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Galseigin

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LOL and that's from the Star which is a Lefty newspaper....

Can they do this? Well...they did it with booze...I'm sure the various dispensaries will challenge this...

Ontario’s hope to seize control — and the cash — of pot sales is already deep in the weeds.

Trying to find any good that can come from the LCBO seizing control of the marijuana market is like trying to get high by smoking a rolled-up Bounty towel.

It’s strange. Honestly, I can usually find something good in just about anything. The other night, my wife unilaterally imposed a new household budget and whipped up a dinner of “Greek tacos” that were hastily constructed with leftover souvlaki skewers and a mixture of spices few Mexicans would endorse and, though it was touch-and-go for a bit, I was not rushed to the ER.

So that was good.

But upon learning Kathleen Wynne’s Liberals plan to open 150 stand-alone marijuana stores — come for the 30 per cent markup of bundled excise taxes, stay for the glossy CCBO magazine with delightful Facewreck Haze garden-party recipes — the only feeling was one of a bad trip.
And I don’t even use recreational drugs.

On what future potheads will refer to as Black Friday, Ms. Wynne took a big hit off the nanny-state bong and announced plans for the provincial government to add “drug dealer” to its monopoly portfolio. At this rate, I give it six months before she decrees that all snow tires be purchased exclusively through a Service Ontario kiosk.
As the Star’s Robert Benzie reported: “The stand-alone cannabis outlets — physically separate from existing provincial-owned liquor stores — and a government-controlled website will be the only place weed can lawfully be sold after Ottawa legalizes it on July 1.”
Yes, after weed is legalized on July 1 — or given Justin Trudeau’s penchant for broken promises, perhaps that should read if weed is legalized — Wynne will bravely mutate into a cross between Metrolinx and El Chapo and aim to control the local supply of cannabis through Beer Store-style outlets where the “product” is hidden from view, circa 1962, and the surreal experience is decidedly at odds with the presumed preferences of marijuana enthusiasts who’ve been known to do some impulse buying outside of traditional retail hours, and who likely won’t be thrilled when their new dealer is closed for a holiday or is suddenly on strike.

Then there is the issue of supply and demand. And here it is not clear if Wynne is trying to corner the market on marijuana or rare orchids.

In a “Backgrounder” released on Black Friday, with the wildly exciting title, “Ontario’s Cannabis Retail and Distribution Model,” the government’s “proposed approach” is to open 80 stores by 2019, before that number climbs to 150 the following year.

Is that sufficient when the government is also shuttering every private dispensary? If you’ve ever tried to locate an LCBO outside a major urban pocket, you know the answer is “not bloody likely.” The weird part is the government is claiming it and only it can control cannabis at a time when it has ceded to public pressure and allowed beer and wine sales to seep into grocery aisles.

This makes the claim of higher responsibility — “Ontario is proposing a safe and sensible approach to the retail of recreational cannabis, overseen by the LCBO through a subsidiary corporation,” reads the backgrounder — harder to reconcile with the revenue-grab reality. It’s like saying I trust my ex to take the kids on a skydiving vacation, but he’s strictly prohibited from picking them up after school.
So the government is now in the process of expending a startling volume of tax dollars to: a) effectively kill competition, b) reduce the choice and convenience for citizens interested in buying a legalized product, c) inhibit entrepreneurship and small-business growth in an emerging sector and, d) do all of this under the dubious guise of control in the hope nobody will notice the blatant overreach.

Again, I have no dog in this fight. I’m not a user. But if I were, I’m not sure I’d want to venture out to a Big Box mall, wander into an antiseptic store with a Walmart vibe and exchange pleasantries with a grumpy, on-the-clock employee who may not know a Champagne Kush from a Veuve Clicquot. I’m not sure I’d want to return to my car carrying a CCBO-branded paper bag after “browsing” theoretically and being made to feel like I was purchasing an AK-47 at a Toys “R” Us.
Which is why the only thing Wynne is destined to achieve is breathe new life into the black market. This decision is a lump of coal in the vaporizer of users.
As any drug dealer can tell you, territory is key. And on Black Friday, Wynne made it clear she believes the province is her street-corner and rival factions hoping to get a piece of this action will be wiped out by her gang of bureaucrats.

https://www.thestar.com/news/2017/09/08/a-pot-monopoly-whats-kathleen-wynne-smoking-menon.html
 

bazokajoe

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Who cares really.The black market will be there no matter how it's regulated.
For the record, I'm not a user and against making pot legal. Since pot will be sold under the LCBO umbrella,I wish the liberals would privatize at least a small percentage of the LCBO like they did with Hydro so we can all make a buck buying shares in the company.
 

whitewaterguy

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Pot is now being retailed In well established outlets on several Native reserves. I'm sure they won't capitulate and close shops next July. Interesting times
 

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Pot is now being retailed In well established outlets on several Native reserves. I'm sure they won't capitulate and close shops next July. Interesting times
Never heard, aren't reserves way of of Toronto? You would have to drive at least 1.5 hours to get to the one near Rama.
 

Butler1000

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Considering that Trudeau campaign manager is a Pot Corp CEO and Smitherman is as well did you think they would allow a free market?

I predicted this during the federal campaign on this basis.

As for the pot dispeseries they will be shut down. The gov't is the new dealer and the law is their enforcement division.

And no doubt several prominent Liberals have private preferred shares in what will be the officially approved growers in Canada. All of them in on the ground floor before the public could be.
 

hamermill

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Why are you so pissed?

The next elections must happen before or in June.

Ontarians have been screwed on many other fronts already.
 

trucker269

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my bet is NOBODY will shop @ Kathleen Wynnes pot stores......everyone will continue buy from their guy
 

dirkd101

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Desperate times call for desperate measures. She knows how much the LCBO brings in and sees the same thing with pot. Not too hard too figure that this wouldn't happen when the boy wonder said he'd legalize it.
 

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Did anybody think this was going down any other way ?
This is Ontario, and Nanny Wynne wouldn't have it any other way.

I don't know what kind of people own / run dispensaries, mom and pops, greedy corps, underworld types, either way it's not really legal yet... kinda jumped the gun on that market. I'm guessing they made some loot though.
 

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I'm fine with LCBO being the distributer; they do a decent job with booze. I just hope that their advisors suggest a good variety at reasonable prices.

And I would expect as implementation goes along they will eventually expand to approved distributors like has happened with wine, beer, and brewery stores.
 

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I'm fine with LCBO being the distributer; they do a decent job with booze. I just hope that their advisors suggest a good variety at reasonable prices.

And I would expect as implementation goes along they will eventually expand to approved distributors like has happened with wine, beer, and brewery stores.
No edibles and CBD at this point, not sure about variety until they open. No indication about pricing everything is still vague and they have one year to get this shit together.

This was always going to be government owned and operated... the $$$ are too great for profit and taxes to leave it to others.

VBB
 

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This kinda came out of left field. I read there will be 40 shops... for ALL OF ONTARIO!!!

Can you say "lines ups out the door?"

People will be so frustrated at the lack of options to buy that they'll just keep on buying illegal weed. Seems pretty dumb.
 

SchlongConery

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This kinda came out of left field. I read there will be 40 shops... for ALL OF ONTARIO!!!

Can you say "lines ups out the door?"

People will be so frustrated at the lack of options to buy that they'll just keep on buying illegal weed. Seems pretty dumb.


From the original linked article (and every other article I read):

" the government’s “proposed approach” is to open 80 stores by 2019, before that number climbs to 150 the following year."
 

Frankfooter

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The big question I haven't seen addressed is whether once its legal that includes legalizing growing it yourself.
Its not like its a hard plant to grow, and making it legal to buy but illegal to grow would seem strange.
 

saxon

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The big question I haven't seen addressed is whether once its legal that includes legalizing growing it yourself.
Its not like its a hard plant to grow, and making it legal to buy but illegal to grow would seem strange.
From what I've read you can grow up to 4 plants for personal use.
 

Galseigin

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No edibles and CBD at this point, not sure about variety until they open. No indication about pricing everything is still vague and they have one year to get this shit together.

This was always going to be government owned and operated... the $$$ are too great for profit and taxes to leave it to others.

VBB
That's too bad with the CBD, lots of people use CBD for pain, Fibromyalgia, nausea caused by chemo etc. The THC level is low so I don't see what's the problem....
 

Frankfooter

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From what I've read you can grow up to 4 plants for personal use.
Ah, thanks for the update.
Makes sense, but I'm sure 4 plants would be enough for quite a few people, which would limit their need for a store.
 

saxon

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Ah, thanks for the update.
Makes sense, but I'm sure 4 plants would be enough for quite a few people, which would limit their need for a store.
I'm not a smoker but I was thinking about maybe letting someone else use my 4 plants in exchange for some cash.
 

whitewaterguy

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Never heard, aren't reserves way of of Toronto? You would have to drive at least 1.5 hours to get to the one near Rama.
Not everyone in Ontario lives in Toronto. Lol
Quinte Tyendinaga is operational. Same deals in 6 Nations

I'm near Belleville so I'm 15 minutes from 5 awesome outlets. Like a kid in a candy store
 

Butler1000

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I'm not a smoker but I was thinking about maybe letting someone else use my 4 plants in exchange for some cash.
That will be illegal.
 
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