trump just announced his intent to ban transgender from the military
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It isn't as though he came up this this all on his own in the face of vehement disagreement from the U.S. Armed Forces.
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The above is still true, but I understand the Military Establishment was blindsided by the Tweet.
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The above is still true, but I understand the Military Establishment was blindsided by the Tweet.
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Because the next step will be the military having to be responsible for gender reassignment surgery and all the drugs.
That is not a cost the military should have to pay.
That is not a cost the military should have to pay.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...r-troops-medical-care/?utm_term=.012b573c375d
On Twitter this morning, President Trump announced a ban on transgender people serving in the military, citing “medical costs” as the primary driver of the decision.
“Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail,” the president wrote.
While Trump didn't offer any numbers to support this claim, a Defense Department-commissioned study published last year by the Rand Corp. provides exhaustive estimates of transgender servicemembers' potential medical costs.
Considering the prevalence of transgender servicemembers among the active duty military and the typical health-care costs for gender-transition-related medical treatment, the Rand study estimated that these treatments would cost the military between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually.
The study didn't include estimates of these costs for reservists, because of their “highly limited military health care eligibility.” It also didn't include estimates for retirees or military family members, because many of those individuals may also have “limited eligibility” for care via military treatment facilities.
“The implication is that even in the most extreme scenario that we were able to identify … we expect only a 0.13-percent ($8.4 million out of $6.2 billion) increase in health care spending,” Rand's authors concluded.
By contrast, total military spending on erectile dysfunction medicines amounts to $84 million annually, according to an analysis by the Military Times — 10 times the cost of annual transition-related medical care for active duty transgender servicemembers.
The military spends $41.6 million annually on Viagra alone, according to the Military Times analysis — roughly five times the estimated spending on transition-related medical care for transgender troops.
Looked at another way, the upper estimate for annual transgender medical costs in the military amounts to less than a tenth of the price of a new F-35 fighter jet. Or a thousandth of 1 percent of the Defense Department's annual budget.
The cost of providing medical care to transgender service members, in other words, is negligible, and hardly “tremendous,” as the president put it.
POTUS lies again while sending out to dog whistle to Far Right supporters. TERB Trumpies believe what Trump says. Sad.
On Twitter this morning, President Trump announced a ban on transgender people serving in the military, citing “medical costs” as the primary driver of the decision.
“Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail,” the president wrote.
While Trump didn't offer any numbers to support this claim, a Defense Department-commissioned study published last year by the Rand Corp. provides exhaustive estimates of transgender servicemembers' potential medical costs.
Considering the prevalence of transgender servicemembers among the active duty military and the typical health-care costs for gender-transition-related medical treatment, the Rand study estimated that these treatments would cost the military between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually.
The study didn't include estimates of these costs for reservists, because of their “highly limited military health care eligibility.” It also didn't include estimates for retirees or military family members, because many of those individuals may also have “limited eligibility” for care via military treatment facilities.
“The implication is that even in the most extreme scenario that we were able to identify … we expect only a 0.13-percent ($8.4 million out of $6.2 billion) increase in health care spending,” Rand's authors concluded.
By contrast, total military spending on erectile dysfunction medicines amounts to $84 million annually, according to an analysis by the Military Times — 10 times the cost of annual transition-related medical care for active duty transgender servicemembers.
The military spends $41.6 million annually on Viagra alone, according to the Military Times analysis — roughly five times the estimated spending on transition-related medical care for transgender troops.
Looked at another way, the upper estimate for annual transgender medical costs in the military amounts to less than a tenth of the price of a new F-35 fighter jet. Or a thousandth of 1 percent of the Defense Department's annual budget.
The cost of providing medical care to transgender service members, in other words, is negligible, and hardly “tremendous,” as the president put it.
POTUS lies again while sending out to dog whistle to Far Right supporters. TERB Trumpies believe what Trump says. Sad.
There is no evidence that military preparedness and effectiveness would not be compromised by including TG people. There are approximately 4,000 TG people in the military now. Once again just pandering to his right wing base. Sad.
Kind of a disingenuous comparison, between trans-gender costs and erectile dysfunction costs, don't you think? What is the PER PERSON cost of each of those? I bet the former blowers the latter out of the water!
That said, I'm not sure why the military is paying for Viagra, either.
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Like you, I'm not sure why the military should pay for either set of costs. And you're correct, the comparison is facile. That said, $8.4million in additional health care costs sounds trifling given that the US military budget must be in the 100's of billion$$$$$$.
If Trump came out and said "I'm a regressive guy with a regressive political base and this is what I'm throwing my followers this week to keep them happy", then at least he would be telling it as it is. Saying it's for health cost reasons is yet another lie by the administration.
Really Oagre, as if Justin Trudeau and Barack Obama don't lie. Even if it is a white lie, just about every politician has told a lie or at least what opponents consider a lie at one point or the other.
He would have been better advised to have let it come from the Department of Defense, and most certainly not to have announced it on Twitter. But common sense when it comes to public announcements and the President are not close friends
Yah our military isn't a fucking social experiment! Take your mental disorder and go fuck yourselves. If you cant even figure out if you need a dick or a pussy, you won't be able to handle combat, without killing yourselves or our patriots.
If we're talking about mental disorder's, that would leave the US military down to around 10k
I think the greater question is how would basic training, whose job is to break down individuality for military discipline affect someone who is already struggling to figure out their individuality. A transgendered person is already struggling on numerous levels. Would adding the stress of military life with its transient living, certain ingrained attitudes of aggression( and these, despite some people's thinking, are a part of the military are should stay), communal existence and whatever other stress factors you can think of not be detrimental to someone transitioning.
I support assisting transgendered people, but this goes beyond nessessary accommodation. In the same category as a 100 lbs female won't make a good firefighter.
I just can't think of much worse then a person on hormone replacement therapy in that situation and fully armed, or expected to fight. And stating they wouldn't be expected to fight under those circumstances defeats the purpose. All members have to be ready to fight.
Btw all you keyboard commando's would tremble if you were face to face with this guy/girl
http://www.businessinsider.com/kristin-beck-trump-transgender-ban-2017-7
Kristin Beck, transgender Navy SEAL hero: 'Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy'
Kristen Beck Kristin Beck speaks at the FBI Criminal Justice Information Services Division in Clarksburg, West Virginia, in 2014. AP Photo/FBI
A retired Navy SEAL Team 6 hero who is transgender had a message for President Donald Trump after he announced the US military would bar transgender people from serving.
"Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy," Kristin Beck, a 20-year veteran of the Navy SEALs, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "Transgender doesn't matter. Do your service."
Beck said Trump's abrupt change in policy could negatively affect many currently or wanting to serve in the military. The RAND Corporation estimated in 2016 that there were between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender people serving. Many of them just want to serve their country like everyone else, Beck said.
"Being transgender doesn't affect anyone else," Beck said. "We are liberty's light. If you can't defend that for everyone that's an American citizen, that's not right."
Beck is not just your average service member. Born Christopher Beck, she served for 20 years in the Navy with SEAL Teams 1, 5, and, eventually, the elite 6. She deployed 13 times over two decades, including stints in Bosnia, Iraq, and Afghanistan. She received the Bronze Star award for valor and the Purple Heart for wounds suffered in combat.
"I was defending individual liberty," she said. "I defended for Republicans. I defended for Democrats. I defended for everyone."
In a series of tweets, Trump said the decision was based on the costs of medical services that transgender service members could use. But "the money is negligible," Beck said. "You're talking about .000001% of the military budget.
"They care more about the airplane or the tank than they care about people," Beck said. "They don't care about people. They don't care about human beings."
When asked about potential problems with unit cohesion or war fighting, Beck said those were not issues that would arise from transgender service members, but from leadership.
"A very professional unit with great leadership wouldn't have a problem," Beck said. "I can have a Muslim serving right beside Jerry Falwell, and we're not going to have a problem. It's a leadership issue, not a transgender issue
http://www.businessinsider.com/kristin-beck-trump-transgender-ban-2017-7
Kristin Beck, transgender Navy SEAL hero: 'Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy'
Kristen Beck Kristin Beck speaks at the FBI Criminal Justice Information Services Division in Clarksburg, West Virginia, in 2014. AP Photo/FBI
A retired Navy SEAL Team 6 hero who is transgender had a message for President Donald Trump after he announced the US military would bar transgender people from serving.
"Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy," Kristin Beck, a 20-year veteran of the Navy SEALs, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "Transgender doesn't matter. Do your service."
Beck said Trump's abrupt change in policy could negatively affect many currently or wanting to serve in the military. The RAND Corporation estimated in 2016 that there were between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender people serving. Many of them just want to serve their country like everyone else, Beck said.
"Being transgender doesn't affect anyone else," Beck said. "We are liberty's light. If you can't defend that for everyone that's an American citizen, that's not right."
Beck is not just your average service member. Born Christopher Beck, she served for 20 years in the Navy with SEAL Teams 1, 5, and, eventually, the elite 6. She deployed 13 times over two decades, including stints in Bosnia, Iraq, and Afghanistan. She received the Bronze Star award for valor and the Purple Heart for wounds suffered in combat.
"I was defending individual liberty," she said. "I defended for Republicans. I defended for Democrats. I defended for everyone."
In a series of tweets, Trump said the decision was based on the costs of medical services that transgender service members could use. But "the money is negligible," Beck said. "You're talking about .000001% of the military budget.
"They care more about the airplane or the tank than they care about people," Beck said. "They don't care about people. They don't care about human beings."
When asked about potential problems with unit cohesion or war fighting, Beck said those were not issues that would arise from transgender service members, but from leadership.
"A very professional unit with great leadership wouldn't have a problem," Beck said. "I can have a Muslim serving right beside Jerry Falwell, and we're not going to have a problem. It's a leadership issue, not a transgender issue
Of course pretty much every politician lie. Even you have to admit that The Donald has taken it to a farcical extreme.
Thousands seem to be okay with it already.
And for those pretending it is about health care costs, why shouldn't trans people be allowed to serve if they cover the costs on their own or through a health plan?
Fuck you, you pervert you sexual deviant. You are on the Toronto Escort Review Board every day, a dirty little secret hidden from your real life family and friends.
We should be the last people to judge the sexuality of others. And I can guarantee Trudeau will not be forcing trans out of the Canadian military. He, and we, are better than that.
To me the strangest part of this is that Trump unleashes new military policy in this manner.
Instead of using the media to explain the decision, or discussing in a press briefing or within government proceedings, Trump sends out a Twitter blast, forcing everyone to react in shock.
It's so dictatorial to proclaim a new edict out of the blue, seemingly for no good reason. Last week Trump launched a boat that cost $13 billion to build and will take hundreds of millions of dollars to operate every year.
But transgenders are too expensive? He is such a weirdo.
Either he's a lying sack of shit or in a few years everyone's going to be saying, "Of course he had dementia, it's so obvious looking back".Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
Thank you to the LGBT community! I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs.
1:31 PM - Jun 14, 2016
Or maybe both.
