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President Trump just dropped a brand new tweet storm doubling down on comments he made at an impromptu press conference earlier this week that sparked a media firestorm and left many calling, yet again, for his immediate resignation.
Responding to actions taken around the country to remove confederate statues in the wake of the violence in Charlottesville last weekend, Trump said it's "sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart."


Sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments. You can't change history, but you can learn from it. Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson - who's next, Washington, Jefferson? So foolish!
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danmand said:
President Trump just dropped a brand new tweet storm doubling down on comments he made at an impromptu press conference earlier this week that sparked a media firestorm and left many calling, yet again, for his immediate resignation.
Responding to actions taken around the country to remove confederate statues in the wake of the violence in Charlottesville last weekend, Trump said it's "sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart."

Sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments. You can't change history, but you can learn from it. Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson - who's next, Washington, Jefferson? So foolish!
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Also the beauty that is being taken out of our cities, towns and parks will
be greatly missed and never able to be comparably replaced!
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About the statues, I'd have to agree. But not about the inscriptions honouring the men and ignoring the shameful truth about the discreditable cause they fought for. Put the horrible truth on the inscriptions and let the sculptures stay. At least the good ones.

Anyone really leading the country would be out in front of this issue, insisting that merely trying to erase the last 150 years will only perpetuate the fear and prejudice. Americans need a President who has the brains and guts to help them face their truths and make them reconcile their differences.

Instead they smugly praise the rigged democracy that delivered this leader, one who just makes it all worse. And so they kill each other in the streets over their country's failings.
 
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oldjones said:
About the statues, I'd have to agree. But not about the inscriptions honouring the men and ignoring the shameful truth about the discreditable cause they fought for. Put the horrible truth on the inscriptions and let the sculptures stay. At least the good ones.

Anyone really leading the country would be out in front of this issue, insisting that merely trying to erase the last 150 years will only perpetuate the fear and prejudice. Americans need a President who has the brains and guts to help them face their truths and make them reconcile their differences.

Instead they smugly praise the rigged democracy that delivered this leader, one who just makes it all worse. And so they kill each other in the streets over their country's failings.
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You are right about the apparent silliness of taking down historical statues. However, if they are usurped and become the lightening rod for white supremacists, it is best to take them down.
 
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OJ, there is a very complicated and nuanced meaning to those statues. I put up a link to the Wiki article on "the Lost Cause" in another thread earlier today. The article is fascinating and a must read.

The statues are an integral part of Jim Crow and they now need to come down.

The current neo nazi horseshit is only the latest problem with them.
 
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danmand said:
You are right about the apparent silliness of taking down historical statues. However, if they are usurped and become the lightening rod for white supremacists, it is best to take them down.
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Just listening to a descendant of Robert E. Lee on the radio, saying his great-great-great grandfather wrote letters saying statues to him should NOT be put up as they would just become sources of controversy and prolong the animosity.

Just as he, and you have said, the moronic and hateful conduct of Trump and those he has expressed solidarity with has led to an even speedier removals because of the bigotry they encourage.

I'm just saddened because it amounts to taking refuge in immature simple-mindedness and censorship when we so desperately need to mature to the point where we can rationally face our innermost fears instead of projecting them onto make-believe enemies.
 
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Trump would never allow statues of losers to stand, somebody on his staff needs to brief him about the civil war.
 
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HungSowel said:
Trump would never allow statues of losers to stand, somebody on his staff needs to brief him about the civil war.
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You mean Trump hasn't read one of the many, authoritative multi volume history texts on the topic already? You shock and surprise me! Perhaps the most bigly studious and well informed politician in modern times.
 
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This all puts me in mind of how Loyalists were written out of Nineteenth Century American published Genealogies, and at least in Ontario although not nearly so much in the Maritimes, Americans through most of the Nineteenth Century, were not just the other, but an active force of evil.

That said, I fully realize that most anglophone Canadians have nineteenth century or later immigrant backgrounds, if they are not themselves immigrants, still one might bear this in mind.
 
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SkyRider said:
Ty Cobb was a racist. Oh no, I shouldn't have mentioned that.
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The vast majority of the Union Army, as well as most Northern Politicians (including President Lincoln and Vice-President Hamlin), save for the Radical Republican wing were the same.
 
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You mean Trump hasn't read one of the many, authoritative multi volume history texts on the topic already? You shock and surprise me! Perhaps the most bigly studious and well informed politician in modern times.
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Trump was going to read the texts but he came down with a bad case of the heel spurs.
 
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SkyRider said:
Ty Cobb was a racist. Oh no, I shouldn't have mentioned that.
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He almost beat to death a black spectator for sitting in the White section at a Tigers' game. And he murdered his wife. Guess he didn't like women much either.

Not sure what your point is. The legend of Ty Cobb both its positive and negative aspects is a well-known part of the lore of baseball.
 
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Aardvark154 said:
The vast majority of the Union Army, as well as most Northern Politicians (including President Lincoln and Vice-President Hamlin), save for the Radical Republican wing were the same.
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But they fought against slavery anyway. Unlike Robert E. Lee, who was given a clear choice at the beginning of the war. He was offered command of the Union army, but chose to turn it down to "defend Virginia". At least that's how the Southern post war writers spun the tale. But of course, REL was himself a large-scale slave-owner who would have been ruined by emancipation. Not that this would ever have affected his judgment.

For he was - like Brutus - a very honourable man.
 
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