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Still, coming back to the thread, someone requested secret surveillance, someone all the way up at the DOJ and the FBI.
See Washington Post article in post #19

Someone leaked it, too- a felony.
Probably to pressure Manaford or one of the Trump team to turn state evidence.

We still don't know why it was granted and why would it be granted during an election campaign.
It wasn't, the warrant was issued months before the election started.

This case stinks to high heaven and the Manafort's possible indictment is but a side story. One thing is for sure, Trump was right about the surveillance at the Trump Tower.
No, Manafort was under surveillance, its only if he was at Trump tower a lot that Trump would have been in the story at all.

Mueller better deliver something relevant or there will be hell to pay, especially if the FISA warrant was based on the "Russian dossier" which we now know to be a fake.
The Dossier hasn't been proven fake, its still unverified.
 

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See Washington Post article in post #19


Probably to pressure Manaford or one of the Trump team to turn state evidence.


It wasn't, the warrant was issued months before the election started.


No, Manafort was under surveillance, its only if he was at Trump tower a lot that Trump would have been in the story at all.



The Dossier hasn't been proven fake, its still unverified.
The dossier is a fake, we know that because it was verified as a fake. The Trump Tower was under surveillance because Manafort has a residence there. The FISA warrant was issued twice(at least). And you cannot leak FISA info for any reason- it's a felony. The FISA request had to originate at the highest levels of the FBI which means the Director had to go to the AG to cover his behind.
 

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The dossier is a fake, we know that because it was verified as a fake. The Trump Tower was under surveillance because Manafort has a residence there. The FISA warrant was issued twice(at least). And you cannot leak FISA info for any reason- it's a felony. The FISA request had to originate at the highest levels of the FBI which means the Director had to go to the AG to cover his behind.
The dossier has not been verified as fake, in fact the senate just spent 10 hours interviewing someone who worked on it. They wouldn't have wasted their time if they knew it was fake.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/06...ump-dossier-stonewalled-senate-investigators/

Trump Tower was not under surveillance, just Trump's idiot Manaford.
 

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The dossier has not been verified as fake, in fact the senate just spent 10 hours interviewing someone who worked on it. They wouldn't have wasted their time if they knew it was fake.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/06...ump-dossier-stonewalled-senate-investigators/

Trump Tower was not under surveillance, just Trump's idiot Manaford.
LOL! We know it's a fake because a)we know where it originated and b) there are confirmed falsehoods in it, like an overseas visit of a certain individual who never left the country.
 

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LOL! We know it's a fake because a)we know where it originated and b) there are confirmed falsehoods in it, like an overseas visit of a certain individual who never left the country.
I'm sure that there are errors in it, but its most definitely not fake.
Why do you think the senate would bother wasting 10 hours of their time talking with the people behind the dossier if they knew it was fake already?
Why do you think the CIA would tell Obama and Trump about the dossier if they knew it was fake?
Why would a fake document make it all the way to the top of the intel community?
 

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Paul Manafort the former Trump campaign manager was wiretapped and has now been informed that he should be expected to be indicted. CNN and The New York Times have published bombshell reports about this investigation.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics...bshells-about-the-trump-russia-investigation/
Yes, wiretapped while working for Trump at Trump Tower and (probably) wiretapped while talking to Trump about campaign strategy. Manafort may be indicted. And Trump may have been right, once again.
 

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Yes, wiretapped while working for Trump at Trump Tower and (probably) wiretapped while talking to Trump about campaign strategy. Manafort may be indicted. And Trump may have been right, once again.
Trump shows very poor judgement in choosing his advisors.
 

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Yes, wiretapped while working for Trump at Trump Tower and (probably) wiretapped while talking to Trump about campaign strategy. Manafort may be indicted. And Trump may have been right, once again.
Depends on whether you think they planted a bug on Manafort that he walked around with or bugged his house.
 

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I'm sure that there are errors in it, but its most definitely not fake.
Why do you think the senate would bother wasting 10 hours of their time talking with the people behind the dossier if they knew it was fake already?
Why do you think the CIA would tell Obama and Trump about the dossier if they knew it was fake?
Why would a fake document make it all the way to the top of the intel community?
The dossier became news and reached where it reached because it became news. A media driven narrative in order to torpedo Trump's campaign. Congress will debate the toilet schedule, for hours. That's meaningless. What everyone is looking for is who paid for it and who shopped it. It's a side issue, anyway. What is really important is who decided to initiate the FISA warrants, on what grounds and who leaked the existence of the warrants and the contents of the wiretaps? If Trump learned about this, it was not a tightly held secret, but a political weapon. A that, in a democratic society ruled by laws, needs to be outed and prosecuted to the bitter end.
 

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Check the timeline of the Trump dossier.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/timeline-russia-trump-sex-blackmail-golden-shower-dossier-2017-1

The dossier was given to the FBI in June, then they showed it to Obama and Trump in January and then it hit the press.
The dossier made it through the best of US intel and was given to the president of the US before it was public.
The dossier was put together by Fusion GPS to derail Trump and it is has been disproven on key points. The only question remaining- who paid for it? Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen conclusively put a stake through the heart of this piece of garbage. BTW, it was Sen. McCain who claimed that it was he who gave it to the FBI. Looks like a political hit job, maybe even from both sides, but amateurishly executed.
 

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The dossier was put together by Fusion GPS to derail Trump and it is has been disproven on key points. The only question remaining- who paid for it? Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen conclusively put a stake through the heart of this piece of garbage. BTW, it was Sen. McCain who claimed that it was he who gave it to the FBI. Looks like a political hit job, maybe even from both sides, but amateurishly executed.
Pure garbage doesn't make it all the way through the FBI/CIA into a briefing with the president.
 

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Pure garbage doesn't make it all the way through the FBI/CIA into a briefing with the president.
Yes it does. Just ask the former FBI Director. The dossier was first alluded in the media in September, 2016- if I remember correctly. It was since at least then that it was circulating. Nobody had the balls to publish it, not because they were afraid, but because no one could verify anything in it. And while the NYT and the CNN had the copies, they relied on BuzzFeed as the source to run their stories. As someone once said, "A nothing burger".
 

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As even CNN has stated: This indicates that both James Comey and James Clapper gave false testimony before Congress. To claim that oh no there was no wiretapping of a Presidential Candidate (we were instead wiretapping a member of his campaign staff) is very dangerous dancing on the head of a pin).
 

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Yes it does. Just ask the former FBI Director. The dossier was first alluded in the media in September, 2016- if I remember correctly. It was since at least then that it was circulating. Nobody had the balls to publish it, not because they were afraid, but because no one could verify anything in it. And while the NYT and the CNN had the copies, they relied on BuzzFeed as the source to run their stories. As someone once said, "A nothing burger".
And once it made it to the top and the president of the US was briefed, it became public.
Since you're so sure that the dossier is bullshit and its been thoroughly investigated by the FBI and CIA then where is the statement saying its bullshit?
Surely if the CIA and FBI think its crap they would make a statement saying so for sensitive Trump's sake, wouldn't they?
 

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Yes it does. Just ask the former FBI Director. The dossier was first alluded in the media in September, 2016- if I remember correctly. It was since at least then that it was circulating. Nobody had the balls to publish it, not because they were afraid, but because no one could verify anything in it. And while the NYT and the CNN had the copies, they relied on BuzzFeed as the source to run their stories. As someone once said, "A nothing burger".
Correct, the dossier was in the media's hand for 8 months before it was published. It wasn't until the dossier made it to the top of the CIA and FBI that it was deemed worth discussing.
Then the president was notified.

So if you think its bullshit and the CIA and FBI investigated it, where is the statements from them saying its bullshit?
Surely if it was bullshit they would say so publicly for the sake of the pee party president?
 

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Correct, the dossier was in the media's hand for 8 months before it was published. It wasn't until the dossier made it to the top of the CIA and FBI that it was deemed worth discussing.
Then the president was notified.

So if you think its bullshit and the CIA and FBI investigated it, where is the statements from them saying its bullshit?
Surely if it was bullshit they would say so publicly for the sake of the pee party president?
Seriously? After the Comey fiasco? How many times he refused to say publicly that Trump was not under investigation? Even with the media running wild, proclaiming falsely to all that Trump was being investigated by the FBI. I understand that you would like those wild accusations to be true, I get it. But, after two years of investigations, so far, we got verifiable zilch.
 

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Yes, wiretapped while working for Trump at Trump Tower and (probably) wiretapped while talking to Trump about campaign strategy. Manafort may be indicted. And Trump may have been right, once again.
No indication that Trump Tower was wiretapped. Even if it was, Trump needs to get something right. He can be creative like he did so with a new country called "Nambia", where he probably believes that Obama was born there.
 

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No indication that Trump Tower was wiretapped. Even if it was, Trump needs to get something right. He can be creative like he did so with a new country called "Nambia", where he probably believes that Obama was born there.
Even CNN disagrees with you.
 
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