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Yet another example of don't know much about history - USA Today

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Brian Truitt USA Today's movie critic is taking well deserved ridicule for having written in his otherwise positive review of Dunkirk "The trio of timelines can be jarring as you figure out how they all fit, and the fact that there are only a couple of women and no lead actors of color may rub some the wrong way.

The line has now been deleted from the online review.


http://www.dailywire.com/news/18799/usa-today-complains-about-lack-women-and-no-lead-john-nolte#

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4722408/Brian-Truitt-ridiculed-Dunkirk-diversity-review.html
 

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Brian Truitt USA Today's movie critic is taking well deserved ridicule for having written in his otherwise positive review of Dunkirk "The trio of timelines can be jarring as you figure out how they all fit, and the fact that there are only a couple of women and no lead actors of color may rub some the wrong way.

The line has now been deleted from the online review.


http://www.dailywire.com/news/18799/usa-today-complains-about-lack-women-and-no-lead-john-nolte#

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4722408/Brian-Truitt-ridiculed-Dunkirk-diversity-review.html
You're a bit late to the party. This has been an internet chuckle for about a week now.
 

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^ Sometimes that happens.
The other complaints are a "Hollywood" approach to plotting and scanty use of CGI / extras which fell short of showing the true mass chaos on the beach.
 

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The other complaints are a "Hollywood" approach to plotting and scanty use of CGI / extras which fell short of showing the true mass chaos on the beach.
Also hear that the family of the Beachmaster/Piermaster at Dunkirk are upset that the character played by Kenneth Branagh which is 99 percent based on him, was given a fictional name.
 

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Also hear that the family of the Beachmaster/Piermaster at Dunkirk are upset that the character played by Kenneth Branagh which is 99 percent based on him, was given a fictional name.
The movie I would love to see is a modern, full on high budget, big CGI version of The Dambusters. Hollywood had better not fuck that one up, if it ever gets made. Or I will come looking for them!
 

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The Dambusters should never be remade, the loss of life was horrific and it hardened German resolve to fight to the bitter end. If Hollywood remakes it, it would strain relations with Germany.

I just watched Dunkirk, I left the theater speechless. Nolan fictionalized the characters but he is true to the history. Both Captain William Tennant and RAF fighter ace Alan Deere were fictionalized. That probably upset some, in the case of Deere it's New Zealand. Mark Raylance's character is also fictionalized, I believe he received a citation for b**********y. I don't want to give away spoilers, I'll talk more about the characters after more people have seen the film.

As for the film overall: Nolan may finally have his Best Picture Oscar.

An important item about Christopher Nolan's influences. He is a disciple of Francis Ford Copolla, he makes films in the manner of the now vintner. Which explains why he loaned himself out to Al Pacino after Memento. Insomnia was Alfredo's project, he fired the original director and brought in Nolan. Insomnia is the only film that the Nolan bros did not write the screenplay for. It worked out well for Nolan, Alfredo and Robin Williams lobbied on his behalf to get him The Dark Knight franchise.

Italian men don't drink tea - that's respect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21IRI6ZhLmI
 

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The Dambusters should never be remade, the loss of life was horrific and it hardened German resolve to fight to the bitter end. If Hollywood remakes it, it would strain relations with Germany.

I just watched Dunkirk, I left the theater speechless. Nolan fictionalized the characters but he is true to the history. Both Captain William Tennant and RAF fighter ace Alan Deere were fictionalized. That probably upset some, in the case of Deere it's New Zealand. Mark Raylance's character is also fictionalized, I believe he received a citation for b**********y. I don't want to give away spoilers, I'll talk more about the characters after more people have seen the film.

As for the film overall: Nolan may finally have his Best Picture Oscar.

An important item about Christopher Nolan's influences. He is a disciple of Francis Ford Copolla, he makes films in the manner of the now vintner. Which explains why he loaned himself out to Al Pacino after Memento. Insomnia was Alfredo's project, he fired the original director and brought in Nolan. Insomnia is the only film that the Nolan bros did not write the screenplay for. It worked out well for Nolan, Alfredo and Robin Williams lobbied on his behalf to get him The Dark Knight franchise.

Italian men don't drink tea - that's respect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21IRI6ZhLmI
Not that I've heard. So I'd like to see your sources.

OTOH, the Allied bombing offensive as a whole might put German backs up. But again, I'd like to see your sources. Especially as Tom Hanks is making a TV docu drama series about B-17 raids on Germany.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhmFFtjB2qY
 

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My main source is William Manchester's The Arms of Krupp for it's German perspective.

The dam busting didn't achieve the objective of knocking out the Ruhr but the loss of life was high. Goebbels used the raids to label all the Allies as barbarians to be resisted at all cost. The raid had unintended benefits for the Allies. The flooding caused the deaths of a large number of slave labourers, as such Jews that would have been exterminated were sent to work in the Ruhr instead. Also Hitler was not able to complete the defenses along the coast of Normandy. Manchester devotes an entire chapter of the book to two Jewish women who escaped from an armoury plant in Rheinhausen. That chapter is the focal point of the book and their account is heart rending.

Most of what is written today plays down the effects that the raids had on the Germans. For example:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22510300
 

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My main source is William Manchester's The Arms of Krupp for it's German perspective.

The dam busting didn't achieve the objective of knocking out the Ruhr but the loss of life was high. Goebbels used the raids to label all the Allies as barbarians to be resisted at all cost. The raid had unintended benefits for the Allies. The flooding caused the deaths of a large number of slave labourers, as such Jews that would have been exterminated were sent to work in the Ruhr instead. Also Hitler was not able to complete the defenses along the coast of Normandy. Manchester devotes an entire chapter of the book to two Jewish women who escaped from an armoury plant in Rheinhausen. That chapter is the focal point of the book and their account is heart rending.

Most of what is written today plays down the effects that the raids had on the Germans. For example:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22510300
I don't think the more in depth works on the raid play down the effect. Indeed they clinically investigate and report every aspect of the raid in great detail. There is no doubt that the "fallout" from the raid was a lot higher than expected because the British simply didn't know that the slave labour camps were located in the vicinity.

And Goebbels used the entire Allied bombing offensive to vilify the Allies, concealing the fact that terror bombing was a German invention and that the German attempted to do exactly the same thing to London that the RAF and USAAF did far more effectively to German cities a few years later.

I don't see any proof there that the Dambusters Raid is especially emotive for the Germans or controversial. Compared to other RAF raids, it's civilian casualty toll was very small. Now if Hollywood made a war movie glorifying Dresden or the Hamburg Firestorm raids, I could see your point.
 

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Not that I've heard. So I'd like to see your sources.

OTOH, the Allied bombing offensive as a whole might put German backs up. But again, I'd like to see your sources. Especially as Tom Hanks is making a TV docu drama series about B-17 raids on Germany.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhmFFtjB2qY
It may be simplistic but Hitler started it.

Those on the ground typically saw those in the air forces as having it easy, but as the clip shows it was far from easy for the men of Bomber Command and the 8th Air Force.


As an aside, the original Memphis Belle movie was made to "prove" to aircrew that it was in fact possible to survive 25 missions and be rotated to a tour in support functions.
 
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Insidious Von

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Agreed Aardie.

Neville Chamberlain should have paid attention to what the Luftwaffe did to Guernica before declaring peace in our time.

The aerial battles fought during the Dunkirk evacuation were fought over a wide area, as far north west as Ostend in Belgium. And most of them were fought away from the evacuating soldiers. The downed pilots who were picked up by the flotilla were treated with disdain by the soldiers.

Joe Wright has made a name for himself by adapting Jane Austen's novels to the screen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pNOCzV5jG0
 

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I was asked why did The Mummy fail so badly? It's very simple, Tom Cruise has never supported a female lead in his entire career. It should have been Sofia Boutella's film but she was sabotaged at every turn. A great example of this is Tom Hardy supporting Charlize Theron in Mad Max: Fury Road - even though they fought like two cats in a bag.

But I digress here's Superheteroman Tom Cruise's POV of the military life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpg1J7yU05A
 
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