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I don't give a fuck what he wants or you want. He posted some white supremacist nonsense about how American values are white values and I pointed it out.

You are violating the forum rules with these insults, and you are wrong: the ignore feature does not control what others post, That's not what it does. Not what it's used for. Not what it's meant for. Get that through your thick skull.

Fast was right, you are dumb. He was talking about what can be seen, not controlling what people post. Reading is fundamental. Yikes, for someone who thinks he is so superior you sure screw up a lot. No wonder you like Obama.
 

Frankfooter

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Sorry but including Trump and the North Carolina legislature have no bearing on the case. The online comments will only have relevance if it can be shown that the accused was involved in those posts.

When the DA sees plenty of actual evidence against the accused, trying to implicate Trump and the GoP is ridiculous.
You really don't think its going to come up at the trial?
 

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And you admit that your focus on this case is because you are worried that the rights of "white people" are being infringed.
You've got to start reading other people's posts more carefully, or else stop trying to intentionally misrepresent other people's positions. It is a pervasive problem with your posts. It isn't persuasive, and it gets in the way of real discussion of issues. When I talk about the context within which an issue arises, that is exactly what I am talking about, nothing else. It is a either a reading comprehension problem or intellectual dishonesty to attribute such a statement to represent my own personal view. I make my personal views clear in my posts. Perhaps you don't accept my own views as the basis for debate because they are harder to criticize than views you wish to attribute to me?

Despite the fact I'm merely repeating myself, my concern (which happens to be the same concern that noted far right conservative group the ACLU has :)) is that government should not be shutting down free speech, or enabling groups that would effectively shut down the speech of others, regardless of the unpopularity, immorality, or offensiveness of that speech. The unpopular and offensive speech of white nationalists is just ONE EXAMPLE of such speech. THE most important element of a democracy is the ability to speak out in opposition to the policies of the government of the day. Democracy can't survive without it. Of course, that also entails that others can speak out against those views in turn.


And it is idiotic to expect that DA to publicly release all their information before trial. Except disclosure to the defense, it never happens and it takes a pretty big ego to think that the DA must satisfy you before the charges can stand. The only times I've ever seen things released is when they are looking for more witnesses.
Your observations are simply incorrect. The police have a role that goes beyond just completing criminal investigations. In North America, our local police forces are not "secret police". The police are accountable to the public through various political structures. That's one of the reasons they have press conferences to discuss their activities. It bolsters public trust (which in turn is good for the police, because it reinforces the utility of public spending in this area) to report on productive police activities. Put another way, it helps the police as an institution and it fulfills their accountability to the public to provide information to the public concerning important investigations. Contrary to your belief, these press releases/conferences are not all tactical.

Police forces understand this. That's why they are happy to report when they make progress on investigations and/or make arrests. Conversely, it is embarrassing to them to admit when they haven't made progress. They are also happy to tell the public why they are so sure that they've made arrests that will hold up in court.

You actually have their motivations backwards. The only time they withhold information that supports their actions is when releasing it would compromise their ability to gather further required evidence.

And you might want to look up what a grand jury is and the role the people play in determining if there is enough evidence to continue the case.
I didn't think you were a lawyer. Certainly no signs in your previous posts that you are. It takes a pretty big ego to lecture people on the law if you aren't a lawyer. In fact, it's ridiculous.
 

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why don't you wait until the actual evidence is presented in the trial.
I will, if you and rest of the world discussing these issues will! But you haven't, and you won't. What you're really asking for is everyone to accept your own unsupported theory of an incident until proven wrong at trial. That's not the way the world works. You don't get to be right just because you want to be right. Besides, isn't it a healthy society which scrutinizes the activities of the police?
 

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I don't give a fuck what he wants or you want. .

You are violating the forum rules with these insults, and you are wrong: the ignore feature does not control what others post, That's not what it does. Not what it's used for. Not what it's meant for. Get that through your thick skull.
Of coarse the ignore function does not control what other people post,... nobody said otherwise,... liar.

But what it does do,...is every time you and the other cowards quote a members post and/or their name while they have you on ignore,... is to confirm you are a coward,... and have absolutely no character,... and I'm being kind here.

Get that through your thick skull,... assuming there is anything to be found there.
 

Frankfooter

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I will, if you and rest of the world discussing these issues will! But you haven't, and you won't. What you're really asking for is everyone to accept your own unsupported theory of an incident until proven wrong at trial. That's not the way the world works. You don't get to be right just because you want to be right. Besides, isn't it a healthy society which scrutinizes the activities of the police?
There is a video showing James Field driving his car into a crowd of protesters, there are 18 injured and 1 dead, there are multiple eye witnesses, there is video of Field driving the car calmly away and there are charges of murder and assault laid on Field. The unsupported theory in this case is that Heyer wasn't killed as a result of a white supremacist driving his car into a crowd of protesters.

There are plenty of other examples where you could argue that police need more supervision or media reports aren't accurate, but in this case the only 'evidence' appears to be unsupported claims that were floated by white supremacists.

So basically Bud Plug is taking the word of white supremacist trolls over video, eye witnesses, the media reports and police.

That along with his statement that he feels American (white) values are under attack clearly identify his politics.
 

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Of coarse the ignore function does not control what other people post,... nobody said otherwise,... liar.

But what it does do,...is every time you and the other cowards quote a members post and/or their name while they have you on ignore,... is to confirm you are a coward,... and have absolutely no character,... and I'm being kind here.

Get that through your thick skull,... assuming there is anything to be found there.
You missed the part where I don't give a fuck about your opinion. Ignore does not exempt you and your racist pals from being called out for your racism. What it highlights is how desperate you guys are to avoid pointed criticism of your reprehensible views.

Here we have a guy who is claiming America is only for white people (American values are white values). It's disgusting and it needs to be called out.
 

FAST

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You missed the part where I don't give a fuck about your opinion. Ignore does not exempt you and your racist pals from being called out for your racism. What it highlights is how desperate you guys are to avoid pointed criticism of your reprehensible views.

Here we have a guy who is claiming America is only for white people (American values are white values). It's disgusting and it needs to be called out.
You missed the part that you are simply a coward,... and your opinion on members is worthless.

And once again you don't have the intelligence to understand that Ignore doe not exempt a member from anything.

To be desperate to not have to put up with your lies, and childish insulting,... yep,... maybe,... but that would be assuming you are not a coward.

But just what the fuck do you think the Ignore function is for fuji,... it isn't for cowards to hide behind, as you seem to think.

You say you are being insulted when being called a coward,... facts are not insults,... and besides,... you are the very definition of the ultimate insult here.

But lets have your opinion on what you would call some one who, responds to and use a members tag in their posts,... knowing full well the member cannot, and will not respond,... because they don't see you childish insulting posts.

The Ignore function is here for a reason,... but the site management assumed that members here would have some character,... and not be cowards,.... when they decided to institute it.
 

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You've got to start reading other people's posts more carefully, or else stop trying to intentionally misrepresent other people's positions.
I've been reading well including what is quite obviously between the lines.

is that government should not be shutting down free speech,
What does this paranoid rambling have to do with the case? The government is not shutting down free speech. The racist fucks were allowed to march. In case you missed it, the case is about one racist fuck who drove his car into a crowd, injuring 19 and killing 1.


You actually have their motivations backwards. The only time they withhold information that supports their actions is when releasing it would compromise their ability to gather further required evidence.
Are you saying that the DA/Crown routinely makes all evidence public before trial? Interesting claim.



I didn't think you were a lawyer. Certainly no signs in your previous posts that you are. It takes a pretty big ego to lecture people on the law if you aren't a lawyer. In fact, it's ridiculous.
I'm not a lawyer but I am aware of the basics of the US legal system. Seriously, google what a grand jury is and how it works.


p.s. I guess you don't realize the irony coming from a guy who started a tread about the law in the US.
 

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But what it does do,...is every time you and the other cowards quote a members post and/or their name while they have you on ignore,... is to confirm you are a coward,... and have absolutely no character,... and I'm being kind here...
Only you would claim that (semi)publicly stating one's opinion is cowardly.
 
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