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In both cases Democrats being wrong.....

Federal Government has clear jurisdiction over immigration.
And which government has jurisdiction for human rights and slavery?

I think he was more than a bit over the top but it sure put the southern claims into a satirical light.
 

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And which government has jurisdiction for human rights and slavery?

I think he was more than a bit over the top but it sure put the southern claims into a satirical light.
Yes, in both cases the Democrats were wrong, then and now.
 

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An interesting take on the issue by Bill Maher.

https://youtu.be/-mDl8GqRxuw
Maher is entertaining, but his logic is shoddy. What southern states did 50 years ago: a) failed, and b) is supported by no one any longer. That can hardly provide the foundation for supporting what California is trying to do today.

I don't blame Maher for his bit, because he's really only trying to entertain (and to keep doing so, he's got to keep in the good graces of Hollywood liberals).
 

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Maher is entertaining, but his logic is shoddy. What southern states did 50 years ago: a) failed, and b) is supported by no one any longer. That can hardly provide the foundation for supporting what California is trying to do today.

I don't blame Maher for his bit, because he's really only trying to entertain (and to keep doing so, he's got to keep in the good graces of Hollywood liberals).
You obviously missed the irony in the routine.

But yes, there is a huge difference. California is fighting for human rights while the south was fighting against them.
 

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You obviously missed the irony in the routine.

But yes, there is a huge difference. California is fighting for human rights while the south was fighting against them.
If only immigration, citizenship, and national security were matters of state jurisdiction then California might have a point.
 

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If only immigration, citizenship, and national security were matters of state jurisdiction then California might have a point.
Yes they do. California has no right to set up border posts and decide who enters California from Mexico. They do have complete right to determine who is eligible to receive social services, how state police implement the laws, over health care, over the definition of marriage, and all those other things.
 

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Yes they do. California has no right to set up border posts and decide who enters California from Mexico. They do have complete right to determine who is eligible to receive social services, how state police implement the laws, over health care, over the definition of marriage, and all those other things.
We can test that when the pot business want to make a bank deposit.
 

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Hmm. Learn something new every day. It seems that Obama made it legal but the banks are still worried.
 

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Yes they do. California has no right to set up border posts and decide who enters California from Mexico. They do have complete right to determine who is eligible to receive social services, how state police implement the laws, over health care, over the definition of marriage, and all those other things.
None of which are immigration, citizenship or national security - and no, California cannot admit people from Mexico in defiance of federal national security laws.
 

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None of which are immigration, citizenship or national security - and no, California cannot admit people from Mexico in defiance of federal national security laws.
Right. But they can choose not to ask about immigration status while providing the services that fall under their purview.
 

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Hmm. Learn something new every day. It seems that Obama made it legal but the banks are still worried.
They don’t believe in his imperial magic wand either.
 
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