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Bannon: "The Republican establishment is trying to nullify the 2016 election."

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In the same speech Bannon said that firing Comey was the biggest mistake in modern political history.

Do you agree?
 

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I totally buy that line of reasoning. The Republican legislative efforts have been flaccid, to put it politely. The Republican support for the President has been patchy and, at times, hostile. Which I don't understand since their poll numbers are way below Trump's and he certainly has a mandate from the Republican voters.
 

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In the same speech Bannon said that firing Comey was the biggest mistake in modern political history.

Do you agree?
Not yet it isn't. But this hasn't played out so we shall see in the fullness of time.
 

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I totally buy that line of reasoning. The Republican legislative efforts have been flaccid, to put it politely. The Republican support for the President has been patchy and, at times, hostile. Which I don't understand since their poll numbers are way below Trump's and he certainly has a mandate from the Republican voters.
That line of reasoning just excuses Trump's total ineptitude.
Trump tried to repeal and replace, but he had absolutely no clue what the present legislation was, what it should be replaced with and why. He just let someone else write it up as they saw fit, complained it was 'mean' and put no effort into fixing it or implementing it.

Trump's failure has been his own doing.
 

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That line of reasoning just excuses Trump's total ineptitude.
Trump tried to repeal and replace, but he had absolutely no clue what the present legislation was, what it should be replaced with and why. He just let someone else write it up as they saw fit, complained it was 'mean' and put no effort into fixing it or implementing it.

Trump's failure has been his own doing.
After you learn how laws are passed in the American republic, do come back.
 

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After you learn how laws are passed in the American republic, do come back.
When you find the text of the healthcare legislation Trump wanted, do post a link to it in this thread. Few people have ever hired so many lawyers; no reason a couple of them coudn't have done a draft.

The only thing wrong with Frankfooter's summary is that he should have said Trump and the Party had absolutely no clue "…what it should be replaced with and why".

Like climate change they hadda be agin healthcare 'cause the damn Dems were for it, and beating Dems is all they care about. Meanwhile the country they were elected to actually govern slides slowly down the rankings of the developed nations on measure after measure that we have, and they and the third world don't.

Always looking for hope: Trump who was first a Dem, them a Perot Reformer, wasn't afraid to dump the ineffectual Party he took over, when he could get some Dems to do the job he saw he needed, and the GOP right-wing clearly wasn't gonna do.

It's called governing.
 

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I totally buy that line of reasoning. The Republican legislative efforts have been flaccid, to put it politely. The Republican support for the President has been patchy and, at times, hostile. Which I don't understand since their poll numbers are way below Trump's and he certainly has a mandate from the Republican voters.

Could it be because trump is not a Republican?
 

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Could it be because trump is not a Republican?
Bingo! He is the first independent President since, what, the civil war?

And that's why he got in.
 

jcpro

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Bingo! He is the first independent President since, what, the civil war?

And that's why he got in.
The question is, can he remake the Republican Party fast enough to save his presidency?
 

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After you learn how laws are passed in the American republic, do come back.
Trump was elected as a Republican president, a party that enjoys a majority.
Trump couldn't write or argue coherently for his repeal and replace, his total incompetence on any serious policy issue has made him fail to even get his majority party to pass anything.
That's on him, not the party.
 

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Trump was elected as a Republican president, a party that enjoys a majority.
Trump couldn't write or argue coherently for his repeal and replace, his total incompetence on any serious policy issue has made him fail to even get his majority party to pass anything.
That's on him, not the party.
Not that the Party managed to pull anything together that even they would all vote for and pass. Neither Trump nor the Party he did his hostile takeover on ever had a platform of projects they would accomplish to make America great again. All they had was resentment and anger at being passed over and losing election after election.

He and they managed to find the same anger among enough right-wing haters of blacks, women, immigrants and foreigners who they blamed for stealing their jobs, and channeled it alongside Party loyalty and establishment electoral stratagems to put together enough Electoral votes to shove Trump into the White House over the expressed opposition of a decided majority of Americans. So they lost, and Trump and 'his' Party won.

But now they haven't shown a hope of turning all that varied and inchoate anger into anything like a program that would leave the nation better than when they found it. If they suggest a progressive step, their reactionary wing shoots that foot to halt them, and if they settle for stalling at the minimum, their thinkers shoot that foot to get them moving.

The only thing that 'team' has been good for so far, is winning. Too bad the only way they knew how to do it was by tearing down everyone else. They won by making most Americans lose.

And Trump was only the figurehead, without the Party, Donald Trump would have been another Ross Perot or George Wallace. Now he lines up with Nixon and Dubya.
 

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They started with something too hard. They need to let Obamacare continue its decline until the voters are screaming for a fix. Ryan was right, it was a rescue mission but the patient (pun intended) doesn't yet know they are terminal.

Mitch and John are doing a poor job of managing their majority, they will need to deliver tax reform to build momentum for the mid terms in less than 14 months.
 

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Bingo! He is the first independent President since, what, the civil war?

And that's why he got in.
LOL. The only independence he has is independence from information, policy, intellect or the temperament that people should expect from the POTUS.
 

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They started with something too hard. They need to let Obamacare continue its decline until the voters are screaming for a fix. Ryan was right, it was a rescue mission but the patient (pun intended) doesn't yet know they are terminal.

Mitch and John are doing a poor job of managing their majority, they will need to deliver tax reform to build momentum for the mid terms in less than 14 months.
Being President seems to be too hard for Trump.

He failed to lead. He said he had a plan. He said he had ideas. He campaigned on being able to make a deal on healthcare and he said he had a better proposal.

But he never said what that better idea was.

People voted for REPLACE, he promised everyone would have healthcare.

Then he claimed it was all up to Congress??? Blamed McConnell??? Really?????

Where was Trump's plan???

It failed because nobody wants repeal except a few extremist kooks. Trump didn't campaign on repeal. He campaigned on replace, people voted for REPLACE.

Where is his proposal?

Of course it got bogged down when there way no leadership at all coming from the Whitehouse and of course Congress is divided. The solution is a President who leads, who peddles a better idea, who sends a draft to Congress and then goes on TV to explain to the people why it's better. That never happened.

No leadership.
 

Butler1000

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LOL. The only independence he has is independence from information, policy, intellect or the temperament that people should expect from the POTUS.
Sure. Which takes nothing away from the comment. He is still in essence an independent. Politicians should look to his example to run as well.
 

toguy5252

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Sure. Which takes nothing away from the comment. He is still in essence an independent. Politicians should look to his example to run as well.
The guy is an idiot. He is the exemplar of the loss of American exceptionalism and the end of the American era. Sad,
 

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Sure. Which takes nothing away from the comment. He is still in essence an independent. Politicians should look to his example to run as well.
He's not "independent". He's just not doing the job. He's more interested in photo ops, preening, and collecting followers on Twitter, than in doing the job.

He sat there doing nothing through the healthcare debate. Nothing. Posed for a few photos, wrote some inflammatory tweets. He's a celebrity President who likes the status and trappings of the office but can't or won't do the work.

Never sent a proposal of his own, never advocated for an idea on TV. He couldn't even be bothered to hire somebody to do that, like Reagan did with trickle down.
 

Butler1000

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The guy is an idiot. He is the exemplar of the loss of American exceptionalism and the end of the American era. Sad,
An idiot who despite all odds and with every political establishment working against him won the presidency. How idiotic are the political institutions that they couldn't stop it?

And by institutions I mean both Parties and the Media.

As I've oft stated. Trump isn't the disease. He the bad self medication the patient takes when the two doctors in charge are more interested in the billing of the patient rather than the treatment.
 
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