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Bud Plug

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Does anyone have a link to a video showing the position of Heather Heyer relative to the car collision that resulted in her death? I haven't seen one yet. Was she hit by the car when it was moving forward, or when it was backing out of the collision?

Has anyone accounted for what the drivers of the 2 vehicles blocking the road were doing? It would appear that the driver of the van (closest to intersection) was not in the vehicle.

I'm interested in the forensics of this incident.
 

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And you wonder why people don't like you. SMH
That's why I have him on perma-ignore. I guess he's forgotten that.
 

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That's why I have him on perma-ignore. I guess he's forgotten that.
Won't make any difference if you do.

Thread not even one day old,... and also the 1st to be initiating childish insults.
 

Frankfooter

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Never mind me, feel free to tell us how it was all an accident and that some of those neo-nazis are 'very fine people'.

I'll just sit back and see how this thread goes, I'm sure there won't be any reason to jump in again.
 

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Does anyone have a link to a video showing the position of Heather Heyer relative to the car collision that resulted in her death? I haven't seen one yet. Was she hit by the car when it was moving forward, or when it was backing out of the collision?

Has anyone accounted for what the drivers of the 2 vehicles blocking the road were doing? It would appear that the driver of the van (closest to intersection) was not in the vehicle.

I'm interested in the forensics of this incident.
Interesting hobby. Unless you're claiming the event didn't happen, I don't think it matters much which of the people he drove into died as it's pretty evident that it wasn't an accidental collision.
 

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Interesting hobby. Unless you're claiming the event didn't happen, I don't think it matters much which of the people he drove into died as it's pretty evident that it wasn't an accidental collision.
There is video of the event happening but what is unclear is whether the vehicle hit Heather Heyer or not. There is a smashed windshield but no blood can be detected. Also on the pictures of Heather on the stretcher she is stripped down to shirt and panties but there is no blood visible on her body. Given the carnage I'm actually shocked that nobody else perished in this attack.
 

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There is no doubt that Heather Heyer was killed when the vehicle driven by that scumbag had killed her.
There are some on this board who blame her for her own murder.
 

Bud Plug

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Interesting hobby. Unless you're claiming the event didn't happen, I don't think it matters much which of the people he drove into died as it's pretty evident that it wasn't an accidental collision.
If by interesting hobby, you mean discussing world events with strangers who hold intransigent views on an internet poon board, I take your point. But here I am, and so are you, so it must be both our hobbies.

As to what we know, all we have some news reporting and we have some content posted by ordinary people on the internet. Some of that information is easy to find, but I don't imagine that I've found everything that might be germane. That collective information establishes some aspects of what happened very clearly, other aspects less so. I'm interested in what happened - EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. Unlike some, I'm not interested in some internet posters "takes" on the event. I'm interested in facts. If you and others are not, that doesn't trouble me in the least. To me, this is a noteworthy event. A fatality in these circumstances (in the context of a clash between protesters, and involving a vehicle) happens very seldom in the US. Exactly what happened could be very important to US political discourse about a number of issues, including race relations, public demonstration rights, policing, preservation/destruction of historical monuments, domestic terrorism policy, etc.

I don't offer a narrative for what happened at this point. It would be premature to do so before I think I understand enough facts. I doubt you have better information at this point than I do, particularly since you don't find the subject to be all that interesting.

There are some facts that pique my interest to want to know more. I've seen video showing some people being knocked over by the side of the car as it collided with the cars blocking the intersection. I haven't seen a clear video showing anyone being struck BETWEEN the cars. I've seen video of protesters attacking the car. It's not clear to me whether they attacked both before and after the collision. I have seen video of protesters who jumped on the car and/or blocked it from behind struck or thrown from the car as it reversed from the collision. I haven't seen clear reporting on Heyer's precise injuries leading to her death or as to how exactly she was impacted by the collision. I haven't seen a video (despite the existence of at least 5 different videos of the collision, a fact that, to me, is curious in itself) where Heyer's position in relation to the collision is identified.

No person should be troubled by an inquiry to the facts of what happened here, unless they've already formed their own narrative and are concerned that further information could challenge their premature take on events.

So, Basket, having no interest in this event is fair enough, but having no interest AND thinking that you can draw indisputable conclusions about the event is just sloppy thinking.
 

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That's all very scholarly and high-minded, but unless you're soliciting police accident-reports, and signed witness statements all you're really asking for and going to get are un-verified videos. That make you sound more ghoulish than inquiring. And once you've analyzed them from a thousand miles away your 'conclusions' will likely be on a par with the fairytales generated by 9/11 Conspiracy theorists in their man-caves. Why not wait for the trial and its rigorous vetting of the evidence presented, contested and proven?

By all means go ahead with your search, just don't over-hype the curiosity.
 

Bud Plug

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That's all very scholarly and high-minded, but unless you're soliciting police accident-reports, and signed witness statements all you're really asking for and going to get are un-verified videos. That make you sound more ghoulish than inquiring. And once you've analyzed them from a thousand miles away your 'conclusions' will likely be on a par with the fairytales generated by 9/11 Conspiracy theorists in their man-caves. Why not wait for the trial and its rigorous vetting of the evidence presented, contested and proven?

By all means go ahead with your search, just don't over-hype the curiosity.
The details of this incident are at least as interesting as a thousand other stories being covered to death by the media every day. Ghoulish? Perhaps, if the incident didn't have social relevance beyond possible criminal liability.

Of course, not all of the evidence that will be available at the trial will be publicly available at this time. However, this incident happened in a public place, and there were hundreds of witnesses, a number of whom took pictures and video. I don't think it's unrealistic to think that more information about this incident is publicly available than what has been released through the press or internet posts I've managed to see. In particular, it's strange to me that I can't find an account as to precisely how Heyer was struck by the car. Given the crowd, there must have been dozens of people within a few feet of her.

At this point, there are several odd aspects of the incident (perhaps further facts will clear them up), but I won't bore you with that, as you're not that interested.

Oh, and thanks for your patronizing advice about applying discipline in connection with reaching any conclusions based on the available information (not that such advice has been adopted by any number of news media outlets, political pundits, or TERB posters), but I got a handle on that concept long ago.
 

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There are easier and more reliable ways to fake a murder than relying on someone on the other side to drive a car into a crowd. If someone really wanted to make the right look like dog shit, they would have used bombs as part of the staged murder. That would be more reliable, and have a much larger negative impact on the right.
 

Bud Plug

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There are easier and more reliable ways to fake a murder than relying on someone on the other side to drive a car into a crowd. If someone really wanted to make the right look like dog shit, they would have used bombs as part of the staged murder. That would be more reliable, and have a much larger negative impact on the right.
There you are looking for a narrative, and here I am looking for some basic facts.
 

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Just for those who might be wondering why I never respond to Fuji or Frankfooter, it's because I have them both on ignore. They both know that, yet despite that knowledge they persist in responding to my posts as if we are engaged in a dialogue, or might exchange with one another. I'm not sure whether the better name for that behavior is trolling or stalking. Either way, it is odd behavior, and gives you a glimpse into their personalities.

While there is no telling what nonsense they are posting, I can be sure of one thing, it is sure to be unresponsive to my call for links to the information I'm looking for.
 

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Just for those who might be wondering why I never respond to Fuji or Frankfooter, it's because I have them both on ignore. They both know that, yet despite that knowledge they persist in responding to my posts as if we are engaged in a dialogue, or might exchange with one another. I'm not sure whether the better name for that behavior is trolling or stalking. Either way, it is odd behavior, and gives you a glimpse into their personalities.

While there is no telling what nonsense they are posting, I can be sure of one thing, it is sure to be unresponsive to my call for links to the information I'm looking for.
You never respond because you can't. For example your failure to call this "car death" terrorism is inexcusable and you know that no amount of sophistry is going to make it ok.

I'm not having a dialogue with you, I'm shutting your bullshit down for the benefit of everyone else.

Contrary to your thread headline this was terrorism.
 

bver_hunter

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The basic facts are a neo-nazi protester drove into a crowd, killing one and injuring 19.
He is now facing numerous charges.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/local/charlottesville-timeline/?utm_term=.05e63f33da2b
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/charlottesville-james-alex-fields-charges/index.html

Those are the basic facts.
If those are not the factual accounts of what occurred, then nothing will seem to please those trying to understand this whole terrorist incident.
But the extreme right wing were also chanting that Dylann Roof was a hero?? This guy was a terrorist who killed 9 church goers purely because they were black. These disgusting racist groups should be condemned by all, as they support terrorism.
 
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