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Ignore isn't a feature that enables you to censor others.
What it does do,... is enable all to see who are cowards, senile, and just plain ass holes.

You quoted and replied one of my posts with your usual childish insults,... while I was banned,... and I obviously could not respond.

So which one of the above are you fuji,...???
 

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What it does do,... is enable all to see who are cowards, senile, and just plain ass holes.

You quoted and replied one of my posts with your usual childish insults,... while I was banned,... and I obviously could not respond.

So which one of the above are you fuji,...???
Why were you banned, were you a coward, senile or an asshole?
 

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Here is a link to a more recent CNN story which presents some photographs and interviews the photographer:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-car-photo/

Of note:

1. Heyer is not identified in the photograph, although one person shown to be struck by the vehicle apparently was attending the rally with her. Anderson Cooper is not stupid. Notably he does not ask any questions about Heather Heyer in relation to the photographs.
2. The photographer says the vehicle backed up on the street before accelerating into the crowd. Compare that statement to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7FPmojhEeE (no tire spin marks at the start of the approach of the car or sound of car accelerating).

The most interesting video is this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Bf9XOetMw which shows:

1. The car which is later involved in the crash at 00:53 (about 8 minutes of livestream before the incident)
2. The van which blocked the intersection at 2:51 (about 5 minutes of livestream before the incident). The van appears to be unimpeded by the crowd at this point in time.
3. No evidence of tire skid marks on the road above the place the accident (see 8:35)
4. Medical care being provided to someone on the ground behind a pickup truck at the side of the street at 9:10.
5. Another person getting medical care near the building wall to the side of the middle car of the collision at 11:00.
6. Middle car air bag does not seem to have deployed (31:45)

Another interesting video is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrRxXxJoraI. While I think the commenter is wrong when he suggests the other 2 cars in the collision were moving before the crash, what appears to be correct is that the car which causes the collision was attacked by a protester before the collision occurred (see 1:49). I don't recommend this video for its analysis, but rather for the focus it places on some of the video evidence.

A video that analyzes where Heyer was in relation to the crash is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKZqG1T07cs. Again, I don't recommend it for its analysis of what Heyer's cause of death was (and in fairness, the poster doesn't claim certainty), but at least the video helps identify Heyer by her appearance that day, and likely position. The video also notes Heyer's mother confirming that Heyer's heart had to be restarted by CPR, which is consistent with the video of the person who is suggested to be Heyer.

Again, none of this means Heyer's death is unrelated to the crash. It may, however, mean that Heyer was not struck by the car.
 

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Here is a link to a more recent CNN story which presents some photographs and interviews the photographer:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-car-photo/

Of note:

1. Heyer is not identified in the photograph, although one person shown to be struck by the vehicle apparently was attending the rally with her. Anderson Cooper is not stupid. Notably he does not ask any questions about Heather Heyer in relation to the photographs.
2. The photographer says the vehicle backed up on the street before accelerating into the crowd. Compare that statement to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7FPmojhEeE (no tire spin marks at the start of the approach of the car or sound of car accelerating).

The most interesting video is this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Bf9XOetMw which shows:

1. The car which is later involved in the crash at 00:53 (about 8 minutes of livestream before the incident)
2. The van which blocked the intersection at 2:51 (about 5 minutes of livestream before the incident). The van appears to be unimpeded by the crowd at this point in time.
3. No evidence of tire skid marks on the road above the place the accident (see 8:35)
4. Medical care being provided to someone on the ground behind a pickup truck at the side of the street at 9:10.
5. Another person getting medical care near the building wall to the side of the middle car of the collision at 11:00.
6. Middle car air bag does not seem to have deployed (31:45)

Another interesting video is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrRxXxJoraI. While I think the commenter is wrong when he suggests the other 2 cars in the collision were moving before the crash, what appears to be correct is that the car which causes the collision was attacked by a protester before the collision occurred (see 1:49). I don't recommend this video for its analysis, but rather for the focus it places on some of the video evidence.

A video that analyzes where Heyer was in relation to the crash is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKZqG1T07cs. Again, I don't recommend it for its analysis of what Heyer's cause of death was (and in fairness, the poster doesn't claim certainty), but at least the video helps identify Heyer by her appearance that day, and likely position. The video also notes Heyer's mother confirming that Heyer's heart had to be restarted by CPR, which is consistent with the video of the person who is suggested to be Heyer.

Again, none of this means Heyer's death is unrelated to the crash. It may, however, mean that Heyer was not struck by the car.
Keep trying to deny right wing terrorism, it puts you in the same league as Galsegin.
 

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Here is a link to a more recent CNN story which presents some photographs and interviews the photographer:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-car-photo/

Of note:

...blah blah blah insert theory carefully crafted by watching youtube video of Nazi terrorism over and over again

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Again, none of this means Heyer's death is unrelated to the crash. It may, however, mean that Heyer was not struck by the car.

Dude, your obsession with defending Nazis is a little disgusting.
A quick look into the news shows that you must be getting your information from some pretty disgusting places.

Nazis Claiming Heather Heyer Died of a Heart Attack
Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispat...-heyer-died-heart-attack/#uokkWKiMbsOlgMfy.99
Fringe Media Outlets Smear Heather Heyer, Alleging She Died by Heart Attack, Not a Raging White Supremacist
http://www.theroot.com/fringe-media-outlets-smear-heather-heyer-alleging-she-1803069261

Fringe media are furiously trying to absolve the white nationalist who allegedly killed Heather Heyer
Trolls and anonymous message boards are pushing the story that she died from a heart attack and health issues -- and not because she was hit by a car
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2...te-nationalist-who-allegedly-killed-He/217886

Nazis Claiming Heather Heyer Died of a Heart Attack
SEPTEMBER 11, 2017 BY ED BRAYTON
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After praising the man who deliberately plowed into a crowd of counterprotestors in Charlottesville, killing Heather Heyer and injuring a couple dozen others, the white supremacists and neo-Nazis are now trying to absolve him by claiming that she really died of a heart attack.


Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispat...-heyer-died-heart-attack/#uokkWKiMbsOlgMfy.99
So.....um......are you really siding with the Nazis?
 

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Dude, your obsession with defending Nazis is a little disgusting.
A quick look into the news shows that you must be getting your information from some pretty disgusting places.




http://www.theroot.com/fringe-media-outlets-smear-heather-heyer-alleging-she-1803069261


https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2...te-nationalist-who-allegedly-killed-He/217886



So.....um......are you really siding with the Nazis?
The right wingers are busy trying to pick at straws to absolve this racist criminal James Fields. They will call you LIARS, and this goes on for every single scenario. Count the number of times they come up with this word with every single thread where you put a case where it is proven as well. Anyway, interesting video of what he did to his own mother. But in their eyes he is a saint and they have even condemned Heather Heyer numerous times as if she is the criminal and that guy was the innocent one trying to get away. Wait for the word LIAR to be repeated time and time again.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/details-emerge-man-charged-heather-heyers-murder-49260702
 

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The right wingers are busy trying to pick at straws to absolve this racist criminal James Fields. They will call you LIARS, and this goes on for every single scenario. Count the number of times they come up with this word with every single thread where you put a case where it is proven as well. Anyway, interesting video of what he did to his own mother. But in their eyes he is a saint and they have even condemned Heather Heyer numerous times as if she is the criminal and that guy was the innocent one trying to get away. Wait for the word LIAR to be repeated time and time again.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/details-emerge-man-charged-heather-heyers-murder-49260702
Bud seems to have left this thread, as have the right wingers.
But four pages of defending Nazi terrorism is still shocking.
 

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Keep trying to deny right wing terrorism, it puts you in the same league as Galsegin.
And just what is right wing terrorism,... other than the best current example,...Islamic terrorism,... that you constantly justify,... fuji,... ???

Maybe its bankers charging too much interest,...???
 
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And just what is right wing terrorism,... ,...???
Umm. Terrorism by people who subscribe to an extremist political philosophy based on right wing America?


And although radical Islamists have a lot in common with bible thumpers in terms of religious morality, economically they don't fit the conservative agenda.
 

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Its all about economics,...

Umm. Terrorism by people who subscribe to an extremist political philosophy based on right wing America?

And although radical Islamists have a lot in common with bible thumpers in terms of religious morality, economically they don't fit the conservative agenda.
So right wing terrorism is simply based on "American" "extremist political philosophy",... that doesn't exist any other place on the planet,...???

Which must be why, once again you are stating that Islamic terrorists are NOT right wing terrorists,... because they don't have the same "economic conservative agenda",... but are NOT left wing terrorists.

Strange world you live in.
 

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So right wing terrorism is simply based on "American" "extremist political philosophy",... that doesn't exist any other place on the planet,...???...
You asked for a definition of Right wing terrorism in a discussion about American extremist groups. Of course the definition of American hate groups is specific to America.

And it's pathetic that you want to avoid criticizing these groups by claiming Muslims are the real right wing terrorism. You might want to talk to the FBI to change their definitions though because they use the term "right wing terrorism" the same way it is being used in the thread.
 

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So right wing terrorism is simply based on "American" "extremist political philosophy",... that doesn't exist any other place on the planet,...???

Which must be why, once again you are stating that Islamic terrorists are NOT right wing terrorists,... because they don't have the same "economic conservative agenda",... but are NOT left wing terrorists.

Strange world you live in.
Its a strange world that you live, where the whole world is divided into two sides, right wing/republicans, left wing/communists and democrats.
Time to regurgitate the stat that 90% of terrorism happens in countries at war/rebellion/intervention.
In those countries its not just right wing/left wing, but also foreigner/local, tribal/outsider, amongst the many ways people separate.

Through Europe and North America, which are not at war and suffer only 0.5% of terrorism, most terrorism is caused by two groups.
Right wing extremists and extremist Islamics.
Both are about as dangerous.

Right wing extremists are all through Europe, Canada and the US.
Don't you remember Breivik?

Sometimes they are even one and the same.
http://www.dw.com/en/neo-nazi-turne...on-trial-in-germany-for-bomb-plans/a-40596164

Its hard sometimes to tell them apart.
 

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The right wingers are busy trying to pick at straws to absolve this racist criminal James Fields. They will call you LIARS, and this goes on for every single scenario. Count the number of times they come up with this word with every single thread where you put a case where it is proven as well. Anyway, interesting video of what he did to his own mother. But in their eyes he is a saint and they have even condemned Heather Heyer numerous times as if she is the criminal and that guy was the innocent one trying to get away. Wait for the word LIAR to be repeated time and time again.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/details-emerge-man-charged-heather-heyers-murder-49260702
What you are lacking is an inquisitive mind and a better imagination for the possibility and/or plausibility of narratives that may not fit what you would prefer to believe. You're certainly not alone here at TERB. However, if you can manage this transformation, you'll be less shocked at the outcome of criminal trials and other rigorous investigations.

p.s. When did I ever call you a liar? I don't think I have.
 

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What you are lacking is an inquisitive mind and a better imagination....
Most of us use our inquisitiveness and imagination on things more useful than conspiracy theories attempting to defend a neo-nazi murderer.
 

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What you are lacking is an inquisitive mind and a better imagination for the possibility and/or plausibility of narratives that may not fit what you would prefer to believe. .
The only narrative presented here or anywhere is that a neo-nazi drove his car into a crowd of protesters trying to kill them.
(Unless your sources are neo-nazi forums and chat groups, of course - https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...le-Car-Death&p=5941651&viewfull=1#post5941651)
He's now in prison under multiple charges.

What's your 'alternative narrative'?
 

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You asked for a definition of Right wing terrorism in a discussion about American extremist groups. Of course the definition of American hate groups is specific to America.

And it's pathetic that you want to avoid criticizing these groups by claiming Muslims are the real right wing terrorism. You might want to talk to the FBI to change their definitions though because they use the term "right wing terrorism" the same way it is being used in the thread.
Holy shit basketcase,... you are turning into fuji lite.

I never claimed any of your bull shit.
I do not need to criticize the obvious,...
I did not claim Muslims are "the real right wing terrorism".
But obviously,... are right wing terrorists,... being obviously,... a hate group,... right basketcase,...???.

You have just confirmed that by your "thinking",...any hate group is automatically right wing,...

And as you believe the FBI uses "right wing terrorism" to define Islamic terrorism,... fricken ridiculous basketcase.
 

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Interesting. You get upset and say...

I never claimed any of your bull shit.
and then proceed to invent some bullshit.
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You have just confirmed that by your "thinking",...any hate group is automatically right wing,...
The FBI defines violent xenophobic American terror attacks as right wing. They define radical Islamic terrorism as radical Islamist terrorism. If you want to argue with the FBI then continue( and I'll get a kick out of it).

And yes, there has been plenty of left wing terrorism; the 70's and 80's were rife with it. But attacks like this Fields guy and the attack on the Quebec Mosque definitely fit the accepted definition of right wing.

And as you believe the FBI uses "right wing terrorism" to define Islamic terrorism,... fricken ridiculous basketcase.[/QUOTE]
 

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What you are lacking is an inquisitive mind and a better imagination for the possibility and/or plausibility of narratives that may not fit what you would prefer to believe. You're certainly not alone here at TERB. However, if you can manage this transformation, you'll be less shocked at the outcome of criminal trials and other rigorous investigations.

p.s. When did I ever call you a liar? I don't think I have.
Listen you are the one that seems to believe that there is a conspiracy theory about this "innocent" killer. This Fields dude knew what he was doing especially as he lied to his own mother about who he was protesting with. So if you think that he did not commit this horrible murder of this lady, then that is your opinion and nothing more. Only the fringe right wing media seem to pursue this theory.

Did not say that you called me a liar, but if you go to the Thread about the hate crime against the Imam, you will see the ones who called me a liar, and are the same ones that consistently accuse the other non right wing members to be liars.
 

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Listen you are the one that seems to believe that there is a conspiracy theory about this "innocent" killer. This Fields dude knew what he was doing especially as he lied to his own mother about who he was protesting with. So if you think that he did not commit this horrible murder of this lady, then that is your opinion and nothing more. Only the fringe right wing media seem to pursue this theory.
No, I think you're afraid (for some reason) that the Heyer death might not turn out to be the act of extreme right terrorism it was so quickly declared by the media to be. I haven't put forward any theories yet. I haven't seen enough facts. However, I've seen enough evidence to understand that people who have have already reached a conclusion may easily end up being wrong.

The people on this board who insist on a narrative, even in the absence of important facts, are always driving an agenda. But their positions are never persuasive or effective, so I wonder why they never give up the tactic?
 

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No, I think you're afraid (for some reason) that the Heyer death might not turn out to be the act of extreme right terrorism it was so quickly declared by the media to be. I haven't put forward any theories yet. I haven't seen enough facts. However, I've seen enough evidence to understand that people who have have already reached a conclusion may easily end up being wrong.

The people on this board who insist on a narrative, even in the absence of important facts, are always driving an agenda. But their positions are never persuasive or effective, so I wonder why they never give up the tactic?
Deny deny deny
 
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