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Does it ever end?

Now, it's being reported that Hillary Clinton is blaming Bernie Sanders for her loss in the 2016 election. Apparently, Bernie was undermining the efforts to have a representative of the Democratic Party elected to the White House.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lintons-subtly-savage-take-on-bernie-sanders/
I love this, the left wing of the Democratic Party (the wing not constantly under indictment) already hates her, this should help.
 

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Is there anyone who thinks Hillary would have still lost if Bernie was not in the picture???
 

james t kirk

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The only one Hillary should blame is Hillary.

She got defeated by an orange primate.

That and the goofiest electoral system that disregards the will of 3 million voters.
 

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Is there anyone who thinks Hillary would have still lost if Bernie was not in the picture???
I don't think many Bernie voters voted for Trump?

If anything she needed stronger competition for the nomination.
 

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The only one Hillary should blame is Hillary.

She got defeated by an orange primate.

That and the goofiest electoral system that disregards the will of 3 million voters.
Whatever happened with those recounts

LOL
 

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Whatever happened with those recounts

LOL
The ones that were done confirmed she won the vote.

Although many Trumptards claim her winning plurality was entirely illegal voters, none of them has so far had the courage to actually go before a judge and try to prove it. Meanwhile the Veep heads a commission dedicated to getting at least three million Democratic voters off the lists before 2020.
 

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The ones that were done confirmed she won the vote.

Although many Trumptards claim her winning plurality was entirely illegal voters, none of them has so far had the courage to actually go before a judge and try to prove it. Meanwhile the Veep heads a commission dedicated to getting at least three million Democratic voters off the lists before 2020.
You are not paying attention, there were recounts in WI, MI and PA, all confirming Trump won. Some of your fellow gullibales let their emotions cause them to lose money on a foolish recount.
 

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The only one Hillary should blame is Hillary.

She got defeated by an orange primate.

That and the goofiest electoral system that disregards the will of 3 million voters.
There's nothing wrong with the electoral system. Each state has a proportional amount of electoral votes based upon voting population. It's worked well for over 200 years. Furthermore, there were at least that many votes (3M) that were cast by ineligible voters and the vast majority of those i'm sure went to Hillary.
 

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Hillary is an elitist. Elitists never take ownership for their own failures. She lost the election because she didn't work hard enough to get votes. She lost the election because she was untrustworthy, unlikable and displayed a clear lack of sound judgement in many instances. From Benghazi, to the email server fiasco. She lost the election because she promised more of the Obama agenda. She lost the election because she was a political insider and people wanted something different.
 

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Democrats dread Hillary's book tour

Reliving the 2016 nightmare is the last thing the party needs right now, many say.

By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE and GABRIEL DEBENEDETTI
09/07/2017 05:09 AM EDT
President Donald Trump may be the only person in politics truly excited about Hillary Clinton’s book tour.

Democratic operatives can’t stand the thought of her picking the scabs of 2016, again — the Bernie Sanders divide, the Jim Comey complaints, the casting blame on Barack Obama for not speaking out more on Russia. Alums of her Brooklyn headquarters who were miserable even when they thought she was winning tend to greet the topic with, “Oh, God,” “I can’t handle it,” and “the final torture.”

Political reporters gripe privately (and on Twitter) about yet another return to the campaign that will never end. Campaign operatives don't want the distraction, just as they head into another election season. And members of Congress from both parties want the focus on an agenda that’s getting more complicated by the week.

But with a new NBC News poll showing her approval rating at 30 percent, the lowest recorded for her, Clinton kicks it off on Tuesday with a signing at the Union Square Barnes & Noble in New York. She’ll keep it going all the way through December, all across the country.

“Maybe at the worst possible time, as we are fighting some of the most high-stakes policy and institutional battles we may ever see, at a time when we’re trying to bring the party together so we can all move the party forward — stronger, stronger together,” said Rep. Jared Huffman, a Democrat who represents a Northern California district. “She’s got every right to tell her story. Who am I to say she shouldn’t, or how she should tell it? But it is difficult for some of us, even like myself who’ve supported her, to play out all these media cycles about the blame game, and the excuses.”

In a tweet late Tuesday night, Huffman pleaded with Clinton to stop blaming Sanders for her loss, as she partly does in the book, according to excerpts that leaked ahead of its release. Huffman said the tweet had gotten a lot of "likes" from his colleagues — albeit in private conversations with him.

“There is a collective groan,” he said, “whenever there’s another news cycle about this.”

Asked whether she was excited about Clinton’s book tour, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), one of Republicans’ top 2018 targets, responded first with, “Beg your pardon?”

Asked again, she started shaking her head, walking away.

“I’ve always been a looking forward kind of a guy,” said Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), asked the same question on Wednesday. “I think I’ll leave it at that.”

Even elected Republicans say they’ve had enough.

“I look forward to going to every place where she appears,” Sen. John McCain of Arizona said sarcastically.

McCain pointed out that he didn’t write a book after losing the 2008 presidential race.

“I respect and admire and am a friend of Hillary’s,” he said. “But with these kind of things that happen in life, you’ve got to move on. You’ve got to quickly move on.”

Then again, Clinton’s first event sold out in hours, and the book vaulted to the top of Amazon's best-seller list weeks before its release, almost certain to set a 2017 record.

For Clinton, it's not about the future of the Democratic Party. She's promoting the book because she doesn't think the story of 2016 has been told properly. People close to her believe there's still no closure from 2016, and that no one has offered a reliable autopsy.

Her inner circle — which has been slowly whittled down to longtime aides like Huma Abedin, Nick Merrill, Philippe Reines, Dan Schwerin and a few friends — is defiant.

"I think she should just zip it, but she's not going to," said one top Democratic donor who spoke with Clinton about the book this summer.

Merrill didn’t respond to an email seeking comment.

Many people close to her and supportive of her insist that any concerns about relitigating 2016 are just wrong. Democratic and White House politics are shaped around last year's campaign regardless, they say, and her voice is the only one not currently part of the conversation.

Clinton has spoken with friends about how Republicans are likely to be apoplectic over the book tour. But every time she shows her face in public she's mobbed by fans, and her allies believe there are tens of millions of people who want to hear from her.

"Her book and her tour is not just important for history, it's so important for now," said longtime Clinton friend and fundraiser Robert Zimmerman, who is also a Democratic National Committee member. "It's a very healthy conversation to have, and it's important to put the internal party issues in perspective. If we're going to move forward as a party, and if we're going to move forward as a country, Hillary Clinton's experiences, her insight, is essential."

“People will be giving her a second hearing,” predicted Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.). “And given the way the fella’s performing in the White House, people are having buyer’s remorse.”

It's not hard to imagine Trump belittling Clinton's book via his Twitter feed. But some Democrats have already beat him to it.

“A Sad, Petty ‘It's Everyone Else's Fault,’ Book,” read an email from Sanders die-hard (and Clinton’s 2006 Senate primary opponent) Jonathan Tasini.

“Pathetic. But it is a planned mass PR campaign in prep for the corporate #Dems next candidate. Reality: 75% did not vote 4 her. Denial,” tweeted RoseAnn DeMoro, the executive director of National Nurses United.

Clinton worked on the book with a small team of personal aides, but consulted a wide range of friends and former staffers. Sections of the book have been floating around among sympathetic Democrats for weeks, so many Clinton allies are bracing for impact.

“It will be a hubbub for two or three months,” predicted former DNC chairman and Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a Clinton family friend who was consulted during Hillary's book-writing process. “There will be a controversy about it.”

Even among some of Clinton's former aides, there's an exhaustion of not wanting to have to defend her anymore. They’ve spent the past two weeks chattering among themselves about the rollout, including frustration over the sheer number of Twitter jokes about Clinton visiting Wisconsin on the tour — something she famously didn't do during the general election.

Republicans and Sanders-aligned Democrats quickly started mocking the high cost of entry to some events — “VIP Platinum” tickets to her Toronto stop, for example, run up to $3,000 and include a meet-and-greet — that reminds them of the paid speech controversy that dogged her throughout the campaign.

Many also believe the party has largely moved on from 2016, and that this is a selfish endeavor more about Clinton’s own feelings than helping the party or country take their next steps. Others worry about the sections on Obama, including Clinton's speculation in the book about what would have happened had the former president done a prime-time address on Russian interference in the election. Clinton also takes a swipe at Joe Biden for criticizing her since the election.

And many current candidates don’t want to be anywhere near her. After the initial book tour schedule was posted last month, one Democratic operative working on 2018 races notified 15 campaign clients that Clinton would be within 500 miles of them, warning them to prepare: "The more the focus is on us, and not Trump, the harder 2018 is going to be."

Republicans, on the other hand, love pointing out that with their own party tearing itself apart, nothing unifies them like the opportunity to attack Clinton.

Many GOP pros are relishing the book tour, eager to tie Democratic candidates to their unpopular former nominee and take the focus off their own president and party rifts.

But there’s also a sense of indifference within the Republican ranks.

Lou Barletta, the GOP congressman now running for Senate in Pennsylvania as a Trump ally, said he hadn’t thought about Clinton’s return.

“It doesn’t really matter to me,” he said. “Some will like it, some won’t.”
 

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I think that the majority of the Dems are just tired of her. I can also understand her bitterness. Being defeated, twice, by candidates without political experience and connections would give a pause to anyone. But, then, she was never really popular, respected nor liked, even going all the way back to the Arkansas days. The DNC made a strategic mistake. They should have run Hillary in 2008 and Obama in 16.
 

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Does it ever end?

Now, it's being reported that Hillary Clinton is blaming Bernie Sanders for her loss in the 2016 election. Apparently, Bernie was undermining the efforts to have a representative of the Democratic Party elected to the White House.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lintons-subtly-savage-take-on-bernie-sanders/
Hillary is right. Everyone should have parted out of her way and thrown rose pedals on the ground as she was hand carried to the white house.

She should have followed Trump's lead who was already blaming everyone in case he lost. Crooked media, corrupt bankers (who he later hired) and rigged election booths. Hopefully this is the last dying cries of a failed politician and the way will be clear for a younger successor willing to fight for the presidency instead of hoping to be crowned.
 

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I think that the majority of the Dems are just tired of her. I can also understand her bitterness. Being defeated, twice, by candidates without political experience and connections would give a pause to anyone. But, then, she was never really popular, respected nor liked, even going all the way back to the Arkansas days. The DNC made a strategic mistake. They should have run Hillary in 2008 and Obama in 16.
Why would you say that?

The democrats won twice in a row under Obama. That obviously was a good choice and he proved to be an excellent president.

There was no guarantee Hillary would have won in 2008.

But you are absolutely correct that Hillary was unlikeable. There's just something about her.
 

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Why would you say that?

The democrats won twice in a row under Obama. That obviously was a good choice and he proved to be an excellent president.

There was no guarantee Hillary would have won in 2008.

But you are absolutely correct that Hillary was unlikeable. There's just something about her.
They lost 1,000 seats to the GOP nation wide during his 8 years, he was a catastrophe for the Democrats.
 

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Hillary is starting to look like Sarah Palin, she should STFU. She had two kicks at the can and came up short, 2016 was entirely on her. Putting asshole celebrities in the forefront really worked against her.
 

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Why would you say that?

The democrats won twice in a row under Obama. That obviously was a good choice and he proved to be an excellent president.

There was no guarantee Hillary would have won in 2008.

But you are absolutely correct that Hillary was unlikeable. There's just something about her.
McCain was a very weak candidate with no platform; after 8 years of Bush Hillary was a good bet to win.
 

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McCain was a very weak candidate with no platform; after 8 years of Bush Hillary was a good bet to win.
Trump was even worse than McCain, he's literally the most unpopular President in history, and she couldn't beat him so what makes you think 2008 would have been different?
 
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