglomerate.

He can do whatever he wants to make this team competitive in a very short time. Yet he still refuses to spend money on the team, the money that the fans deserve for him to spend.
Given that the NYC, LA and Chicago markets are split, I believe the GTA / Southern Ontario market is by itself the largest in the majors.
 

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Shapiro is president and CEO, same title Beeston held, are you saying Rogers is holding him back?
Yes. He has a free hand so long as he keeps filling Rogers Centre. Thus the conflict.

Source? The horse's mouth. He said late last year/early this year that if the fans weren't part of the equation they would be doing a rebuild this year but in order to keep the fans happy/attendance numbers up, they have to take a different approach.
 

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Do baseball teams have insurance for when players get injured? Specifically I'm thinking of Tulo. I realize his salary would still affect the cap but if the team wasn't actually paying for nothing (i.e., they were able to collect insurance on his injury) then maybe they'd be more likely to trade him? (or at least try)
 

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Do baseball teams have insurance for when players get injured? Specifically I'm thinking of Tulo. I realize his salary would still affect the cap but if the team wasn't actually paying for nothing (i.e., they were able to collect insurance on his injury) then maybe they'd be more likely to trade him? (or at least try)
Can contracts be insured? Yes.
Is Troy Tulowitzki's contract insured? To my knowledge, no.
There is no cap in major league baseball.
Troy Tulowitzki has a full no-trade clause in his contract, he's not going
anywhere unless he wants to, & if he wants to, to a destination of his choice.
 

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Can contracts be insured? Yes.
Is Troy Tulowitzki's contract insured? To my knowledge, no.
Troy Tulowitzki has a full no-trade clause in his contract, he's not going
anywhere unless he wants to, & if he wants to, to a destination of his choice.
We used to call that screwed, blued (how ironic!) and tattooed...

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Keebler Elf

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Can contracts be insured? Yes.
Is Troy Tulowitzki's contract insured? To my knowledge, no.
There is no cap in major league baseball.
Troy Tulowitzki has a full no-trade clause in his contract, he's not going
anywhere unless he wants to, & if he wants to, to a destination of his choice.
Cap, luxury tax, whatever. A factor that limits limits spending more.
 

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Given that the NYC, LA and Chicago markets are split, I believe the GTA / Southern Ontario market is by itself the largest in the majors.

I don't know about that. Even though those cities have two teams, the states those cities are located in have huge populations. The state of New York has about 20 million people, plus they probably get the market from a state like New Jersey where there's no team.
 

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Unless there's some dramatic turn of events, he's pretty much done as a BJ. If him punching his girlfriend and throwing her down the stairs are true, he'll get a massive suspension and the Jays will be forced to cut ties with him.

I suspect that's why you don't hear much about Osuna on the TV broadcasts... they know he's done but can't come out and say that until it's official.
 

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Guerrero is hitting .423 with 8 homeruns and 45 RBI for AA New Hampshire Fisher Cats.

I don't think he's ready for MLB this year, but he might be next year
 

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I don't know about that. Even though those cities have two teams, the states those cities are located in have huge populations. The state of New York has about 20 million people, plus they probably get the market from a state like New Jersey where there's no team.
Ontario population is about 14 million, most of it in a 2 hour radius of the GTA.
 

mandrill

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Guerrero is hitting .423 with 8 homeruns and 45 RBI for AA New Hampshire Fisher Cats.

I don't think he's ready for MLB this year, but he might be next year
Why isn't he in Buffalo?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Why isn't he in Buffalo?
I think he will be after all-star break

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I really wish Jays didnt schedule day games during the week, traffic is a total disaster downtown right now.
I moved literally 25 feet in 1/2 hour
 

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It's good to get out of town after a 1-6 homestand. Hopefully, they will finish the month on better record than 1-6. Feel bad for the Jays and Osuna. If Osuna was there last night,he might not blown the save.
 
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