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Saudi Arabia financed a dry run of 9/11 in 1999

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New evidence in a 9/11 lawsuit against the government of Saudi Arabia alleges the kingdom's embassy in Washington, DC may have funded a test run for the deadly attacks in 2001, according to a US newspaper report.

The evidence was submitted as part of a class action lawsuit against the government of Saudi Arabia, the New York Post reported on Saturday.

It alleges the embassy paid for two Saudi nationals to fly from Phoenix to Washington two years before planes hit the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and slammed into a field in Pennsylvania as part of a "dry run" for the attacks.

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During the flight in November 1999, the Saudis are reported to have attempted to get into the plane's cockpit to test security. The pilots made an emergency landing because of the incident and the men were interrogated by the FBI, which eventually let them go.

According to the Post story, the FBI confirmed the men's airline tickets were paid for by the Saudi embassy in Washington.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/saudi-embassy-funded-911-dry-run-report-170909223532351.html

So why has the US continued to ignore Saudi involvement, instead attacking Afghanistan and Iraq?
Who knew what?
 

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Of course some factions in Saudi were involved. Why weren't they attacked? Geopolitics (oil) and other Saudi factions actually support the US.
 

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Of course some factions in Saudi were involved. Why weren't they attacked? Geopolitics (oil) and other Saudi factions actually support the US.
According to the reports it wasn't 'factions', it was the Saudi government backing them.
Citing FBI documents, the complaint alleges that the Saudi students — Mohammed al-Qudhaeein and Hamdan al-Shalawi — were in fact members of “the Kingdom’s network of agents in the US,” and participated in the terrorist conspiracy.

They had trained at al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan at the same time some of the hijackers were there. And while living in Arizona, they had regular contacts with a Saudi hijacker pilot and a senior al Qaeda leader from Saudi now incarcerated at Gitmo. At least one tried to re-enter the US a month before the attacks as a possible muscle hijacker but was denied admission because he appeared on a terrorist watch list.

Qudhaeein and Shalawi both worked for and received money from the Saudi government, with Qudhaeein employed at the Ministry of Islamic Affairs. Shalawi was also “a longtime employee of the Saudi government.” The pair were in “frequent contact” with Saudi officials while in the US, according to the filings.

During a November 1999 America West flight to Washington, Qudhaeein and Shalawi are reported to have tried multiple times to gain access to the cockpit of the plane in an attempt to test flight-deck security in advance of the hijackings.


“After they boarded the plane in Phoenix, they began asking the flight attendants technical questions about the flight that the flight attendants found suspicious,” according to a summary of the FBI case files.

“When the plane was in flight, al-Qudhaeein asked where the bathroom was; one of the flight attendants pointed him to the back of the plane,” it added. “Nevertheless, al-Qudhaeein went to the front of the plane and attempted on two occasions to enter the cockpit.”

The pilots were so spooked by the Saudi passengers and their aggressive behavior that they made an emergency landing in Ohio. On the ground there, police handcuffed them and took them into custody. Though the FBI later questioned them, it decided not to pursue prosecution.

But after the FBI discovered that a suspect in a counterterrorism investigation in Phoenix was driving Shalawi’s car, the bureau opened a counterterrorism case on Shalawi. Then, in November 2000, the FBI received reporting that Shalawi trained at terrorist camps in Afghanistan and had received explosives training to perform attacks on American targets. The bureau also suspected Qudhaeein was a Saudi intelligence agent, based on his frequent contact with Saudi officials.

More, investigators learned that the two Saudis traveled to Washington to attend a symposium hosted by the Saudi Embassy in collaboration with the Institute for Islamic and Arabic Sciences in America, which was chaired by the Saudi ambassador. Before being shut down for terrorist ties, IIASA employed the late al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki as a lecturer. Awlaki ministered to some of the hijackers and helped them obtain housing and IDs.

The FBI also confirmed that Qudhaeein’s and Shalawi’s airline tickets for the pre-9/11 dry run were paid for by the Saudi Embassy.

“The dry run reveals more of the fingerprints of the Saudi government,” said Kristen Breitweiser, one of the New York plaintiffs, whose husband perished at the World Trade Center.

“These guys were Saudi government employees for years and were paid by the Saudi government,” she added. “In fact, the Saudi Embassy paid for their plane tickets for the dry run.”

After the Nov. 19, 1999, incident — which took place less than two months before the first hijackers entered the US — both Saudi men held posts as Saudi government employees at the Imam Muhammad Ibn Saudi Islamic University, the parent of IIASA — “a further indication of their longstanding ties to the Saudi government,” the 9/11 complaint states.

Carter said in an interview that the allegations that the Saudi Embassy sponsored a pre-9/11 dry run — along with charges of other Saudi involvement in the 9/11 plot, from California to Florida — are based on “nearly 5,000 pages of evidence submitted of record and incorporated by reference into the complaint.”

They include “every FBI report that we have been able to obtain,” though hundreds of thousands of pages of government documents related to Saudi terror funding remain secret.
http://nypost.com/2017/09/09/saudi-government-allegedly-funded-a-dry-run-for-911/
 

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Saudi Arabia is isolating Qatar, accusing it of sponsoring terrorism - isn't that peachy!

The real reason the Saudi's are putting pressure on Qatar: they want to silence al - Jazeera.
 

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Saudi Arabia is isolating Qatar, accusing it of sponsoring terrorism - isn't that peachy!

The real reason the Saudi's are putting pressure on Qatar: they want to silence al - Jazeera.
I would think Qatar's ties with Iran are more significant than a news outlet.
 

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I would think Qatar's ties with Iran are more significant than a news outlet.
I would think Saudi's ties with 9/11 would be more significant then anything Qatar is accused of at this point.
What do you think Qatar has done that's worse then 9/11?
 

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Why is Iran the bogeyman when al - Qaeda, the Taliban and ISIS are spin offs of Wahhabism?

Countries like Qatar and especially Oman have had traditional good relations with Iran. It was the Persians that helped these countries resist Ottoman conquest.
 

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Why is Iran the bogeyman when al - Qaeda, the Taliban and ISIS are spin offs of Wahhabism?

Countries like Qatar and especially Oman have had traditional good relations with Iran. It was the Persians that helped these countries resist Ottoman conquest.
Don't know.. personalities they should lump any ANy countries who believes & practices in sharia law should be lump as a the bogeyman / terorrist countries!
 

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I would think Saudi's ties with 9/11 would be more significant then anything Qatar is accused of at this point.
What do you think Qatar has done that's worse then 9/11?
To the US? Nothing but you are asking as silly question. The US isn't looking at attacking Qatar last I heard. In case you missed it, Saudi and Iran are battling for regional supremacy. That is why both are involved in Syria and why Qatar is significant to Saudi.

And yes, it would be factions within the Saudi government. Other factions support positive relations with the US because they realize those relations are the source of their wealth.
 

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Why is Iran the bogeyman when al - Qaeda, the Taliban and ISIS are spin offs of Wahhabism?

Countries like Qatar and especially Oman have had traditional good relations with Iran. It was the Persians that helped these countries resist Ottoman conquest.
Other than Iran actually having national organization, a military, a nuclear program, and advanced missile program and the others you mention don't?
 

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To the US? Nothing
Thanks for confirming that Qatar isn't a threat to the US or us for that matter.
Now the question is why do you keep complaining about Iran instead of Saudi Arabia, whose support of 9/11 is becoming very clear.

If you're concerned about support of terrorism and radicals, sounds like Saudi should be your target, not Iran.
Theresa May has rejected an appeal from survivors of the 9/11 attacks to make public a suppressed report into the role of Saudi Arabia in funding Islamist extremism in the UK.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ect-terrorism-latest-complicity-a7898816.html
 

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It is more than a bit of a stretch to describe this episode as a "dry run" for 9/11. Suspicious you bet, but a dry run, no when all they did was try the cockpit door and fail to gain entry.


Further to describe an Employee of the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs as "A Saudi government employees for years" is while technically accurate, rather like describing an employee of the Ministery of Indigenous and Northern Affairs as a employee of the Canadian Government for years.
 

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It is more than a bit of a stretch to describe this episode as a "dry run" for 9/11. Suspicious you bet, but a dry run, no when all they did was try the cockpit door and fail to gain entry.


Further to describe an Employee of the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs as "A Saudi government employees for years" is while technically accurate, rather like describing an employee of the Ministery of Indigenous and Northern Affairs as a employee of the Canadian Government for years.
The pilots were so spooked that they did an emergency landing and then had the FBI take the two Saudis into custody.
They did more then try the cockpit door.

The pilots were so spooked by the Saudi passengers and their aggressive behavior that they made an emergency landing in Ohio. On the ground there, police handcuffed them and took them into custody. Though the FBI later questioned them, it decided not to pursue prosecution.

But after the FBI discovered that a suspect in a counterterrorism investigation in Phoenix was driving Shalawi’s car, the bureau opened a counterterrorism case on Shalawi. Then, in November 2000, the FBI received reporting that Shalawi trained at terrorist camps in Afghanistan and had received explosives training to perform attacks on American targets. The bureau also suspected Qudhaeein was a Saudi intelligence agent, based on his frequent contact with Saudi officials.

More, investigators learned that the two Saudis traveled to Washington to attend a symposium hosted by the Saudi Embassy in collaboration with the Institute for Islamic and Arabic Sciences in America, which was chaired by the Saudi ambassador. Before being shut down for terrorist ties, IIASA employed the late al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki as a lecturer. Awlaki ministered to some of the hijackers and helped them obtain housing and IDs.
 

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Thanks for confirming that Qatar isn't a threat to the US or us for that matter....
Not quite true. Qatar hosted the AQ elite during the planning of 9/11 including KSM just as they are known to give shelter to a whole variety of terror groups.

And your question about Iran is easy. Iran is led by a government that openly calls for the destruction of the US, has a extremely suspicious nuclear program with tens of thousands centrifuges for one commercial reactor, and who is openly trying to build its ballistic missile capability. Saudi Arabia on the other hand is allied to the US and is a major trade partner no matter what some of the royal family think. Simply put, even the radicals there are pragmatic enough to keep the US happy. Saudi is near the bottom of countries I would like to visit but Iran (and NK) are still below them.

p.s. You might also question the validity of the source. Saudi and Qatar are in conflict and suddenly Qatar's main news network (and a heavily government funded one at that) comes out with a critical report on Saudi. Definitely would want to do a little more research before blindly accepting the word of AJ on some low level government employees.
 

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The pilots were so spooked that they did an emergency landing and then had the FBI take the two Saudis into custody.
They did more then try the cockpit door.
The pilots were so spooked by the Saudi passengers and their aggressive behavior that they made an emergency landing in Ohio. On the ground there, police handcuffed them and took them into custody. Though the FBI later questioned them, it decided not to pursue prosecution.

But after the FBI discovered that a suspect in a counterterrorism investigation in Phoenix was driving Shalawi’s car, the bureau opened a counterterrorism case on Shalawi. Then, in November 2000, the FBI received reporting that Shalawi trained at terrorist camps in Afghanistan and had received explosives training to perform attacks on American targets. The bureau also suspected Qudhaeein was a Saudi intelligence agent, based on his frequent contact with Saudi officials.

More, investigators learned that the two Saudis traveled to Washington to attend a symposium hosted by the Saudi Embassy in collaboration with the Institute for Islamic and Arabic Sciences in America, which was chaired by the Saudi ambassador. Before being shut down for terrorist ties, IIASA employed the late al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki as a lecturer. Awlaki ministered to some of the hijackers and helped them obtain housing and IDs.
BTW. What was that you were saying about Afghanistan not being a valid target in response to AQ terrorism?
 

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BTW. What was that you were saying about Afghanistan not being a valid target in response to AQ terrorism?
You want to attack the training grounds and not the terrorists themselves?
The 9/11 terrorists were Saudis, not Afghani.
 

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You want to attack the training grounds and not the terrorists themselves?
The 9/11 terrorists were Saudis, not Afghani.
And? You are arguing in circles. You claimed that Afghanistan had nothing to do with attacks on the US but then you post an article stating directly that they did. Laughable as usual.

And I clearly explained why Saudi is a US ally and Iran isn't and why the US didn't attack Saudi Arabia.
 

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And? You are arguing in circles. You claimed that Afghanistan had nothing to do with attacks on the US but then you post an article stating directly that they did. Laughable as usual.

And I clearly explained why Saudi is a US ally and Iran isn't and why the US didn't attack Saudi Arabia.
No, you are the one trying to claim that when Saudi gov't officials send people to Afghanistan and send a team to do a dry run of 9/11, then help send off the terrorists that committed the 9/11 attacks, that the US should therefore attack Afghanistan, not Saudi Arabia.

The Saudi's backed 9/11, sent a team in for a dry run and then a team of Saudi's went and attacked the US on 9/11.
And you think they should therefore attack Afghanistan?

More, investigators learned that the two Saudis traveled to Washington to attend a symposium hosted by the Saudi Embassy in collaboration with the Institute for Islamic and Arabic Sciences in America, which was chaired by the Saudi ambassador. Before being shut down for terrorist ties, IIASA employed the late al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki as a lecturer. Awlaki ministered to some of the hijackers and helped them obtain housing and IDs.

The FBI also confirmed that Qudhaeein’s and Shalawi’s airline tickets for the pre-9/11 dry run were paid for by the Saudi Embassy.
Saudi's hijacked the planes and the Saudi's financed the attack.
Not Afghanistan.
 

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No, you are the one trying to claim that when Saudi gov't officials ... send a team to do a dry run of 9/11,....
Sorry but your article from Qatari news is rather short of details. It clearly states two Saudis who happened to be be low level government employees attempted to storm a cockpit but far from shows it was a Saudi government plot. And yes, some in Saudi were no doubt involved in terror attacks including 9/11 but that doesn't mean it was a government plot.

As for Afghanistan, the actual people who planned the attack were based in Afghanistan with the backing of the Taliban government. It makes sense as a target.
 
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