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lovetooplease69

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Hi guys, my first experience in this was with a MA and it was ok but nothing compared to an SP for almost the same amount of money. So my question is did I miss something being my first experience? With a MA there was no kissing or bj of any kind just a massage and body slide and hj happy ending. Do some MA provide more because if so I'd be willing to try again.
 

ElCapitain

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Hi guys, my first experience in this was with a MA and it was ok but nothing compared to an SP for almost the same amount of money. So my question is did I miss something being my first experience? With a MA there was no kissing or bj of any kind just a massage and body slide and hj happy ending. Do some MA provide more because if so I'd be willing to try again.
Sorry to hear you had a disappointing first experience. Service levels do vary quite a bit among MAs, all the way from just massage with an HJ to some subset of every acronym you can think of, including FS.

As a general rule, you shouldn't go in expecting kissing unless you've asked the girl in advance or if she advertises GFE. You might get it, you might not. GFE almost always includes some kissing, even though Tolleman's criterion doesn't require it for a GFE session. Note that GFE in the massage context means something totally different than GFE in the SP context.

Also, be aware that the rules at CMJ and Brass prevent BJs and FS. Yes, the odd girls do break the rules, especially with regulars, but you're generally going to be disappointed at those two places if you're looking for this kind of thing. (Some girls will do bareback pussyslides as a way to work around the rules, but my impression is that management is discouraging this lately because too many girls were getting sick, and it causes problems when clients also get sick.) Most other places in the city are much more lax on what is allowed, unofficially or quasi-unofficially, and at least CBJs are not uncommon.

Anyway, to answer your title question, the reason I prefer MAs is because I like the conversation, the skin-on-skin contact, and the long tease. (The convenience is also nice.) With SPs, I either worry about blowing too early, or I do blow too early and then have to caress this person I know very little about until I get hard again for round two, and at that point I'm not into it as much unless I'm really, really horny. Generally the conversation is a lot better with MAs because when you're lying on your front you've got a lot of time to talk, and the girls are often less jaded than SPs. And if you love bodyslides, it's harder to get nuru with SPs.

Health risks are not really a reason to see MAs over SPs though; I think MAs are riskier on average in that sense actually for a variety of reasons.
 

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I don't understand how MA services could be considered less safe, unless you're specifically looking for MAs who cross the line. In those cases I'd agree, and would add strippers who do extras to the riskier group as well. If we're only talking about MAs who stay within CMJ-style house rules though it doesn't make sense to say it's riskier than a BBBJ .

Sorry to hear you had a disappointing first experience. Service levels do vary quite a bit among MAs, all the way from just massage with an HJ to some subset of every acronym you can think of, including FS.

As a general rule, you shouldn't go in expecting kissing unless you've asked the girl in advance or if she advertises GFE. You might get it, you might not. GFE almost always includes some kissing, even though Tolleman's criterion doesn't require it for a GFE session. Note that GFE in the massage context means something totally different than GFE in the SP context.

Also, be aware that the rules at CMJ and Brass prevent BJs and FS. Yes, the odd girls do break the rules, especially with regulars, but you're generally going to be disappointed at those two places if you're looking for this kind of thing. (Some girls will do bareback pussyslides as a way to work around the rules, but my impression is that management is discouraging this lately because too many girls were getting sick, and it causes problems when clients also get sick.) Most other places in the city are much more lax on what is allowed, unofficially or quasi-unofficially, and at least CBJs are not uncommon.

Anyway, to answer your title question, the reason I prefer MAs is because I like the conversation, the skin-on-skin contact, and the long tease. (The convenience is also nice.) With SPs, I either worry about blowing too early, or I do blow too early and then have to caress this person I know very little about until I get hard again for round two, and at that point I'm not into it as much unless I'm really, really horny. Generally the conversation is a lot better with MAs because when you're lying on your front you've got a lot of time to talk, and the girls are often less jaded than SPs. And if you love bodyslides, it's harder to get nuru with SPs.

Health risks are not really a reason to see MAs over SPs though; I think MAs are riskier on average in that sense actually for a variety of reasons.
 

ElCapitain

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Also, be aware that the rules at CMJ and Brass prevent BJs and FS. Yes, the odd girls do break the rules, especially with regulars, but you're generally going to be disappointed at those two places if you're looking for this kind of thing. (Some girls will do bareback pussyslides as a way to work around the rules, but my impression is that management is discouraging this lately because too many girls were getting sick, and it causes problems when clients also get sick.) Most other places in the city are much more lax on what is allowed, unofficially or quasi-unofficially, and at least CBJs are not uncommon.
I noticed one well-known SP has quoted this portion of my post on Twitter and it has caused some discussion, claiming we're all asking for unsafe services. Let me be clear -- the whole reason I wrote this is to try to calibrate expectations so that clients aren't pestering girls for things that are against club rules and unsafe. That's not intended to remove choice from those who work at more permissive spas and choose to offer riskier services, as long as both sides understand the risks.

I do agree with the Twitter poster that yes, I think there is a huge amount of coercion in this industry, from a lot of factors (financial, societal, from management, from clients (especially the people who do serial reviews), etc.). But part of why unsafe services get offered is also because of lack of knowledge -- younger and more experienced girls don't always get informed about the risks from spa management or from other girls, and they see that they're getting wonderful feedback and repeats from clients when they start to do this, and so they keep doing it until they get their first positive chlamydia test, and for someone who's still 19 or 20, it's a huge mental and emotional thing to deal with. And likewise for clients; they may not have asked for a service specifically, and having to explain a positive test result to your SO sucks.

Where I differ from the Twitter poster is that I don't think anyone deserves to be shamed for their choices, past or present. No one is perfect. I'm not a fan of BBBJ because throat chalmydia and gonhorrea put other girls at risk in other scenarios (duos with DATY, etc.), not to mention putting clients and their SOs at risk, but I'm not shaming girls who offer it.
 

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Hi guys, my first experience in this was with a MA and it was ok but nothing compared to an SP for almost the same amount of money. So my question is did I miss something being my first experience? With a MA there was no kissing or bj of any kind just a massage and body slide and hj happy ending. Do some MA provide more because if so I'd be willing to try again.
This question comes up from time to time. The answer is actually quite simple I suspect: not everyone is looking for SP services. If you are an SP type of guy who is all about "mileage" you might have a hard time understanding this and see MPs as a waste of money. For many clients, getting a nice massage in an upscale environment is what they are looking for with no desire for bj or whatever. "Different strokes for different folks," I guess you could say.

On the review boards there seem to be some guys who spend too much time trying to get SP services from MA establishments. If you do this, don't be surprised if you end up disappointed, especially in Ottawa. If you want SP services, by far your best bet is to go see a SP.
 

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Hi guys, my first experience in this was with a MA and it was ok but nothing compared to an SP for almost the same amount of money. So my question is did I miss something being my first experience? With a MA there was no kissing or bj of any kind just a massage and body slide and hj happy ending. Do some MA provide more because if so I'd be willing to try again.
For some the appeal of MA over SP is that there is level of selection on the girl's part, in that she can choose who she does FS or GFE with since she can fall back on another skill, which is massage and the standard HJ. So if Joe Dirtbag walks in with warts on his balls and wants to snort some lines and eat pussy then inquires about bbbj, she can say Sorry Sir I only do massage and HJ. SP don't have that option, they're locked in a hotel room all day fucking and sucking and GFEing each and every dude who walks through the door with $160. The catch is that you must invest some money upfront to find MA with whom you click to get services you enjoy, because you'll find a lot of them don't provide those services.
 

ElCapitain

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I think one of Daisy's main points is that social factors affect how much pressure there is to exercise independent control over one's choices. And she's absolutely right about that; the SPs who see physicians for three hour dates and have money in the bank for lean times are able to exercise a lot more agency than SPs who aren't attracting that kind of clientele, or who only have a few low end hotel options left, and may have no alternative on the job market, little formal higher education, and a resume that has a lot of blanks. That SP who is now working out of a tent really demonstrates this.

The same thing is true of MPs, for example you can tell that there is a lot more pressure these days on the older AMPs than there used to be. Not everyone has the same set of choices. Daisy is right about that -- she may have expressed it in terms of physical beauty, but it's a larger issue to relates to a whole set of social factors.
 

itd131

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For some the appeal of MA over SP is that there is level of selection on the girl's part, in that she can choose who she does FS or GFE with since she can fall back on another skill, which is massage and the standard HJ. So if Joe Dirtbag walks in with warts on his balls and wants to snort some lines and eat pussy then inquires about bbbj, she can say Sorry Sir I only do massage and HJ. SP don't have that option, they're locked in a hotel room all day fucking and sucking and GFEing each and every dude who walks through the door with $160. The catch is that you must invest some money upfront to find MA with whom you click to get services you enjoy, because you'll find a lot of them don't provide those services.
I don't think this response is doing anyone any favours and it's probably giving a lot of people the wrong impression, on many levels.

Again, to the OP, based on your comments it sounds like you should stick to visiting SPs.
 

lovetooplease69

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Hey guys, thanks so much for the responses I now realize I was looking at it wrong. The end destination is the same (climax) but how you want to get there is the difference. It's like do you want to take your motorbike on a long winding twisty road or take your nice sedan on a slow sweet drive but either way end up at the same place. I think I will go back to an MA with a new attitude about enjoying the massage and getting that connection that some of you spoke about.
 
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itd131

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Hey guys, thanks so much for the responses I now realize I was looking at it wrong. The end destination is the same (climax) but how you want to get there is the difference. It's like do you want to take your motorbike on a long winding twisty road or take your nice sedan on a slow sweet drive but either way end up at the same place. I think I will go back to an MA with a new attitude about enjoying the massage and getting that connection that some of you spoke about.
I'm not sure the "end destination" as you put it, is always the same either. From what some ladies have told me, people see them for a lot of different reasons.
 

chairsbridges

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For a lot of guys with SO's, an MA might not be cheating to them whereas an SP might be too much action for them to justify. Guys seem to start with strippers and then either stop there or discover that putting some cash into a hobby isn't a bad thing to do afterall.
 

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For some the appeal of MA over SP is that there is level of selection on the girl's part, in that she can choose who she does FS or GFE with since she can fall back on another skill, which is massage and the standard HJ. So if Joe Dirtbag walks in with warts on his balls and wants to snort some lines and eat pussy then inquires about bbbj, she can say Sorry Sir I only do massage and HJ. SP don't have that option, they're locked in a hotel room all day fucking and sucking and GFEing each and every dude who walks through the door with $160. The catch is that you must invest some money upfront to find MA with whom you click to get services you enjoy, because you'll find a lot of them don't provide those services.
That is absolutely NOT true. Many SPs who are truly independent have MORE freedom to make those type of choices over MAs. Some SPs work from home and don't work all day, running a train "sucking and fucking". Many SPs, as I've found, have been moving towards safe play and setting restrictions that make them comfortable. My point is, an independent SP has the choice to do whatever and whoever she wants as she books her own clientele. MPs generally have someone book for them. You make all SPs sound desperate and obviously don't have a very high opinion of them. There are great independent SPs out there. As a rule, for myself, I tend to stay away from travelling ladies, but that's my experience.
 

Joe Blower

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Absolutely this (well apart from starting with strippers - haven't been to an SC in 30 years). If the MA spends any time at all on the massage, I can rationalize the whole hour as just therapy for sore muscles. And a HJ hardly seems like cheating. The fact that they're naked and half my age is a bit more of a stretch to rationalize :)
You paying a woman half your age to be naked, touch each other and give you a hj until release is not cheating? You being serious right now? Tell your SO you do this then come back and tell me how she feels about you doing it. ;)

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he said it "hardley seems like cheating"
 

hoffa68

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To get back to the point if the original question, I would much rather assume that we are talking about MA (brass and CMJ rules) vs SP. I absolutely love the MA experience when it comes to the intimacy and the showers together. However you do have to ask what they provide. Within MA rules. First and foremost I want lots of kissing. I've had MAs who said they kiss and hardly gave me a peck on the cheek.

But I do prefer a SP because I like sex and for some reason at my age I sometimes have a hard time keeping it up when getting a massage. Maybe everything is too oiley.
 

John Gilbunni

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diff experiences. Don't expect the same. I am leaning more towards MAs as anecdotally they've been more honest about what they offer. Also I am too lazy to have sex most days haha. Go see Kimora. She is just a great gal and lurvely. Really put me at ease.
 

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Thanks Raptor86. Great point you made there. Would you mind sharing some of your local gems?
My regular "gem" is Caterina out of Kingston. She works out of her own private condo, small clean and discreet location. We have formed a great connection and she uses escorting to supplement her income meaning she is a low volume SP. I call her regular rates her sex miles points program or loyalty points. Because she is very low volume she doesn't rush and seems to really enjoy talking and making sure you're comfortable with her first. Pictures are very accurate even though some are from a year prior and she is a safe play girl all around. So if bbbj is important to you she may not be for you. Easy to talk to very obviously intelligent and educated. This is my first public opinion of her but she has great reviews. On another review site she was terribly reviewed but the reviewer has since been outed and banned from that site as it was female competition posting. Before Cat I was seeing another Kingston SP who was decent but only for a one time or not often as she becomes attached and drama ensues. So if you want a good one off i can recommend her in a PM. I also have a great MILF reco in Kingston if you PM me.
http://kingston.backpage.ca/FemaleE...ials-available-incall-safe-play-only/81022348
 
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