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    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    Speaking of childish, I remember a saying that applies to you. "Can dish it out but can't take it."
    I can take what ever some loser initiates.

    Including those who have to use a "saying" when attempting to insult.

  2. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Plug View Post
    I haven't suggested anything, because there is no information I can find explaining how she died.
    The video, news reports, eyewitness reports and charges all point to Heyer dying as a result of neo-nazi protester James Fields driving his car into a crowd of people protesting against neo-nazis.

    What I can't find anywhere is any legit evidence or theory that disputes this.

  3. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Plug View Post
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    1. I've never suggested Heyer isn't dead, nor have I suggested her death is unrelated to the collision. I haven't suggested anything, because there is no information I can find explaining how she died.
    ...
    Yet you fixate on this case when there are a few million deaths each year in North America you could look at instead/as well.

  4. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Plug View Post
    The courts will do their job in time. However, if this thread proves anything, it shows that people will draw their own conclusions long before that, and will rely on those conclusions in connection with discussions about such topics as: a) race relations, b) free speech, c) domestic terrorism, etc. Unless you also plan to ban discussion of these issues pending the outcome of the trial, you're being unrealistic in expecting people not to be interested in the facts related to Charlottesville.
    Unless you doubt the guy was protesting with the neo-nazis, drove his car into the protesters, injured a bunch and killed one, the conclusions are completely valid.

  5. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious Von View Post
    Bud Plug.

    You have to be thin skinned, very thin skinned indeed, to put anyone on this board on ignore. The deed has never once crossed my mind.
    I wholeheartedly disagree with you, particularly as it relates to the specific member you are addressing. Bud plug is clearly all about QUALITY versus QUANTITY. Whether you agree with his ideologies or not, he's obviously not a board troll.

    Whereas the two members he has on ignore average FIVE HUNDRED posts per month. In fact Fuji is closer to a THOUSAND. Which IMO, is borderline insanity. Cuckoo. Loco. Terb is clearly a HUGE part of their lives. That's OK for them I guess but some of us have a very finite amount of time to spend online. So I totally understand BP not wanting to be pulled into their constant quagmire of toxic bullshit/taunting/verbal abuse/trolling, etc.

    It's not thin-skinned at all, it's smart and time efficient.

  6. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Plug View Post
    The courts will do their job in time. However, if this thread proves anything, it shows that people will draw their own conclusions long before that, and will rely on those conclusions in connection with discussions about such topics as: a) race relations, b) free speech, c) domestic terrorism, etc. Unless you also plan to ban discussion of these issues pending the outcome of the trial, you're being unrealistic in expecting people not to be interested in the facts related to Charlottesville.
    I am not saying in any way that you should not have the freedom to investigate whatever you want. I am just saying that your serach for facts using google/facebook/twitter is a futile one, they only thing you will find using those methods is a metric tonne of conspiracy theories. If you are serious then get a plane ticket and go down there, maybe you might be the closest thing to a journalist there is down there.

    I think you are seeing the importance of this case as being much higher than it actually is. The US has long been divided amoung racial lines, especially in poor counties.

    Just take a chill pill, wait for the trial, read about the facts presented and you can make an informed decision. If you do not agree with the verdict then you can talk about it on terb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious Von View Post

    You have to be thin skinned, very thin skinned indeed, to put anyone on this board on ignore. The deed has never once crossed my mind.
    Members put others on ignore in an attempt to let them know they will not be quoting/responding to their posts,... and expect them to do the same.

    Generally, most members are adult,... and will not quote/respond to their posts,... unless they are cowards, senile, or just plain ass holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FAST View Post
    Members put others on ignore in an attempt to let them know they will not be quoting/responding to their posts,... and expect them to do the same.

    Generally, most members are adult,... and will not quote/respond to their posts,... unless they are cowards, senile, or just plain ass holes.
    Ignore isn't a feature that enables you to censor others.

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  9. #81

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuji View Post
    Ignore isn't a feature that enables you to censor others.
    What it does do,... is enable all to see who are cowards, senile, and just plain ass holes.

    You quoted and replied one of my posts with your usual childish insults,... while I was banned,... and I obviously could not respond.

    So which one of the above are you fuji,...???

  10. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by FAST View Post
    What it does do,... is enable all to see who are cowards, senile, and just plain ass holes.

    You quoted and replied one of my posts with your usual childish insults,... while I was banned,... and I obviously could not respond.

    So which one of the above are you fuji,...???
    Why were you banned, were you a coward, senile or an asshole?

  11. #83
    Here is a link to a more recent CNN story which presents some photographs and interviews the photographer:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/cha...lle-car-photo/

    Of note:

    1. Heyer is not identified in the photograph, although one person shown to be struck by the vehicle apparently was attending the rally with her. Anderson Cooper is not stupid. Notably he does not ask any questions about Heather Heyer in relation to the photographs.
    2. The photographer says the vehicle backed up on the street before accelerating into the crowd. Compare that statement to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7FPmojhEeE (no tire spin marks at the start of the approach of the car or sound of car accelerating).

    The most interesting video is this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Bf9XOetMw which shows:

    1. The car which is later involved in the crash at 00:53 (about 8 minutes of livestream before the incident)
    2. The van which blocked the intersection at 2:51 (about 5 minutes of livestream before the incident). The van appears to be unimpeded by the crowd at this point in time.
    3. No evidence of tire skid marks on the road above the place the accident (see 8:35)
    4. Medical care being provided to someone on the ground behind a pickup truck at the side of the street at 9:10.
    5. Another person getting medical care near the building wall to the side of the middle car of the collision at 11:00.
    6. Middle car air bag does not seem to have deployed (31:45)

    Another interesting video is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrRxXxJoraI. While I think the commenter is wrong when he suggests the other 2 cars in the collision were moving before the crash, what appears to be correct is that the car which causes the collision was attacked by a protester before the collision occurred (see 1:49). I don't recommend this video for its analysis, but rather for the focus it places on some of the video evidence.

    A video that analyzes where Heyer was in relation to the crash is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKZqG1T07cs. Again, I don't recommend it for its analysis of what Heyer's cause of death was (and in fairness, the poster doesn't claim certainty), but at least the video helps identify Heyer by her appearance that day, and likely position. The video also notes Heyer's mother confirming that Heyer's heart had to be restarted by CPR, which is consistent with the video of the person who is suggested to be Heyer.

    Again, none of this means Heyer's death is unrelated to the crash. It may, however, mean that Heyer was not struck by the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Plug View Post
    Here is a link to a more recent CNN story which presents some photographs and interviews the photographer:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/cha...lle-car-photo/

    Of note:

    1. Heyer is not identified in the photograph, although one person shown to be struck by the vehicle apparently was attending the rally with her. Anderson Cooper is not stupid. Notably he does not ask any questions about Heather Heyer in relation to the photographs.
    2. The photographer says the vehicle backed up on the street before accelerating into the crowd. Compare that statement to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7FPmojhEeE (no tire spin marks at the start of the approach of the car or sound of car accelerating).

    The most interesting video is this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Bf9XOetMw which shows:

    1. The car which is later involved in the crash at 00:53 (about 8 minutes of livestream before the incident)
    2. The van which blocked the intersection at 2:51 (about 5 minutes of livestream before the incident). The van appears to be unimpeded by the crowd at this point in time.
    3. No evidence of tire skid marks on the road above the place the accident (see 8:35)
    4. Medical care being provided to someone on the ground behind a pickup truck at the side of the street at 9:10.
    5. Another person getting medical care near the building wall to the side of the middle car of the collision at 11:00.
    6. Middle car air bag does not seem to have deployed (31:45)

    Another interesting video is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrRxXxJoraI. While I think the commenter is wrong when he suggests the other 2 cars in the collision were moving before the crash, what appears to be correct is that the car which causes the collision was attacked by a protester before the collision occurred (see 1:49). I don't recommend this video for its analysis, but rather for the focus it places on some of the video evidence.

    A video that analyzes where Heyer was in relation to the crash is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKZqG1T07cs. Again, I don't recommend it for its analysis of what Heyer's cause of death was (and in fairness, the poster doesn't claim certainty), but at least the video helps identify Heyer by her appearance that day, and likely position. The video also notes Heyer's mother confirming that Heyer's heart had to be restarted by CPR, which is consistent with the video of the person who is suggested to be Heyer.

    Again, none of this means Heyer's death is unrelated to the crash. It may, however, mean that Heyer was not struck by the car.
    Keep trying to deny right wing terrorism, it puts you in the same league as Galsegin.

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  13. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Plug View Post
    Here is a link to a more recent CNN story which presents some photographs and interviews the photographer:

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/cha...lle-car-photo/

    Of note:

    ...blah blah blah insert theory carefully crafted by watching youtube video of Nazi terrorism over and over again

    ....

    Again, none of this means Heyer's death is unrelated to the crash. It may, however, mean that Heyer was not struck by the car.

    Dude, your obsession with defending Nazis is a little disgusting.
    A quick look into the news shows that you must be getting your information from some pretty disgusting places.

    Nazis Claiming Heather Heyer Died of a Heart Attack
    Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatc...KiMbsOlgMfy.99
    Fringe Media Outlets Smear Heather Heyer, Alleging She Died by Heart Attack, Not a Raging White Supremacist
    http://www.theroot.com/fringe-media-...she-1803069261

    Fringe media are furiously trying to absolve the white nationalist who allegedly killed Heather Heyer
    Trolls and anonymous message boards are pushing the story that she died from a heart attack and health issues -- and not because she was hit by a car
    https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/20...lled-He/217886

    Nazis Claiming Heather Heyer Died of a Heart Attack
    SEPTEMBER 11, 2017 BY ED BRAYTON
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    After praising the man who deliberately plowed into a crowd of counterprotestors in Charlottesville, killing Heather Heyer and injuring a couple dozen others, the white supremacists and neo-Nazis are now trying to absolve him by claiming that she really died of a heart attack.


    Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatc...KiMbsOlgMfy.99
    So.....um......are you really siding with the Nazis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Dude, your obsession with defending Nazis is a little disgusting.
    A quick look into the news shows that you must be getting your information from some pretty disgusting places.




    http://www.theroot.com/fringe-media-...she-1803069261


    https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/20...lled-He/217886



    So.....um......are you really siding with the Nazis?
    The right wingers are busy trying to pick at straws to absolve this racist criminal James Fields. They will call you LIARS, and this goes on for every single scenario. Count the number of times they come up with this word with every single thread where you put a case where it is proven as well. Anyway, interesting video of what he did to his own mother. But in their eyes he is a saint and they have even condemned Heather Heyer numerous times as if she is the criminal and that guy was the innocent one trying to get away. Wait for the word LIAR to be repeated time and time again.

    http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/deta...urder-49260702

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    Quote Originally Posted by bver_hunter View Post
    The right wingers are busy trying to pick at straws to absolve this racist criminal James Fields. They will call you LIARS, and this goes on for every single scenario. Count the number of times they come up with this word with every single thread where you put a case where it is proven as well. Anyway, interesting video of what he did to his own mother. But in their eyes he is a saint and they have even condemned Heather Heyer numerous times as if she is the criminal and that guy was the innocent one trying to get away. Wait for the word LIAR to be repeated time and time again.

    http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/deta...urder-49260702
    Bud seems to have left this thread, as have the right wingers.
    But four pages of defending Nazi terrorism is still shocking.

  16. #88

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuji View Post
    Keep trying to deny right wing terrorism, it puts you in the same league as Galsegin.
    And just what is right wing terrorism,... other than the best current example,...Islamic terrorism,... that you constantly justify,... fuji,... ???

    Maybe its bankers charging too much interest,...???
    Last edited by FAST; 09-22-2017 at 09:30 PM.

  17. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by FAST View Post
    And just what is right wing terrorism,... ,...???
    Umm. Terrorism by people who subscribe to an extremist political philosophy based on right wing America?


    And although radical Islamists have a lot in common with bible thumpers in terms of religious morality, economically they don't fit the conservative agenda.

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