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“Not everyone was in full agreement during our discussions, but I think most people respected how we arrived at the decision"

I wouldn't count on that! lol
 

oldjones

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Still laughing, the term "rebels" is apparently too closely related to the offensive confederate flag
These fucktards probably think Star Wars is racist too since not enough black characters

https://www.theifp.ca/news-story/7563700-georgetown-district-high-school-rebels-no-longer/
It never ceases to amuse me how often conservative rhetoric and argument depends on inventing the stuff you're angry about.
“Not everyone was in full agreement during our discussions, but I think most people respected how we arrived at the decision"

I wouldn't count on that! lol
It certainly read like a lengthy and broad-based consultation and decision-making process, but as you say, there will always be those who can't accept change no matter how sensible, democratic or popular. How fortunate for Georgetown there wasn't enough objection to be mentioned in the article.

The regret of the man who designed the crest decades ago — when it had the American Stars and Bars — was touching. But the name might still have been acceptable today if his rebel models had been William Lyon Mackenzie and the farmers who marched down Yonge St in 1837 demanding a democratic government, and not admirers of the slave-holders of the USA.
 

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Just another example of left wing losers with too much time on their hands, who spend it coming up with ridiculous "causes",... instead of actually contributing to a society.

I guess the US has to ban any showing of any movie with the word "Rebel" in the title,... without a cause,...fricken idiots.
 

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Just another example of left wing losers with too much time on their hands, who spend it coming up with ridiculous "causes",... instead of actually contributing to a society.

I guess the US has to ban any showing of any movie with the word "Rebel" in the title,... without a cause,...fricken idiots.
As I said:
It never ceases to amuse me how often conservative rhetoric and argument depends on inventing the stuff you're angry about
Why do you think a fairy-tale you invent about what a foreign country must do could be relevant to discussing a name-change for a GTA school team?

As to your condemnation of the teachers, principals, trustees, parents and students involved, are you really trying to say they don't contribute to society? And you do I suppose?
 

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The cuckification of a generation.....
… began with the children of the Confederacy. And as they aged and determined their own offspring should be kept as ignorant as they, so it was passed down from parent to child, each generation as lied to and as deceived into self-defeat and resentment of truth as the ones before it.

But of course all that's American and has nothing to do with Canadians or this news-item. Always excepting the TV-indoctrinated American-wannabes among us, who don't really know the difference.
 

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… began with the children of the Confederacy. And as they aged and determined their own offspring should be kept as ignorant as they, so it was passed down from parent to child, each generation as lied to and as deceived into self-defeat and resentment of truth as the ones before it.

But of course all that's American and has nothing to do with Canadians or this news-item. Always excepting the TV-indoctrinated American-wannabes among us, who don't really know the difference.
This guy's really just destroying everyone else on this thread. LOL!
 

oldjones

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Gotta thank TeeJ, for sparking me to Google Mackenzie's Rebellion. This December 6, will be 180 years since he and about 800 others marched from Montgomery's Tavern just north of Eglinton down Yonge St past the Potter's Field at Bloor and on into Toronto. They'd had all they could stomach of being intimidated and dictated to by establishment elites who blatantly rigged the open voting of the time. Most of them were farmers, armed with pikes and pitchforks.

Although they were soundly trounced by the militia somewhere around College, and Mackenzie exiled himself to the States, the colonial government couldn't ignore the people's will for change. Eight thousand of them petitioned the Governor to commute the death sentences of Lount and Matthews the other leaders of the Rebellion and 10,000 — close to the entire population of the City — bore witness at the corner of Toronto and Court St. when they were hung at the jail there. They were buried in that same Potter's Field. Other identified rebels were jailed, transported or banished. Although the Durham Report that followed recommended the responsible, elected government that the Rebels had marched for, it still took another ten years before Canadians at last achieved it (we didn't get secret ballots until after Confederation)

This year December 6 is a Wednesday, anyone care to join me for a morning walk from Eglinton down Yonge to College?
 

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In case anyone was actually planning for Wednesday, I confess I lost track and did it today. A very pleasant couple of hours in the the unaccustomed sunshine from where the new condo (The Montgomery, a Residential Rebellion) is engulfing the old PO, down to where the Rebels were bested by the militia and Maple Leaf Gardens has been bested by Loblaws. I've already decided to do it again next year, weather and health permitting, but on the right day.

It was just too hard to think reverently about those who sacrificed for us 180 years ago, when I had to keep reminding myself not to quibble, "But it was actually day after tomorrow".
 

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It's a shame how some perfectly acceptable words (e.g. retardation) morph into something else over time resulting in them having a negative connotation/stigma attached to them. Rebel is just one example of this.
Is a word like the ‘n-word’ as said by a white person another example of such ‘shame’?

It was perfectly acceptable in a society that actively sought to maintain or increase marginalization of races, genders (etc etc.)...

I see some shame here, but it’s not with those seeking to remove language with offensive contextual connotations from jerseys.

I for one am glad we go with SP or MPA instead of ‘whore’ those days.
 
The shame is not on those removing a word from their jerseys that has come to be associated with a group of people that wrongfully subjugated another group. As pointed out by oldjones a rebel can be a good and positive thing.

The shame I'm talking about is that somewhere along the line someone started misusing a word like retard, which is meant to describe an individual driving 100 in the fast lane, slowing down or impeding everyone else's progress and instead used it to describe a group of individuals born with a genetic disorder, giving it a negative connotation it didn't have before, which is wrong any way you look at it. Used in the right context it's a perfectly acceptable word, as is rebel.

That is where the shame lies. Hopefully now you understand my meaning!

For the record, IMO the "N" word is offensive no matter who says it. My ex common law is a black Antiguan and I never heard him refer to anyone like that, nor would he.
 

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The regret of the man who designed the crest decades ago — when it had the American Stars and Bars — was touching. But the name might still have been acceptable today if his rebel models had been William Lyon Mackenzie and the farmers who marched down Yonge St in 1837 demanding a democratic government, and not admirers of the slave-holders of the USA.
Where is the direct connection with the Confederate Battle Flag in the article cited? https://www.theifp.ca/news-story/7563700-georgetown-district-high-school-rebels-no-longer/

The article indicates that it was popular movies of the time and the counterculture which came to a head at the end of the 60's which were the actual influence.

Now I will agree that it is a peculiar nickname for a Canadian school. Then again given that this is Canada rather than Brazil, why people's minds should leap to the Confederate States of America is curious.
 

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The shame is not on those removing a word from their jerseys that has come to be associated with a group of people that wrongfully subjugated another group. As pointed out by oldjones a rebel can be a good and positive thing.

The shame I'm talking about is that somewhere along the line someone started misusing a word like retard, which is meant to describe an individual driving 100 in the fast lane, slowing down or impeding everyone else's progress and instead used it to describe a group of individuals born with a genetic disorder, giving it a negative connotation it didn't have before, which is wrong any way you look at it. Used in the right context it's a perfectly acceptable word, as is rebel.

That is where the shame lies. Hopefully now you understand my meaning!

For the record, IMO the "N" word is offensive no matter who says it. My ex common law is a black Antiguan and I never heard him refer to anyone like that, nor would he.
For clarification, here’s a good explanation from the Wikipedia:

Etymology

The word retard dates as far back as 1426. It stems from the Latin verb retardare, meaning to hinder or make slow. The English adopted the word and used it as similar meaning, slow and delayed. The first time the word "retard" was printed in American newspapers was in 1704. At this time, it was used in a way to describe the slowing down or the diminishing of something.

The first time that any form of retard was used to describe mentally disabled people was during the 1960s when "there was a push among disability advocates to use the label mental retardation". This push from advocates was because older terms for the mentally disabled, like moron, imbecile, feeble-minded and idiot, had developed negative meanings.

Retard was not used to refer to mentally disabled people until 1985. It was widely accepted to refer to people who are mentally disabled as mentally retarded, or as a retard. From there, it turned quickly into a pejorative term, as people began to use it interchangeably with words like stupid, or idiot. Many communities, particularly in North America, regard the word as no longer socially acceptable. The fact that it is still commonly used has led to a continuing debate. A common replacement is the phrase "the r-word".

Modern use

"Retard" has transitioned from an impartial term to one that is negatively loaded. For this reason, it is now widely considered degrading even when used in its original context.

Much like today's widely socially acceptable terms idiot and moron, which are also defined as some sort of mental disability, when the term retard is being used in its pejorative form, it is usually not being directed at people with mental disabilities. Instead, people use the term when teasing their friends or as a general insult when in an argument.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retard_(pejorative)

I recall it being a pejorative term by the mid-80s...

It’s not quite as simple as ‘misuse.’
 

oldjones

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Where is the direct connection with the Confederate Battle Flag in the article cited? https://www.theifp.ca/news-story/7563700-georgetown-district-high-school-rebels-no-longer/

The article indicates that it was popular movies of the time and the counterculture which came to a head at the end of the 60's which were the actual influence.

Now I will agree that it is a peculiar nickname for a Canadian school. Then again given that this is Canada rather than Brazil, why people's minds should leap to the Confederate States of America is curious.
From the cited source: "School officials actually came to a decision back in June that the word Rebels and the Georgetown District High School (GDHS) sports’ teams blue and red colours bore too close a resemblance to the controversial Confederate flag, and while that flag was removed from all school imagery nearly 30 years ago,…" and later, it quotes the Principal: “Our Rebel name with its revered historical past is tied to that Confederate flag …"

It goes beyond your question, but an Image Search for 'Georgetown District High School Rebels' brings up —



— which is indeed dated "…nearly 30 years ago" and is as direct as they come.

Given that, indeed this is Canada, it's not at all surprising to me that those who identified with teen-age rebelliousness would leap to a faddish American media symbol rather than dig through 'boring' Canadian history for one of their own.

The pity is their teachers overlooking the opportunity right in front of them.
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PS: In true Sheldon Cooper style, Googling Upper Canada Rebellion of 1837 will turn up 'our' actual Rebel flag:



http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ca-1837u.html

Never gonna see that across the hood of a souped-up '60 Meteor Rideau.
 

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Where is the direct connection with the Confederate Battle Flag in the article cited? https://www.theifp.ca/news-story/7563700-georgetown-district-high-school-rebels-no-longer/

The article indicates that it was popular movies of the time and the counterculture which came to a head at the end of the 60's which were the actual influence.

Now I will agree that it is a peculiar nickname for a Canadian school. Then again given that this is Canada rather than Brazil, why people's minds should leap to the Confederate States of America is curious.
Looks like OJ has got the evidentiary goods on this topic.

If you are as old as I am, you will recall the Confederacy being "cool" in the 60's and '70's, culminating with the Dukes of Hazzard TV show. This was the twilight of the Hollywood Western and 19th Century Americana was a big pop culture item. I still remember seeing a Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young album cover where the band - incl 1 dude from Manchester, UK and another from Toronto - were dressed as extremely sensitive looking and rather wistful Confederate Raiders, in complete Hollywood prop department regalia.

Frankly, I am surprised / not surprised that this is the topic of today on TERB. Surely the pop culture / political correctness random vagaries of how a local high school chooses its team's nickname isn't an all important discussion!
 

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Is a word like the ‘n-word’ as said by a white person another example of such ‘shame’?

It was perfectly acceptable in a society that actively sought to maintain or increase marginalization of races, genders (etc etc.)...

I see some shame here, but it’s not with those seeking to remove language with offensive contextual connotations from jerseys.

I for one am glad we go with SP or MPA instead of ‘whore’ those days.
The 'n-word', was NOT "perfectly acceptable" in Canada, never was.
 

mandrill

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The 'n-word', was NOT "perfectly acceptable" in Canada, never was.
Sure it was! Up until the 50's at least. Just ask Wing Commander Guy Gibson.
 
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