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Recovering alcoholic to launch court fight against rule barring him from transplant

Should the law be changed to make an exception for this man?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 19.0%
  • No

    Votes: 17 81.0%

  • Total voters
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Galseigin

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Short version: Cary is an alcoholic that needs a liver transplant because he's dying, the rules for transplants in Ontario are that you need to be 6 months sober to receive a transplant...but he may not last another 4 months needed to get a liver.
Should the laws be changed to accommodate this guy because he's dying? I know that cirrhosis is not a fast disease, he had the illness for quite some time..he sobered up only 2 months ago. My thoughts are that surely there must be other people waiting in line for a liver transplant....did he sober up too late? Should we make an exception for this guy that may not survive another 4 months?

Policy requires that patients with alcohol-linked liver disease be sober six months before getting on transplant list, but Cary Gallant’s lawyer says the rule is unfounded

Cary Gallant’s alcoholic liver disease is so advanced, doctors say the Sault Ste. Marie, Ont., man has just a 25-per-cent chance of surviving the next six months.
One thing — an organ transplant — could save his life. But it’s not an option, a long-standing rule stipulating that such patients be sober six months before being considered for the procedure.
So in what appears to be an unprecedented legal tactic, Gallant plans to ask the courts next week for an injunction forcing provincial authorities to place him onto Ontario’s transplant list.
The 45-year-old’s lawyer, Michael Fenrick, said he’s unaware of any other attempt to have a Canadian made eligible for a transplant through judicial order.
The injunction request is part of a constitutional challenge of a policy Fenrick says has no foundation in science, but much to do with the stigma around drinking-related illness.

“This is really his only and best hope, sadly,” the lawyer said. “In order to be listed for a transplant in the first place, you’re likely in a situation where your life is in grave and imminent peril … People in this situation most often can’t wait six months.”

The court application, to be filed early next week, does not ask that Gallant be allowed to jump the queue for an organ, only be assessed under the same criteria as patients with other types of liver disease, said Fenrick.
“He doesn’t (necessarily) get an organ out of this, but at least he gets over that insurmountable hurdle created by the policy,” said the lawyer. “And maybe then his life will be saved.”

Officials with the Trillium Gift of Life Network, the provincial agency that oversees the transplant system in Ontario, were not available for comment Thursday.
Ontario and most other jurisdictions throughout the Western world follow a policy that requires patients suffering from advanced, alcohol-linked liver disease to be abstinent for six months before being considered for a transplant.
The oft-stated rationale is that patients would otherwise be likely to start drinking again after their operation, putting their new organ in danger and potentially squandering a scarce resource.
Transplant administrators also worry that opening the system wider might deter people from agreeing to donate organs.

But Fenrick said a growing body of evidence suggests alcoholic patients are just as likely to do well after a liver transplant as others, and that only a small percentage revert to drinking.
A 2013 journal paper by six Canadian experts called the policy discrimination, noting that even those who take up alcohol again consume small amounts that are unlikely to harm their new liver.

Fenrick argues the six-month abstinence rule violates constitutional equality rights — which bar discrimination on the basis of disability — and the right to life, liberty and security of the person.
Gallant — who has struggled with drinking for 20 years — was admitted to hospital in July suffering from jaundice, and eventually diagnosed with alcoholic cirrhosis of the liver, alcoholic hepatitis and related conditions.
He has been sober since July 8, but doctors told him early last month that he had a 75-per-cent chance of dying within six months if he doesn’t get a new liver.
His 74-year-old mother, a retired medical secretary who lost another son to bronchial pneumonia in 2013 and looks after a daughter with multiple sclerosis, is now also caring for Gallant at her home.

http://nationalpost.com/health/reco...barring-him-from-life-saving-liver-transplant
 

basketcase

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If there is a lengthy waiting list, I would expect the criteria include the likelihood that the recipient will go right back to the behaviour that caused the harm in the first place. Maybe an exclusion policy isn't the best way but I would expect him to be pretty low on the priority list.
 

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A tough ethical question in my opinion. Many people are in the situation they are in because of choices they have made. That is one issue. Another is the likelihood of the person going back to the old behavior and destroying the new liver.

Lifestyle choices are not always black and white....for example with sugar and carbs and the link to diabetes there is a lot more science now to back up the claim of danger. And one could have argued a few years ago that a refusal to cut out animal fats was just asking for heart attack/stroke, etc. Now that link is not quite so clear... perhaps it was total fat intake, or even as much related to carb intake as fat intake. Anyway...if we chose to withhold medical treatment because of lifestyle choices a lot of us could be in trouble somewhere. On the other hand...when there is a choice between giving a liver to an otherwise healthy sixteen year old versus a 70 year old alcoholic who stopped drinking a month ago hoping to qualify for a liver....I guess I would argue for the kid.
 

rhuarc29

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No, I think the rule is a valid one. Heck, I think 6 months may even be too short.

So type 2 diabetes, lung cancer, sports injuries should not be covered either ?
The difference is spare livers are a finite resource in a way other medical care is not. In the future, if we can grow livers outside the human body, this may become a moot issue.
 

Galseigin

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No, I think the rule is a valid one. Heck, I think 6 months may even be too short.



The difference is spare livers are a finite resource in a way other medical care is not. In the future, if we can grow livers outside the human body, this may become a moot issue.
Agreed, far too short of a period.
But what about guys that think that alcoholism is a disease and should be treated like diabetes etc? Insurance companies in USA pay big bucks to send people to rehab, if it wasn't a disease I doubt they would be paying for it..
 

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My opinion,...

But what about guys that think that alcoholism is a disease and should be treated like diabetes etc? Insurance companies in USA pay big bucks to send people to rehab, if it wasn't a disease I doubt they would be paying for it..
I don't know which side of the,... " I have the alcoholic disease" debate you are on.

But as far as I'm concerned,... a profession that tells any alcoholic that they are not responsible because they have the alcoholic disease, or the shopaholic disease, or the obese disease,... although that one seems to be contagious,... is lying to the public,... and also creating an easy out for the irresponsible.

But I guess its unkind to call some one an addict.
 

Galseigin

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I don't know which side of the,... " I have the alcoholic disease" debate you are on.

But as far as I'm concerned,... a profession that tells any alcoholic that they are not responsible because they have the alcoholic disease, or the shopaholic disease, or the obese disease,... although that one seems to be contagious,... is lying to the public,... and also creating an easy out for the irresponsible.

But I guess its unkind to call some one an addict.
I agree that they went overboard with this disease thing with everything, and if its uncontrollable then why do some stop? If there were unlimited livers I would give the guy a liver....

But some ...can't stop...is it possible that all these mothers that sell out their own children are just horrible mothers. We know that Maternal instinct is huge...but something overrides it...
 

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basketcase

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alcoholics started out as social drinkers
Another gem from our local philosopher.

Alcoholism is an addiction. It has it's basis in chemical and emotional imbalances. I think the medical profession should help people kick the addictions and I have no issue with addicts getting transplants as long as there is sufficient supply.
 

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Triage is triage. Someone with a history of alcoholism, who has not yet been sober for six months is unfortunately statistically likely to again have drinking problems.

Further patients needing to have a liver transplant due to cirrhosis have a drastically lower one year survival rate than those having transplants for other reasons such as Hepatitis C.

Can't find statistics for Canada, but in the U.S. there is about a 17,000 patient waiting list for liver transplants.
 

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Triage is triage. Someone with a history of alcoholism, who has not yet been sober for six months is unfortunately statistically likely to again have drinking problems.

Further patients needing to have a liver transplant due to cirrhosis have a drastically lower one year survival rate than those having transplants for other reasons such as Hepatitis C.

Can't find statistics for Canada, but in the U.S. there is about a 17,000 patient waiting list for liver transplants.
I think you need to get your facts right. Almost all liver transplants are due to cirrhosis ( which has many causes). Transplants for alcoholic liver disease apparently do as well or better than any other reason to have a transplant. Patients transplanted for alcoholic liver disease have a very low rate of going back to problem drinking (as the article states), contrary to lay wisdom. Even if they do, very few will need another transplant. Guess how most people got hep C? Addiction, leading to injecting drugs.

You are correct in saying that the longer someone is sober, the longer they will stay sober. But this is not a reason to condemn those who are not and could be saved by a transplant, to death.

In my view transplants should be allotted to those who will have the greatest benefit. Most transplants are actually needed for diseases where "lifestyle choices) are a factor.
 

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Another gem from our local philosopher.

Alcoholism is an addiction. It has it's basis in chemical and emotional imbalances. I think the medical profession should help people kick the addictions and I have no issue with addicts getting transplants as long as there is sufficient supply.
So at no point the addict is accountable for his decisions?
 

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The rule should not be changed for this guy. He didn't stop drinking till his liver was totally fucked so now he thinks there should be a exemption in the rule for him. He gets no sympathy from me. No one forced him to drink, he did that on his own.
I was an alcoholic myself back in my late 20's and early 30's. Almost fucked my life up totally but stopped drinking and straightened out. Didn't drink for years but now I'm able to have a couple drinks on occasion with no cravings to drink, drink, drink.
 

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The rule should not be changed for this guy. He didn't stop drinking till his liver was totally fucked so now he thinks there should be a exemption in the rule for him. He gets no sympathy from me. No one forced him to drink, he did that on his own.
I was an alcoholic myself back in my late 20's and early 30's. Almost fucked my life up totally but stopped drinking and straightened out. Didn't drink for years but now I'm able to have a couple drinks on occasion with no cravings to drink, drink, drink.
Agreed.

So many examples of irresponsible "adults" who think I should pay for their choice of a fucked up life style.

You are a good example of a responsible adult, who took care of a personal problem without having some one say,... "you have a disease, its not your fault".
 
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