Nope don't think he did a great job in Cleveland! Besides not filling the stands, the team got better after he left. He was on the right track in his build but he did not get the job done.Remains to be seen... but very difficult to compare... the game and the management strategies are so different from what they were in Gillick's years.
I am a great fan of Gillick's. He simply had a nose for picking out talent and putting teams together, like some of the old timers. And neither he nor they had access to the stats, analytics and Sabremetrics we have today.
And you have to admit that Shapero did a great job in Cleveland.
Perry
His job when he got here, should have been to finish what AA and Beeston started! It was clear (and If I recall correctly, you Perry, were a critic), that he had no intention of finishing what was started because it would have cost money. AA refused to work under him or with him! Under Shapiro the team is going downhill. So as the team tanks they talk about the prospects and the future, wonder how they will mess that up, but you can be sure when it does, it won't be their fault.Since when does "contending" mean "must win"? And they did contend! In 2015. Largely on Donaldson's MVP year... not to minimize Bautista's, Encarnacion's and Martin's contributions!
Even so, they started falling apart very quickly after that, so they couldn't have been such a great team even then!
Perry
And, god forbid, he would have had to share credit with AA for what would have largely been AA's team.His job when he got should have been to finish what AA and Beeston started! It was clear (and If I recall correctly, you Perry, were a critic), that he had no intention of finishing what was started because it would have cost money.
Absolutely not! If Rogers wanted that, they would have extended AA and Beeston.They would be the best men for that job!His job when he got here, should have been to finish what AA and Beeston started!
It looked to me that that is what AA was doing. If he actually could or couldn't is pure speculation at this point. He never got the chance.Absolutely not! If Rogers wanted that, they would have extended AA and Beeston.They would be the best men for that job!
I know Beeston wanted to retire, but he has always been open to offers he could not refuse. Or they could easily have hired one of many competent baseball guys as president. AA was pretty much on his own anyways...
Rogers hired Shapeyero to do something different. To build a perennial contender. That is a real money generator for them,
They tried to extend AA and he wouldn't or couldn't work with/for Shapiro.Absolutely not! If Rogers wanted that, they would have extended AA and Beeston.They would be the best men for that job!
I know Beeston wanted to retire, but he has always been open to offers he could not refuse. Or they could easily have hired one of many competent baseball guys as president. AA was pretty much on his own anyways...
Rogers hired Shapeyero to do something different. To build a perennial contender. That is a real money generator for them, in many different ways.
And, yes, I was a critic of Shapeyero at the time he was hired. I have slowly changed my mind. Canada is a free country, isn't it? :yo:
Perry
Small world! He lived in the same province as I did. I never did run across him though...You guys probably wont believe this, but Gillick lived on my street in Mississauga for a while (Jarvis st. & Dundas (Erindale area)).
They tried to extend AA and he wouldn't or couldn't work with/for Shapiro.
They hired Shapiro before AA made the deadline trades and Beeston
Can you please back this up with a credible source?One of the first things Shapiro did when he met with AA is fucking scolded him for making all those trades
Can you please back this up with a credible source?
Newspaper article? TV interview?
Well done bbl.I'm not what else you consider a "credible source", but there have been many articles on it. Here's one:
https://www.thescore.com/news/866843
Here's an article where Sharpiro denied it, but doesn't mean it didn't happen:
https://www.thestar.com/sports/blue...a-with-anthopoulos-looming-in-background.html
Here's another one from Fox, and Ken Rosenthal was the one that reported, who is one of the better baseball insiders out there:
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/...poulos-incoming-ceo-shapiro-butted-heads.html
Wow so exciting! Lots of outfielders, not sure how good they are. This guy excite anyone? Dominic Leone was far from awful last year, Connor Green has wicked speed but at this point not much control.Jays pick up Grichuk from the Cardinals for Leone and a prospect.
That might be a good trade. Grichuk is only 26 and has never played a full season in MLB.Jays pick up Grichuk from the Cardinals for Leone and a prospect.
Especially in the homer friendly dome.That might be a good trade. Grichuk is only 26 and has never played a full season in MLB.
He could be a 30-homerun guy if he ever plays a full season
Well done.I'm not what else you consider a "credible source", but there have been many articles on it. Here's one:
https://www.thescore.com/news/866843
Here's an article where Sharpiro denied it, but doesn't mean it didn't happen:
https://www.thestar.com/sports/blue...a-with-anthopoulos-looming-in-background.html
Here's another one from Fox, and Ken Rosenthal was the one that reported, who is one of the better baseball insiders out there:
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/...poulos-incoming-ceo-shapiro-butted-heads.html
The morphine doesnt necessarily mean anything. If I took two tylenol 3's today some of the codeine would revert into morphine and my piss could test positive the next 2 days for morphine.https://www.theglobeandmail.com/spo...n-he-died-autopsy/article37673636/?cmpid=rss1
Doc had morphine and amphetamine in his body when he died, autopsy says
Well done.
Researched and thorough.
I could see that happening. The new GM (Shapiro) would be pretty pissed that the farm system was depleted, however the time was right to take the gamble. The run differential screamed that they had the team to make a run for it, and the trades proved that theory correct. Even though 2015 did not pan out, they still had a chance in 2016. I have only looked up a few of the players from the farm system that were traded away, but their stats do not jump off the page. At this stage, I still think the Jays got a better return on those trades than if they would have kept those players. We are stuck with a Tulo and Martin, however we had two years where it was possible to win it all. Have to admit though, those two years provided some Blue Jay highlights that will stick with the team for decades (Jose bat flip, Donaldson dash and Eddie's dinger over Baltimore in extras).Thanks.
I'm sure some people would still argue that it was just a rumor, but I believe where's the smoke there's fire.