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nothingtolose

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Looks like at most clubs, it is $20 for a song - lap dance in a CR room. So how long is a song, 5 mins or 10 mins?

In a CR room, does the girl normally get naked or not? Can you DFK her, suck her tits or finger her?

Basically what are the norms in the CR room?
 

Nesbot

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Most of what you ask is unavailable. The costs are also very high with a dancer in a CR. most songs run far shorter than 5 minutes. Most cut it off after 3?
 

HUGS_KISSES

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What you are asking (fingering for example) should be expected from sex workers (some escorts or maybe even some masseuses) not dancers most being entertainers only not sex workers. If you want pizza you don't go to a Chinese restaurant and expect or order pizza, just saying. Contact/touching above the belly and light kissing (not DFK) and hugging are usually on the table by most dancers. As it was said it is all YMMV.

Private dances used to be short about 3 minutes long a few years ago especially at Pigale, however, I have noticed they are longer these days especially during the quiet times maybe because it has become harder for dancers to get private dance requests because of much smaller number of patrons likely because of the ease of availability of alternatives so I think most bars have increased the time (my personal observation). I think nowadays it is as much as 4 to even 5 minutes in most bars. Most dancers would retain underwear for the first song and provide nude private dance in the second song and few will retain it even well into third song and even after. It is a personal choice for a dancer.

With the price of one escort (for the average priced and usual hour) you get to be potentially with and enjoy the company of up to 10+ different ladies (if you take each for one song for example) or several different ladies at least (plus hours of stage entertainments and free chatting with limitless ladies if they like you enough to sit with you), so if you like the variety and relative safety then strip bars and dancers are for you but if you are seeking sex or sexual activities then strip bars and most of dancers are not for you.
 

TheRiddlerMan

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Watch out for the dancers who will start up near the end of a song and try to get paid for doing 10 seconds of dancing. Someone worth seeing will wait with you until the next song starts before starting her routine.
 
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Watch out for the dancers who will start up near the end of a song and try to get paid for doing 10 seconds of dancing. Someone worth seeing will wait with you until the next song starts before starting her routine.
Good point! Also watch for 'Dancer math' on the song counts.
 

r__d_ott

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Looks like at most clubs, it is $20 for a song - lap dance in a CR room. So how long is a song, 5 mins or 10 mins?
10 minutes? Well, that is wonderfully optimistic indeed! At that rate, we'd have 1/2 hrs. for sixty and full hours for one twenty. A nice thought.
 

HUGS_KISSES

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Not sure if I have mentioned this before on this board but Pigale apparently has brought back the non-contact $10 table dance. I have seen a few time dancers are dancing at corner tables on the sides. So it is half the usual price but as always there is a catch to it (no contact).
 

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medalllione

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10 minutes? Well, that is wonderfully optimistic indeed! At that rate, we'd have 1/2 hrs. for sixty and full hours for one twenty. A nice thought.
Something to keep in mind, if you really dig a dancer, you can go for a 1 hour flat time. In Pigale for example, its $300 minimum. That way there is no squabble about bad math. The is nothing more annoying than a dancer adding one or two extra songs if nobody is counting verbally.
 

HUGS_KISSES

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At Pigales recently, in the evenings someone (I was told it is the manager) sits outside the champagne rooms behind a table (No one is there in the daytime) and takes note of the time in the Champagne room for each dancer in case there is a dispute. I was told this action was taken because some dancers were not good with maths at Pigales. At barbs there are cameras I was told in order to settle disputes between patrons and dancers (not sure if they even work). However, in both places the patron has to challenge the dancer in order for the dispute to be taken up to the management for settlement. In my case I have been cheated quite a few times mainly at Barbarellas in the past (mostly starting at the end of the song and charging full song as mentioned in the thread but also cases when 2 songs claimed as 3 or 3 songs were claimed as 4 and in one unforgettable case, 2 songs were claimed as 5 even). In all cases I paid what I was asked without challenging it (though I am sure I didn't have a very happy face when I made payment). I don't like disputes and arguments.
 

r__d_ott

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Something to keep in mind, if you really dig a dancer, you can go for a 1 hour flat time. In Pigale for example, its $300 minimum. That way there is no squabble about bad math. The is nothing more annoying than a dancer adding one or two extra songs if nobody is counting verbally.
Agree this is by far the best approach and one I took with an ATF in the past. It always worked out well.
 

Gntlmn

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What you are asking (fingering for example) should be expected from sex workers (some escorts or maybe even some masseuses) not dancers most being entertainers only not sex workers. If you want pizza you don't go to a Chinese restaurant and expect or order pizza, just saying. Contact/touching above the belly and light kissing (not DFK) and hugging are usually on the table by most dancers. As it was said it is all YMMV.
HK doesn't want to acknowledge it but strippers are sex workers, too (my experience many times over, anyway). What they allow (no specifics mentioned here) is up to them. Seeking a balance in expectations/mileage is fun.
 

HUGS_KISSES

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Gntlmn, what you are saying may be true for some (I have no statistics on percentage but in my view a minority) and I agree with the statement but what I don't agree is the generalization that your statement appears to be making referring to strippers (I prefer to call them dancers or nude dancers rather) in general leaves the impression that ALL of them are engaged in sex or sexual activities. There are many who are strictly dancers especially those at Barbarellas, Barefax and even Pigales. They are simply what a nude dancer is supposed to be that is an entertainer. As an example I would guess a very tiny minority of dancers may allow fingering as per question asked by OP. I do NOT consider hugging and kissing (kiss on face and above belly) or contact dance (again above the belly) as sex or sexual activities.

The reason I am so sensitive to this subject and wish to clarify it again and again and would adhere to what I see as factual (dancers are entertainers not sex workers) is because the generalization statement in my view could be misleading and may lead some patrons (or especially those who start strip bars for first time) initiating unwanted advances or demanding sexual services based on what they read here from those entertainer dancers who in my view are a majority (or whatever the percentage may be) when they frequent strip bars and this may result in unfortunate circumstances for both sides, dancers in particular.

I know of a real case scenario about 7-8 years ago when a dancer (while dancing having her back to the stupid customer in the CR) was fingered suddenly and she slapped the idiot customer in the face who likely thought it was a norm with strippers but the poor dancer had nightmares and psychological issues for months to come and eventually quit the dancing job. I knew her for a year and she was a sweetheart. I am sure this is not an isolated incident and I do not wish to encourage such scenarios and since I know you for years and I know as a fact you don't want that either Gntlmn.
 

TheRiddlerMan

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Even if we stick to the idea that most strippers don't do extras, kissing a woman's breasts, dry humping, etc are sexual acts. It's not the same as FS, true, but neither is what you get out of most spas. Strippers, massage attendants and service providers are all doing sex work.
 

HUGS_KISSES

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There are some who do not allow kissing on nipples. My point, it is to dancer's discretion. If they allow it then they won't be hurt in any way physically or worse psychologically. But what I fear misrepresentation may do is when some patrons may be misled and initiate totally unwanted acts clearly defined as sexual activities not in gray zone anymore and without dancer's consent as they may feel it is a norm for all so called strippers to provide those examples are fingering (which was specifically asked in this thread so I wanted to clarify that it is a NO for most dancers), kitty touching, Oral,......... rather than simple kissing which is my least concern.

A current barbarellas dancer told me that at Pigales she was virtually raped by an idiot drunk (I don't know the details as I didn't ask I would have been hurt to know what happened) and when she screamed he told her that he thought she was a hooker!!!! . This is the kind of attitude I wish not to encourage or spread. Btw, Pigale management apparently (based n what I was told) did not act in a fair manner. The dancer was the one who was fired as she pushed the drunken idiot out of the bar in public.
 

r__d_ott

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Gntlmn, what you are saying may be true for some (I have no statistics on percentage but in my view a minority) and I agree with the statement but what I don't agree is the generalization that your statement appears to be making referring to strippers (I prefer to call them dancers or nude dancers rather) in general leaves the impression that ALL of them are engaged in sex or sexual activities. There are many who are strictly dancers especially those at Barbarellas, Barefax and even Pigales. They are simply what a nude dancer is supposed to be that is an entertainer. As an example I would guess a very tiny minority of dancers may allow fingering as per question asked by OP. I do NOT consider hugging and kissing (kiss on face and above belly) or contact dance (again above the belly) as sex or sexual activities.

The reason I am sensitive to this subject and wish to clarify it again and again and would adhere to what I see as factual (dancers are entertainers not sex workers) is because the generalization statement in my view could be misleading and may lead some patrons (or especially those who start strip bars for first time) initiating unwanted advances or demanding sexual services based on what they read here from those entertainer dancers who in my view are a majority (or whatever the percentage may be) when they frequent strip bars and this may result in unfortunate circumstances for both sides, dancers in particular.

I know of a real case scenario about 7-8 years ago when a dancer (while dancing having her back to the stupid customer in the CR) was fingered suddenly and she slapped the idiot customer in the face who likely thought it was a norm but the poor dancer had nightmares and psychological issues for months to come and eventually quit the dancing job. I knew her for a year and she was a sweetheart. I am sure this is not an isolated incident and I do not wish to encourage such scenarios and since I know you for years and I know as a fact you don't want that either Gntlmn.
Strongly agree that unwarranted and unrealistic (in the case of many, but not all, dancers) expectations certainly can lead to very unfortunate and unhappy outcomes. However, having said that, a significant benefit of fairly frank and honest discussion boards such as this one (and perhaps even more open discussion via PM between/among SC enthusiasts) is the ability for clubgoers to have a bit of a sense of the approach that some dancers may take to these matters.

My own approach at most clubs has been to let the dancer "take the lead", so to speak, in terms of mid-to-slightly higher mileage encounters and this has always worked well for me, especially with a long-time ATF. As dancer and clubgoer become more familiar with each other, the comfort level increases for each of them i.e. both dancer and 'client' know both what to expect and what the limits are.

At a venue with a more liberal reputation, I've always asked the dancer what her limits are and I've found that this rarely causes consternation on the part of the dancer. When I was a less experienced clubgoer, I could often be a bit hesitant/shy to ask very straightforwardly about these things, but when in doubt I really think that the respectful thing to do is to ask the lady what is acceptable. Some may respond that "asking" can be seen as a form of (very) mild coercion - in the sense that a dancer having a slow day may feel that she wants to accede to a client's requests (not demands) by providing what she might not if she were having a busy day. It's difficult to decide about this aspect, but I will continue to attempt to be respectful of a dancer's limits and, in any case, I'm only really comfortable if I feel the dancer is too. Again, some will suggest that dancers can provide an Academy-Award-winning performance in these circumstances, but there comes a point where it really is up to the dancer to set the boundaries within which she operates and to be firm about her expectations of her clients' behaviour.
 

HUGS_KISSES

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Strongly agree that unwarranted and unrealistic (in the case of many, but not all, dancers) certainly can lead to very unfortunate and unhappy outcomes. However, having said that, a significant benefit of fairly frank and honest discussion boards such as this one (and perhaps even more open discussion via PM between/among SC enthusiasts) is the ability for clubgoers to have a bit of a sense of the approach that some dancers may take to these matters.
I agree completely when the comment is specific (however I believe more specific comments which carry names and services should be made via PM only which is also in compliance with the sticker in the forum by the Terb admin). What I do have serious problem is a generalization that strippers are sex workers giving the false impression that strippers are all hookers (I am sure Gntlmn did not mean that)!!!!!!! as per my example in my post.There are many who are not but may be expected to be or become one if they have to stay in profession, or may lead to unfortunate circumstances I gave two examples of, in my posts. That is why I am advocating that MANY DANCERS ARE ENTERTAINERS ONLY.

Great (a gentleman's way) approach. I totally agree with the rest not quoted.
 

Gntlmn

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"Strippers are sex workers" is a stand-alone factual statement. Anyone extrapolating further meaning from that isn't my responsibility.
 

HUGS_KISSES

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It is not factual. There is a clear distinction. There are sex workers who may also work in other professions like barbers or models or singers or dancers or actresses or travel agents or secretaries or dating services as some examples, this doesn't make all those who engage in those professions as sex workers.
 

pagypie81

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It is not factual. There is a clear distinction. There are sex workers who may also work in other professions like barbers or models or singers or dancers or actresses or travel agents or secretaries or dating services as some examples, this doesn't make all those who engage in those professions as sex workers.
you're not making any sense

whenever you disagree with someone you go into this defensive incoherent babble mode

some regard exotic dancers as sex workers. others don't. move on and get over it.

regardless, the services they perform are completely up to the individual and if people jump to conclusions and assumptions there is nothing you or i can do about it. a site like this, a thread like this, lets people ask questions to clear it up. so instead of your usual argumentative bs, just answer questions and move on.
 
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