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I think he's right, he got China and Russia to follow along but it's going to have to get much tougher to get the lil chubster to reconsider.....

Trump says tougher steps needed on North Korea after new U.N. sanctions

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Tuesday the U.N. sanctions on North Korea agreed this week were a small step and nothing compared to what would have to happen to deal with the country’s nuclear program.

U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin warned China, North Korea’s main ally and trading partner, that if it did not follow through on the new measures, Washington would “put additional sanctions on them and prevent them from accessing the U.S. and international dollar system.”

Another senior administration official told Reuters any such “secondary sanctions” on Chinese banks and other companies were on hold for now to give time for China to show it was prepared to fully enforce the latest and previous rounds of sanctions.

The U.N. Security Council voted unanimously to boost sanctions on North Korea on Monday, banning its textile exports and capping fuel supplies, drawing from Pyongyang a threat of retaliation against the United States.

The U.N. action was triggered by North Korea’s sixth and largest nuclear test this month. It was the ninth Security Council sanctions resolution over North Korea’s ballistic missile and nuclear programs since 2006.

A tougher initial U.S. draft was weakened to win the support of China and Russia, both of which hold U.N. veto power. Significantly, it stopped short of imposing a full embargo on oil exports to North Korea, most of which come from China.

“We think it’s just another very small step, not a big deal,” Trump told reporters at the start of a meeting with Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak.

”I don’t know if it has any impact, but certainly it was nice to get a 15-to-nothing vote, but those sanctions are nothing compared to what ultimately will have to happen,” said Trump, who has vowed not to allow North Korea to develop a nuclear missile capable of hitting the United States.

Asked if Trump was considering other actions, including cutting off Chinese banks from the U.S. financial system, White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said: “All options are on the table. The president has also said that he wants every country involved to step up and do more.”

Washington so far has mostly held off on new sanctions against Chinese banks and other companies doing business with North Korea, given fears of retaliation by Beijing and possibly far-reaching effects on the world economy.

Russia and China both say they respect U.N. sanctions and have called on the United States to return to negotiations with North Korea.

CHINA AND NORTH KOREA

U.S. President Donald Trump waits to greet Malaysia's Prime Minister Najib Razak at the White House in Washington, U.S. September 12, 2017. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst
Trump is likely to make a stop in China in November during his first official visit to Asia. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson held talks in Washington on Tuesday with China’s top diplomat, State Councilor Yang Jiechi, at which details of the trip were expected to be discussed.

The State Department said Joseph Yun, the U.S. special representative for North Korean policy, was in Moscow on Tuesday for talks with Russian officials.

North Korea said its Sept. 3 test was of an advanced hydrogen bomb and it was its most powerful nuclear blast by far. It has also tested a missile capable of reaching the United States, but experts say it is likely to be at least a year before it can field an operational nuclear missile that could threaten America.

The North Korean ambassador to the United Nations in Geneva, Han Tae Song, rejected the U.N. resolution as “illegal and unlawful” and said Washington was “fired up for political, economic, and military confrontation.”

North Korea is “ready to use a form of ultimate means,” Han said. “The forthcoming measures ... will make the U.S. suffer the greatest pain it ever experienced in its history.”

Han did not elaborate, but North Korea frequently vows to destroy the United States.

The latest U.N. resolution calls on countries to inspect vessels at sea, with the consent of the flag state, if they have reasonable grounds to believe ships are carrying prohibited cargo to North Korea.

It also bans joint ventures with North Korean entities, except for nonprofit public utility infrastructure projects, and prohibits countries from bringing in new North Korean workers.

U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said the sanctions could eventually starve North Korea of an additional $500 million or more in annual revenue. The United States has said that a previous round of sanctions agreed in August was aimed at cutting North Korea’s $3 billion in exports by a third.

Joseph DeThomas, a former State Department official who worked on Iran and North Korea sanctions, questioned whether the new steps would have a major impact, saying the labor ban would be almost impossible to police and that trade statistics greatly overstated North Korea’s earnings from textiles.

Another senior administration conceded the new sanctions would not be enough in themselves to change North Korea’s behavior, but would help measure compliance with U.N. restrictions by other countries.

Frustrated U.S. lawmakers called at a House hearing on Tuesday for a “supercharged” response to North Korea and said Washington should act alone if necessary to stiffen sanctions on Chinese firms and any country doing business with Pyongyang.

At the hearing, U.S. officials released intelligence findings they said showed how North Korea smuggles coal and other commodities to Russia and China.
 

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If you applied sanctions so tough that only one person could eat a meal - that person would be Kim Jong-un
 

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Do not confuse bluster with policy.
You mean Trump has no policy?

Trump sounds pretty crazy right now.
U.S. President Donald Trump warned on Tuesday that the United States will be forced to "totally destroy" North Korea unless Pyongyang backs down from its nuclear standoff, mocking North Korean leader Kim Jong-un as a "rocket man" on a suicide mission.

Loud murmurs filled the green-marbled UN General Assembly hall when Trump issued his sternest warning yet to North Korea, whose ballistic missile launches and nuclear tests have rattled the globe.

Unless North Korea backs down, he said, "We will have no choice than to totally destroy North Korea."

"Rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself and his regime," he said.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-united-nations-general-assembly-north-korea-1.4296478
 

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I never imagined an American president using words from Hitler: Ausradieren
 

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I never imagined an American president using words from Hitler: Ausradieren
When a stalemate's bitter enough and has lasted long enough it's inevitable that one of the parties will sound like Hitler and that another will call them on it.

How did that punish-the-Allies-for-winning-the-previous-war-then-botching-the-peace-thing work for the Fuehrer? 'Cause both Dear Leaders are playing that game. Think Kim's a student of history? Think Trump would recognize a botched peace if it sat on him and grabbed his weenie?

It's not like sanctions will work; Kim's Daddy contentedly let the country starve and still wouldn't give in. And as for making threats, aren't Kim's "…very real and dangerous" threats what's got Wee Donny so aroused and making his own? Does he really imagine that stuff will work better on Kim? They already had the US bomb the snot outta them and invade.

What Korea needs is their equivalent of the Good Friday Agreement, and there's no on on the scene to get them there.
 

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While the administration is taking a more credible threat line with Rocket Man than any prior administration, I think it would be a mistake to call it bluster.

Haley: If diplomacy doesn't work, Mattis will 'take care of' North Korea

Julia Manchester09/17/17 09:31 AM EDT
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said that if diplomatic measures with North Korea continue to fail, Defense Secretary James Mattis is ready to "take care" of the situation.

"We wanted to be responsible and go through all diplomatic means to get their attention first. If that doesn't work, Gen. Mattis will take care of it," Haley told CNN's Dana Bash on "State of the Union."

"If North Korea keeps on with this reckless behavior, the United States has to defend itself or defend its allies in anyway, North Korea will be destroyed, and we know that and none of us want that. None of us want war," she continued.

Haley's comments come days after North Korea launched its second ballistic missile over Japanese airspace in a month.
The international community has looked to increase pressure on Pyongyang after the nation conducted a nuclear test earlier this month. North Korea claimed it successfully tested a hydrogen bomb.

North Korea's rapidly increasing nuclear aggression spurred international condemnation and fresh United Nations Security Council sanctions. Haley said "everybody" agrees the intense sanctions placed on North Korea are a big deal, despite President Trump questioning their impact earlier in the week.

“It’s just another very small step. Not a big deal," he told reporters. "I don’t know if it has any impact, but certainly it was nice to get a 15-0 vote."

Trump has repeatedly refused to rule out a military strike on North Korea's nuclear facilities.

The president said last August if the country continued to threaten the U.S. and its allies, the U.S. would respond with "fire and fury."

"It was not an empty threat," Haley said Sunday of the president's comment.

Appearing Sunday on ABC's "This Week," Trump's national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, reiterated that "all options are on the table" when it comes to addressing the North Korean threat.
 

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Trouble is, the US (operating under the umbrella of the UN, and with a whole whack of NATO allies) already 'took care of' North Korea once, and it didn't do any lasting good. Trump and his smarter generals aren't talking about doing anything different now. But now, not only does North Korea still have its smarter, bigger older brother to the north just like last time, this time it also has its very own atomic weapons, and launch systems.

And unlike the United States, it's all too familiar with what war brings down on a people.

When Trump, or anyone has a plan to do better than last time, to win peace instead of battles, then he'll be worth listening to.
 

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One can test the patience of 'Maddox' Mattis for so long. I pray that Rocket Man comes to his senses sooner than later.
 

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Trump is all bluster, he's a total bullshit artist.
Who would believe his threats?
It's sorta too late to matter whether Kim believes or not, he thought he needed nukes, now he has them. The question now is whether Trump and his Mad Dogs believe they can nuke him before his missiles launch.

Afterwards? Well it'll be a Whole Different World won't it? Too bad no one asked, what'll it take for you to calm down and talk?
 

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Afterwards? Well it'll be a Whole Different World won't it? Too bad no one asked, what'll it take for you to calm down and talk?
Diplomacy with NK started many administrations ago. It didn't work. That's why NK has nukes today.
 

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Diplomacy with NK started many administrations ago. It didn't work. That's why NK has nukes today.
Hot air from Trump won't change that.

There are no logistical preparations, no evacuation of Americans, no movement of South Koreans to safer places. Just talk.
 

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Hot air from Trump won't change that.

There are no logistical preparations, no evacuation of Americans, no movement of South Koreans to safer places. Just talk.
I think the US would just target nuclear/missile/military bases in North Korea for starters. The damage and life lost would be minimal.
 

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I think the US would just target nuclear/missile/military bases in North Korea for starters. The damage and life lost would be minimal.
Unless the US's intel isn't correct and they have some nukes hidden.
Then it would be a nuclear war.

Big risk.
 

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A few things.

1. North Korea offered to stop it's nuclear program in 1993 and early 2000's. America said no.

2. An attack on North Korea and Tokyo and Seoul are gone in twenty minutes. For those that think the loss of life would be minimal.

3. North Korea has seen what happens to countries that don't have nuclear weapons. Think Libya and Iraq. North Korea would rather eat grass than give up their nuclear weapons.
 

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Diplomacy with NK started many administrations ago. It didn't work. That's why NK has nukes today.
What you call 'diplomacy' they call beating them into submission so they'll give up their goal of one united Korea. They have nukes to-day, because Presidents like Truman and Eisenhower (and every President since) who they see as the bullies who organized the beatings have always threatened them with nukes. Using the same logic as makes the average American household an armed fortress, the North part of Korea was willing to starve itself to acquire atomic weapons of its own. Unlike the US, they're dedicated.

The trouble with the American's idea of diplomacy is that what the North kept saying they wanted was re-unification, and — as in Viet Nam a little later — the US couldn't bear the possibility that the people might prefer a Communist Korea. And the North couldn't allow the CIA's version of a 'free' campaign for a referendum.

But s'pose we all agree diplomacy won't work. Tell us how nuking Pyongyang will. Or is the US gonna do like Japan in the Thirties and invade and occupy the North like they have the South?

For how long d'ya think?
 

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USA completely devastated North Korea once, every single building and all infrastructure destroyed. Now Trump is threatening to "ausradier" them again.

Is it surprising that they are dedicated to develop a nuclear deterrence??
 

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What you call 'diplomacy' they call beating them into submission so they'll give up their goal of one united Korea. They have nukes to-day, because Presidents like Truman and Eisenhower (and every President since) who they see as the bullies who organized the beatings have always threatened them with nukes. Using the same logic as makes the average American household an armed fortress, the North part of Korea was willing to starve itself to acquire atomic weapons of its own. Unlike the US, they're dedicated.

The trouble with the American's idea of diplomacy is that what the North kept saying they wanted was re-unification, and — as in Viet Nam a little later — the US couldn't bear the possibility that the people might prefer a Communist Korea. And the North couldn't allow the CIA's version of a 'free' campaign for a referendum.

But s'pose we all agree diplomacy won't work. Tell us how nuking Pyongyang will. Or is the US gonna do like Japan in the Thirties and invade and occupy the North like they have the South?

For how long d'ya think?
What sane people would resist this outcome.....

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3...age/2014/02/25/08/v4-North-Korea-at-night.jpg
 
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