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More from Bloomberg:


The U.S. special counsel investigating possible ties between the Donald Trump campaign and Russia in last year’s election is examining a broad range of transactions involving Trump’s businesses as well as those of his associates, according to a person familiar with the probe.
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FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008, the person said.
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Agents are also interested in dealings with the Bank of Cyprus, where Wilbur Ross served as vice chairman before he became commerce secretary, as well as the efforts of Jared Kushner, the President’s son-in-law and White House aide, to secure financing for some of his family’s real estate properties. The information was provided by someone familiar with the developing inquiry but not authorized to speak publicly.
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The roots of Mueller’s follow-the-money investigation lie in a wide-ranging money laundering probe launched by then-Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara last year, according to the person.
 

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I have no idea whether this line of inquiry will turn anything or not but the insistence of Trumpsters in denying any wrongdoing in the absence of a cheque directly from Putin or the KGB is absurd. Everyone knows that Putin and the KGB work through the oligarchs who owe their fortunes and probably freedom to Putin. The easiest way for the Russians to give money to Trump is to but a unit in one of his buildings etc. That is not to say that all such purchase would be so motivated but it is certainly something to look at.
 

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Trump has stated that he will terminate the special counsel investigation if it delves into the Trump family's financial dealings 'unrelated' to the Russia investigation.
 

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I have no idea whether this line of inquiry will turn anything or not but the insistence of Trumpsters in denying any wrongdoing in the absence of a cheque directly from Putin or the KGB is absurd. Everyone knows that Putin and the KGB work through the oligarchs who owe their fortunes and probably freedom to Putin. The easiest way for the Russians to give money to Trump is to but a unit in one of his buildings etc. That is not to say that all such purchase would be so motivated but it is certainly something to look at.
Trump properties have been used for money laundering by Russians for a long time.
Trump will deny he's done anything wrong. 'Listen, people wanted to give me money and I took it. That's not a crime, it's great american business.'
 

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I know I've said it before and I was wrong, but this time its a little different. With the discussion of the potential of firing Mueller, the resignation of the Presidents legal team spokesman Mark Corallo, and the expected resignation of Jeff Sessions that didn't happen...it feels like something big is about to happen. If trump fires Mueller, what would be the fall out? If Congress moves to impeach I think there will be a lot of civil unrest from the right. But if he fires him and they don't move to impeach, I think the civil unrest from the left would be a exponentially more violent..


Also Jared Kushner's ex Observer is going after Fucker Carlson for getting 150k from the freakshow campaign. And Fucker Carlson went after trump tonight. DDDDD-Lish!

http://observer.com/2017/06/trump-tucker-carlson-daily-caller/
 

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I have no idea whether this line of inquiry will turn anything or not but the insistence of Trumpsters in denying any wrongdoing in the absence of a cheque directly from Putin or the KGB is absurd. Everyone knows that Putin and the KGB work through the oligarchs who owe their fortunes and probably freedom to Putin. The easiest way for the Russians to give money to Trump is to but a unit in one of his buildings etc. That is not to say that all such purchase would be so motivated but it is certainly something to look at.
LOL!!! Yeah, in the New York's real estate market Trump needed Russians to buy his properties. Face palm.
 

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Wow, I hope they don't have a special counsel like this in Russia - because if so (under the Bloomberg - Danmand theory) my ex-wife is in deep, deep trouble. :(
 

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Wow, I hope they don't have a special counsel like this in Russia - because if so (under the Bloomberg - Danmand theory) my ex-wife is in deep, deep trouble. :(
Are you trying to downplay the importance of Trump's wealth being based on shady deals with Russian criminals?

I was going to call them the "Russian underworld" but they're actually the State, Putin and his oligarch mafiosos.
 

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What I think in large measure you are arguing Fuji is that anyone who is the principle in a closely held corporation or company with extensive foreign contacts, or just plain an entrepreneur with the same, should not be allowed to run for President.

The President is not personally my cup of tea for many reasons, but he did appeal to enough of the electorate that he is President in large measure because he was not the standard candidate for President.

I also believe you are attempting to argue that in some way Russia is an enemy of the United States in a way that the Peoples Republic of China, or Iran are not. That seems to me pure prejudice rather than a reasoned analysis of the facts.
 

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Given the Russian property ownership in London the Queen should be under investigation.


What % of Russian property ownership in NYC is of Trump properties?

What % of Trump properties are own by Russians.
 

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Given the Russian property ownership in London the Queen should be under investigation.
The old bag should be fired, together with her idiot husband.
 

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Please read.

Trump’s Russian Laundromat
How to use Trump Tower and other luxury high-rises to clean dirty money, run an international crime syndicate, and propel a failed real estate developer into the White House.


In 1984, a Russian émigré named David Bogatin went shopping for apartments in New York City. The 38-year-old had arrived in America seven years before, with just $3 in his pocket. But for a former pilot in the Soviet Army—his specialty had been shooting down Americans over North Vietnam—he had clearly done quite well for himself. Bogatin wasn’t hunting for a place in Brighton Beach, the Brooklyn enclave known as “Little Odessa” for its large population of immigrants from the Soviet Union. Instead, he was fixated on the glitziest apartment building on Fifth Avenue, a gaudy, 58-story edifice with gold-plated fixtures and a pink-marble atrium: Trump Tower.

A monument to celebrity and conspicuous consumption, the tower was home to the likes of Johnny Carson, Steven Spielberg, and Sophia Loren. Its brash, 38-year-old developer was something of a tabloid celebrity himself. Donald Trump was just coming into his own as a serious player in Manhattan real estate, and Trump Tower was the crown jewel of his growing empire. From the day it opened, the building was a hit—all but a few dozen of its 263 units had sold in the first few months. But Bogatin wasn’t deterred by the limited availability or the sky-high prices. The Russian plunked down $6 million to buy not one or two, but five luxury condos. The big check apparently caught the attention of the owner. According to Wayne Barrett, who investigated the deal for the Village Voice, Trump personally attended the closing, along with Bogatin.

If the transaction seemed suspicious—multiple apartments for a single buyer who appeared to have no legitimate way to put his hands on that much money—there may have been a reason. At the time, Russian mobsters were beginning to invest in high-end real estate, which offered an ideal vehicle to launder money from their criminal enterprises. “During the ’80s and ’90s, we in the U.S. government repeatedly saw a pattern by which criminals would use condos and high-rises to launder money,” says Jonathan Winer, a deputy assistant secretary of state for international law enforcement in the Clinton administration. “It didn’t matter that you paid too much, because the real estate values would rise, and it was a way of turning dirty money into clean money. It was done very systematically, and it explained why there are so many high-rises where the units were sold but no one is living in them.” When Trump Tower was built, as David Cay Johnston reports in The Making of Donald Trump, it was only the second high-rise in New York that accepted anonymous buyers.

In 1987, just three years after he attended the closing with Trump, Bogatin pleaded guilty to taking part in a massive gasoline-bootlegging scheme with Russian mobsters. After he fled the country, the government seized his five condos at Trump Tower, saying that he had purchased them to “launder money, to shelter and hide assets.” A Senate investigation into organized crime later revealed that Bogatin was a leading figure in the Russian mob in New York. His family ties, in fact, led straight to the top: His brother ran a $150 million stock scam with none other than Semion Mogilevich, whom the FBI considers the “boss of bosses” of the Russian mafia. At the time, Mogilevich—feared even by his fellow gangsters as “the most powerful mobster in the world”—was expanding his multibillion-dollar international criminal syndicate into America.

Since Trump’s election as president, his ties to Russia have become the focus of intense scrutiny, most of which has centered on whether his inner circle colluded with Russia to subvert the U.S. election. A growing chorus in Congress is also asking pointed questions about how the president built his business empire. Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, has called for a deeper inquiry into “Russian investment in Trump’s businesses and properties.”

The very nature of Trump’s businesses—all of which are privately held, with few reporting requirements—makes it difficult to root out the truth about his financial deals. And the world of Russian oligarchs and organized crime, by design, is shadowy and labyrinthine. For the past three decades, state and federal investigators, as well as some of America’s best investigative journalists, have sifted through mountains of real estate records, tax filings, civil lawsuits, criminal cases, and FBI and Interpol reports, unearthing ties between Trump and Russian mobsters like Mogilevich. To date, no one has documented that Trump was even aware of any suspicious entanglements in his far-flung businesses, let alone that he was directly compromised by the Russian mafia or the corrupt oligarchs who are closely allied with the Kremlin. So far, when it comes to Trump’s ties to Russia, there is no smoking gun.

But even without an investigation by Congress or a special prosecutor, there is much we already know about the president’s debt to Russia. A review of the public record reveals a clear and disturbing pattern: Trump owes much of his business success, and by extension his presidency, to a flow of highly suspicious money from Russia. Over the past three decades, at least 13 people with known or alleged links to Russian mobsters or oligarchs have owned, lived in, and even run criminal activities out of Trump Tower and other Trump properties. Many used his apartments and casinos to launder untold millions in dirty money. Some ran a worldwide high-stakes gambling ring out of Trump Tower—in a unit directly below one owned by Trump. Others provided Trump with lucrative branding deals that required no investment on his part. Taken together, the flow of money from Russia provided Trump with a crucial infusion of financing that helped rescue his empire from ruin, burnish his image, and launch his career in television and politics. “They saved his bacon,” says Kenneth McCallion, a former assistant U.S. attorney in the Reagan administration who investigated ties between organized crime and Trump’s developments in the 1980s.

It’s entirely possible that Trump was never more than a convenient patsy for Russian oligarchs and mobsters, with his casinos and condos providing easy pass-throughs for their illicit riches. At the very least, with his constant need for new infusions of cash and his well-documented troubles with creditors, Trump made an easy “mark” for anyone looking to launder money. But whatever his knowledge about the source of his wealth, the public record makes clear that Trump built his business empire in no small part with a lot of dirty money from a lot of dirty Russians—including the dirtiest and most feared of them all.

Trump made his first trip to Russia in 1987, only a few years before the collapse of the Soviet Union. Invited by Soviet Ambassador Yuri Dubinin, Trump was flown to Moscow and Leningrad—all expenses paid—to talk business with high-ups in the Soviet command. In The Art of the Deal, Trump recounted the lunch meeting with Dubinin that led to the trip. “One thing led to another,” he wrote, “and now I’m talking about building a large luxury hotel, across the street from the Kremlin, in partnership with the Soviet government.”

Over the years, Trump and his sons would try and fail five times to build a new Trump Tower in Moscow. But for Trump, what mattered most were the lucrative connections he had begun to make with the Kremlin—and with the wealthy Russians who would buy so many of his properties in the years to come. “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets,” Donald Trump Jr. boasted at a real estate conference in 2008. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

The money, illicit and otherwise, began to rain in earnest after the Soviet Union fell in 1991. President Boris Yeltsin’s shift to a market economy was so abrupt that cash-rich gangsters and corrupt government officials were able to privatize and loot state-held assets in oil, coal, minerals, and banking. Yeltsin himself, in fact, would later describe Russia as “the biggest mafia state in the world.” After Vladimir Putin succeeded Yeltsin as president, Russian intelligence effectively joined forces with the country’s mobsters and oligarchs, allowing them to operate freely as long as they strengthen Putin’s power and serve his personal financial interests. According to James Henry, a former chief economist at McKinsey & Company who consulted on the Panama Papers, some $1.3 trillion in illicit capital has poured out of Russia since the 1990s.

At the top of the sprawling criminal enterprise was Semion Mogilevich. Beginning in the early 1980s, according to the FBI, the short, squat Ukrainian was the key money-laundering contact for the Solntsevskaya Bratva, or Brotherhood, one of the richest criminal syndicates in the world. Before long, he was running a multibillion-dollar worldwide racket of his own. Mogilevich wasn’t feared because he was the most violent gangster, but because he was reputedly the smartest. The FBI has credited the “brainy don,” who holds a degree in economics from Lviv University, with a staggering range of crimes. He ran drug trafficking and prostitution rings on an international scale; in one characteristic deal, he bought a bankrupt airline to ship heroin from Southeast Asia into Europe. He used a jewelry business in Moscow and Budapest as a front for art that Russian gangsters stole from museums, churches, and synagogues all over Europe. He has also been accused of selling some $20 million in stolen weapons, including ground-to-air missiles and armored troop carriers, to Iran. “He uses this wealth and power to not only further his criminal enterprises,” the FBI says, “but to influence governments and their economies.”

In Russia, Mogilevich’s influence reportedly reaches all the way to the top. In 2005, Alexander Litvinenko, a Russian intelligence agent who defected to London, recorded an interview with investigators detailing his inside knowledge of the Kremlin’s ties to organized crime. “Mogilevich,” he said in broken English, “have good relationship with Putin since 1994 or 1993.” A year later Litvinenko was dead, apparently poisoned by agents of the Kremlin.
The entire article is too long to post in full and contains a lot of relevant information.
 

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Please read.


The entire article is too long to post in full and contains a lot of relevant information.
Especially the one part you forgot to highlight that there is no evidence against Trump showing any collusion or knowledge of money laundering on his part despite numerous investigations.

Which is the usual throwaway line buried in the middle of hatchet pieces. Just to prevent a libel suit. After all its only speculation and certainly not based in evidence right?
 

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Especially the one part you forgot to highlight that there is no evidence against Trump showing any collusion or knowledge of money laundering on his part despite numerous investigations.

Which is the usual throwaway line buried in the middle of hatchet pieces. Just to prevent a libel suit. After all its only speculation and certainly not based in evidence right?
Wait, you claimed they're all corrupt, now you are saying there's no evidence of corruption?! :playball:

Actually there is a RICO indictment against Trump.
https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/29/donald-trump-sealed-indictment-started-with-eric-schneiderman/

Corrupt Trump will get rid of Mueller. And maybe Sessions & Rosenstein too.

ps remember when 2 Toronto Star reporters said they'd seen video of Rob Ford smoking crack and you didn't believe that and it wasn't evidence because you had not personally witnessed it and you kept sticking up for the drug user even though all the evidence pointed to him being a drug user.
Consider the possibility that you are wrong again.
 

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Wait, you claimed they're all corrupt, now you are saying there's no evidence of corruption?! :playball:

Actually there is a RICO indictment against Trump.
https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/29/donald-trump-sealed-indictment-started-with-eric-schneiderman/

Corrupt Trump will get rid of Mueller. And maybe Sessions & Rosenstein too.

ps remember when 2 Toronto Star reporters said they'd seen video of Rob Ford smoking crack and you didn't believe that and it wasn't evidence because you had not personally witnessed it and you kept sticking up for the drug user even though all the evidence pointed to him being a drug user.
Consider the possibility that you are wrong again.
No. I've said the establishment GoP and Dems are corrupt. Especially at the leadership level. Trump isn't a Republican really. Anymore than Bernier was a Democrat.

Let me know if this application goes anywhere. So far it means nothing.
 

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Wait, you claimed they're all corrupt, now you are saying there's no evidence of corruption?! :playball:

Actually there is a RICO indictment against Trump.
https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/29/donald-trump-sealed-indictment-started-with-eric-schneiderman/

Corrupt Trump will get rid of Mueller. And maybe Sessions & Rosenstein too.

ps remember when 2 Toronto Star reporters said they'd seen video of Rob Ford smoking crack and you didn't believe that and it wasn't evidence because you had not personally witnessed it and you kept sticking up for the drug user even though all the evidence pointed to him being a drug user.
Consider the possibility that you are wrong again.
As to Ford the same applies here. Evidence before I believe it. Nothing wrong with that.

And remember everyone said Ford would be charged and not finish out his term. They were wrong.
 

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As to Ford the same applies here. Evidence before I believe it. Nothing wrong with that.

And remember everyone said Ford would be charged and not finish out his term. They were wrong.
No I don't remember everyone saying that. I do remember City Council looking for ways to get Ford out, and not finding any.
I also remember you not believing journalists even though they turned out to be correct.
 

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No. I've said the establishment GoP and Dems are corrupt. Especially at the leadership level. Trump isn't a Republican really. Anymore than Bernier was a Democrat.
So Trump has out-corrupted the establishment GOP and Dems, he fooled Republican congressmen, senators and voters - and therefore you should have less, not more trust in him.
 
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