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You're wrong. You did adopt the position I attributed to you. You did write what American values are white values. That is a white supremacist viewpoint.

You aren't replying because you can't, deflecting and denying is all you are capable of since you are guilty.
You are so fricken stupid you can't even comprehend what having you on ignore means,... idiot,...???

Or maybe you specifically post insults about a member,... knowing they have you on ignore,... which also defines you as a coward.

Seems to be a lot of that going on here lately.

Just like how an adult would handle a screaming 4 year old,... some times it works,... some times it doesn't,... depends on how the kid was raised.
 

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You are so fricken stupid you can't even comprehend what having you on ignore means,... idiot,...???

Or maybe you specifically post insults about a member,... knowing they have you on ignore,... which also defines you as a coward.

Seems to be a lot of that going on here lately.

Just like how an adult would handle a screaming 4 year old,... some times it works,... some times it doesn't,... depends on how the kid was raised.

Yeah, the coward is trying to troll and bait a person who implicitly states he has him on "ignore".

Plus he adds a 13/14 year old looking white girl to his sig rotation. What a disgusting pig. *suey suey*

You looking at his sig pic rotation TERB MODS, 8/10 appear to be minors. If not you are complicit in his illness, which I don't believe you are nor want this kind of attention. It would behoove you to do something about it.
 

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Yeah, the coward is trying to troll and bait a person who implicitly states he has him on "ignore".

Plus he adds a 13/14 year old looking white girl to his sig rotation. What a disgusting pig. *suey suey*

You looking at his sig pic rotation TERB MODS, 8/10 appear to be minors. If not you are complicit in his illness, which I don't believe you are nor want this kind of attention. It would behoove you to do something about it.
The girls in my siggy are not minors. They are mostly well known celebrities.

I couldn't care less whether Bud replies, I'm satisfied that I have exposed him for what he is, with his white supremacist belief that American values are white values.

You want to be able to post your racist shit and not be called on it. That's not how it works. Expect to get called on it regardless of your profile preferences.
 

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The girls in my siggy are not minors. They are mostly well known celebrities.

I couldn't care less whether Bud replies, I'm satisfied that I have exposed him for what he is, with his white supremacist belief that American values are white values.

You want to be able to post your racist shit and not be called on it. That's not how it works. Expect to get called on it regardless of your profile preferences.
BS they are "well known celebrities". They mostly all look 12 years old. WTF kind of grown man gets off on prepubescent looking little girls? Pedos, that's who. You are clearly a very sick person so it makes sense.

I do not post "racist shit" you pathological LIAR. To the contrary, YOU better buckle up and get used to being called out on your bullshit, because that IS how it works.
 

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I have seen NO indication that he is a "white supremacist", none whatsoever. Nor have I seen a shred of evidence that he feels "threatened by people of colour". And I'm reading the same stuff you are reading.

I truly think you, like fuji and a couple others spend WAY too much time logged on/posting here. After awhile it must become sort of delusional and surreal, so people like you and your ilk come up with these wild, over-the-top accusations, thinking that if you keep repeating it over and over you will make it become reality.

I didn't find your posts that alarming or offensive up until recently, but man you sink into the gutter really fast.
I agree I spend too much time here. Its a time waster, don't worry, about to get busy again and I'll be off for a while.
Meanwhile...

This is what Bud said:
Some people who look at the absence of publicly available evidence surrounding this incident, including the most basic information as to how the incident led to Heyer's death, might try to weave the facts into a tapestry of how American (white) values are under attack and how politicians and police are complicit in that attack.
This 'tapestry of American (white) values' is really the out and out admission that he is a white supremacist.
Claiming that white people are under attack is an argument that there are too many non-white people in the US and that they have too much influence.
In other words, he wants them back in the ghettos.

Its pretty clearly explained here:
https://www.vox.com/first-person/20...esville-white-supremacy-neo-nazis-confederacy

As the article says:
Some people at Saturday’s rally identified as actual members of the American Nazi Party and carried flags with swastikas. But the label doesn’t encapsulate the people who showed up representing America's homegrown ideology of white supremacy.

For me, as a scholar and a resident of Charlottesville, the Nazi label erases the ordinariness of this impulse to display and defend the symbols of a fallen iteration of white patriarchy. The people I grew up with — the families that fly the flag on their property, the teenage boys who wear the flag stitched onto their khaki baseball caps — are not Nazis. They are ordinary white people who deny that their veneration of a mythologized South amounts to white nationalism. The spectacular displays of violence characterizing Charlottesville’s conflicts over Confederate monuments, when viewed in local and historical context, point to white racial pride that has its source right here in Virginia, not Nazi Germany.

It’s easy to argue that appreciation for Confederate history does not amount to personal racial hatred. But Confederate flags and monuments do the symbolic work of invoking historic violence — on the part of governments and individuals — against African Americans. Beyond representing the Confederate States of America, the historic project designed to keep African Americans enslaved, Confederate flags and monuments signal the many forms of racial terrorism that white Southerners inflicted upon black Southerners in order to shore up racial supremacy in the wake of emancipation. Fresh after the end of the Civil War, for instance, it was a group of Confederate veterans who created the Ku Klux Klan. The white racial pride encoded in these symbols is built on the oppression of African Americans.
 

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For those of you with unflagging confidence in the competence of police investigations, have a look at this video how the Las Vegas police are doing their best to botch and therefore compromise their investigation into the Mandalay Bay shooting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaIVpNC9Tg0 And there isn't even a political issue involved (yet)!
 

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Bud, lets not dance around the subject. What do you think the probability that the guy arrested is guilty? Me, I will say 70% he is guilty.
Well, I suppose that makes you 30% more reasonable than some others on this thread. The whole point of this thread is to caution people against jumping to their various conclusions, given that key evidence (causation) is, thus far, unavailable to the public. It would be counterproductive and contradictory to turn the thread into a betting pool. However, assuming you are talking about the 2nd degree murder charge, I can confidently say that there is a 0% chance of conviction if there is no evidence of causation linking Heyer's death to the crash, or if that causation is remote (would be manslaughter or criminal negligence instead), or there turns out to be evidence which negates or mitigates the driver's criminal motive (either an acquittal or reduced charges would result).
 

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I do not post "racist shit" you pathological LIAR.
Glad to hear it.

Hey latinboy, do you think Bud Plug's defence of charges of murder on a suspected neo-nazi terrorist to defend American (white) values is white supremacism or how you characterize it?
Just curious, as it sounds like you're here defending him as well.
 

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The girls in my siggy are not minors. They are mostly well known celebrities.

I couldn't care less whether Bud replies, I'm satisfied that I have exposed him for what he is, with his white supremacist belief that American values are white values.

You want to be able to post your racist shit and not be called on it. That's not how it works. Expect to get called on it regardless of your profile preferences.
You don't care if some one who has you on ignore replies,... he doesn't see your and the other cowards here posts in reply.

So you are satisfied,... knowing you got away with insulting a member behind their back,... doesn't take much to satisfy you,... rather handy for you though fuji.
 

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You don't care if some one who has you on ignore replies,... he doesn't see your and the other cowards here posts in reply.

So you are satisfied,... knowing you got away with insulting a member behind their back,... doesn't take much to satisfy you,... rather handy for you though fuji.
Is that what Fuji is going on about? Hilarious! What I actually said is that SOME PEOPLE might try to rely on this incomplete evidence to support a narrative that "white values" (the term used by white nationalists, not one that I coined) are under attack. I then posed alternative narratives that different people might seek to support (including a reference to my own interest, which is legal analysis of the event) and then stated that ALL points of view are premature at this point. I couldn't have been more clear. I guess to Fuji mentioning the perspective of white nationalists (even while dismissing such views as unsubstantiated on the available evidence) is the same as being one yourself. Maybe he's trying to tell us something about himself?

As usual, he's wasting electrons over a straw man of his own design.

If someone knows Fuji, and knows that he is under medical care, please PM me, as I would feel badly to have responded this way if that's the case.
 

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Well, I suppose that makes you 30% more reasonable than some others on this thread. The whole point of this thread is to caution people against jumping to their various conclusions, given that key evidence (causation) is, thus far, unavailable to the public. It would be counterproductive and contradictory to turn the thread into a betting pool. However, assuming you are talking about the 2nd degree murder charge, I can confidently say that there is a 0% chance of conviction if there is no evidence of causation linking Heyer's death to the crash, or if that causation is remote (would be manslaughter or criminal negligence instead), or there turns out to be evidence which negates or mitigates the driver's criminal motive (either an acquittal or reduced charges would result).
If your argument is that people should be assumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody will disagree with you, there is no reason why you should latch onto this particular incident to illustrate your point. I have said before that you are seeing much more importance to this incident than it actually is, the way black people had an unhealthy obsession with the OJ simpson trial because in their view it was some litmus test on race; I feel you are doing the same.
 

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You don't care if some one who has you on ignore replies,... he doesn't see your and the other cowards here posts in reply.

So you are satisfied,... knowing you got away with insulting a member behind their back,... doesn't take much to satisfy you,... rather handy for you though fuji.
If he wants to read it and reply he can, or if he wants to not read it that's fine. But clearly everyone else can read it.

I don't care either way. What I care is that he is exposed to others for what he is. He is a white supremacist. He clearly stated that he thinks American values are white values. That needs to be highlighted for all to see.
 

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If your argument is that people should be assumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody will disagree with you, there is no reason why you should latch onto this particular incident to illustrate your point. I have said before that you are seeing much more importance to this incident than it actually is, the way black people had an unhealthy obsession with the OJ simpson trial because in their view it was some litmus test on race; I feel you are doing the same.
There is good reason to pay attention to this particular incident, but you're just making me repeat what I've already said in previous posts. If you don't think this incident is all that important, you're not watching much news. There is perpetual reference to this incident as a terrorist attack by those debating the rights of white nationalists (and other unpopular/undesirable groups) to conduct protests and demonstrations (recently, of course, in connection with the return of the white nationalists to Charlottesville only a week ago). It's as simple as this, if the public can be convinced that some groups are too vile/socially dangerous to be allowed to protest/demonstrate, even peacefully, you can expect local authorities to start denying permits for demonstrations, instructing crackdowns by police, and co-ordinating violent counter protests to justify their positions. This approach weakens, not strengthens democracy. That's why the ACLU supported white nationalists against the City of Charlottesville. I'm very interested to see whether this debate will take place on the footing of accurate facts, or on the emotional wave of an unsubstantiated (at this point) narrative.

On a technical legal level, it is extremely rare in a case involving a high profile (from a media perspective) death in a public place where there was an abundance of video evidence gathered by citizens that the police would release absolutely no information establishing the causation of death relative to the person charged. Don't think so? Find me another recent example. Las Vegas - we've been told who the shooter was, where he was, where he shot from, what the firing trajectory was, what guns and other equipment he used, who he killed, etc. Same thing at the Pulse nightclub. When I see something unusual in the way the police are releasing their information, and how the media are reporting on an incident, that gets my attention. There is absolutely no reason I can think of for the police/DA not to release that information, except for the very practical reason that they feel that they haven't figured it out themselves yet. There are other technical concerns here, but I don't think you're that interested. It's also extraordinarily rare for a terrorist (or the group he represents) to make no statement about his objectives before, during, or after his act of terror. Failing to do so undermines the primary objective of terrorism - to terrorize on the basis of an identifiable enemy. In Charlottesville, the only group alleged to be associated with Fields has denied that he is a member or that he represents them. Nor have any of the KKK or white nationalist groups asserted that anyone would be justified in intentionally killing counter protesters. This same analysis is the very reason that no one is calling the Las Vegas shootings an act of terrorism at this point.

If none of this interests you, so be it. No doubt we have other respective interests that are not common. I'm a big fan of the Flaming Lips. Are you?

However, your "feelings" about my motivations for being interested in this subject matters as much to me probably as much as my "feeling" that you are just projecting your own motivations onto me matters to you.
 

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There is perpetual reference to this incident as a terrorist attack by those debating the rights of white nationalists
... such as yourself, people who believe that America is for white people, or as you put it, who think only white values are American values.
 

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If he wants to read it and reply he can, or if he wants to not read it that's fine. But clearly everyone else can read it.

I don't care either way.
My god ,... you are dumb,... members put other members on ignore so as to NOT read their cowardly bull shit fuji.

For you and the other cowards to post your usual childish insults and lies behind members backs,... only continually confirms what you and they are.

When people are in the same room as you,... do they all stand with their backs to the wall,.... wouldn't blame them.
 

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There is good reason to pay attention to this particular incident, but you're just making me repeat what I've already said in previous posts. If you don't think this incident is all that important, you're not watching much news. There is perpetual reference to this incident as a terrorist attack by those debating the rights of white nationalists (and other unpopular/undesirable groups) to conduct protests and demonstrations (recently, of course, in connection with the return of the white nationalists to Charlottesville only a week ago).
White Nationalists, or really, White Supremacists, are a group that attack the democratic principles of the US and Canada, of equality of races.

And lets check the context of this case of suspected terrorism.

1) White Supremacists joked about ramming their cars into protesters.
http://www.theroot.com/leaked-chats-show-that-white-supremacists-joked-about-p-1798531208

2) Trump encourages attacking protesters.
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-told-white-supremacists-attack-protesters-so-they-did-650622

3) Republicans were in the process of trying to pass legislation making it legal to drive your car into protesters and injure/kill them.
https://thinkprogress.org/republica...tect-drivers-who-hit-protesters-4da6e6ebaa59/
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...ters-face-backlash-after-charlottesville.html

Including this bill:
North Carolina: House Bill 330, introduced by Republican representative Justin Burr in March, sets aside civil liability penalties for any motorist who strikes and injures a protester with his or her car, so long as the protest doesn’t have a permit. The bill passed the North Carolina General Assembly 67-to-48 back in May and is currently waiting for action in the state Senate.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics...-been-legal-under-these-republican-proposals/

So we have white supremacists planning attacks with cars, encouraged to act through Trump and with the Republican party trying to make these kinds of attacks legal.
 

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For those of you with unflagging confidence in the competence of police investigations,...
I have way more confidence in the US legal system than I have in random youtube ramblings lifted from white supremacist groups.

Instead of trying to invent conspiracy theories, why don't you wait until the actual evidence is presented in the trial. And yes, it is a conspiracy theory. Your belief that the police and DA are intentionally ignoring evidence to railroad this guy is completely unsupported.
 

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There is good reason to pay attention to this particular incident, but you're just making me repeat what I've already said in previous posts. If you don't think this incident is all that important, you're not watching much news. There is perpetual reference to this incident as a terrorist attack by those debating the rights of white nationalists (and other unpopular/undesirable groups) to conduct protests and demonstrations (recently, of course, in connection with the return of the white nationalists to Charlottesville only a week ago). It's as simple as this, if the public can be convinced that some groups are too vile/socially dangerous to be allowed to protest/demonstrate, even peacefully, you can expect local authorities to start denying permits for demonstrations, instructing crackdowns by police, and co-ordinating violent counter protests to justify their positions. This approach weakens, not strengthens democracy. That's why the ACLU supported white nationalists against the City of Charlottesville. I'm very interested to see whether this debate will take place on the footing of accurate facts, or on the emotional wave of an unsubstantiated (at this point) narrative.....
And you admit that your focus on this case is because you are worried that the rights of "white people" are being infringed.


And it is idiotic to expect that DA to publicly release all their information before trial. Except disclosure to the defense, it never happens and it takes a pretty big ego to think that the DA must satisfy you before the charges can stand. The only times I've ever seen things released is when they are looking for more witnesses.

And you might want to look up what a grand jury is and the role the people play in determining if there is enough evidence to continue the case.
 

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White Nationalists, or really, White Supremacists, are a group that attack the democratic principles of the US and Canada, of equality of races.

And lets check the context of this case of suspected terrorism.

1) White Supremacists joked about ramming their cars into protesters.
http://www.theroot.com/leaked-chats-show-that-white-supremacists-joked-about-p-1798531208

2) Trump encourages attacking protesters.
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-told-white-supremacists-attack-protesters-so-they-did-650622

3) Republicans were in the process of trying to pass legislation making it legal to drive your car into protesters and injure/kill them.
https://thinkprogress.org/republica...tect-drivers-who-hit-protesters-4da6e6ebaa59/
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...ters-face-backlash-after-charlottesville.html

Including this bill:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics...-been-legal-under-these-republican-proposals/

So we have white supremacists planning attacks with cars, encouraged to act through Trump and with the Republican party trying to make these kinds of attacks legal.
Sorry but including Trump and the North Carolina legislature have no bearing on the case. The online comments will only have relevance if it can be shown that the accused was involved in those posts.

When the DA sees plenty of actual evidence against the accused, trying to implicate Trump and the GoP is ridiculous.
 

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My god ,... you are dumb,... members put other members on ignore so as to NOT read their cowardly bull shit fuji.
I don't give a fuck what he wants or you want. He posted some white supremacist nonsense about how American values are white values and I pointed it out.

You are violating the forum rules with these insults, and you are wrong: the ignore feature does not control what others post, That's not what it does. Not what it's used for. Not what it's meant for. Get that through your thick skull.
 
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