Democratic senator Chris Murphy - Real folks don't care about the Russia probe

,..."witch hunt.",...how apropos ,...

But I don't think she will ever give up.

Whether or not peiole are interested is really quite beside the point. Russian meddling is an assault on American democracy. That is simply a fact. Notwithstanding that Trump sees it as impugning the legitimacy of his presidency which pretty much no one else does is really only a symptom of his narcissism.

toguy5252 said:

Whether or not peiole are interested is really quite beside the point. Russian meddling is an assault on American democracy. That is simply a fact. Notwithstanding that Trump sees it as impugning the legitimacy of his presidency which pretty much no one else does is really only a symptom of his narcissism.

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Actually it's a symptom of what's wrong with Washington. Because the Dems do want to use this as some sort of weapon. Hence taking so long.

The old school GoP would do the same if Hillary was in.

And that's what's wrong. The leadership of both aren't concerned with the truth. Just what truth they can spin for gain.

It does a good thing of distracting from all of Trump's other messes such as health care and the environment that people are actually concerned about.

Butler1000 said:

Actually it's a symptom of what's wrong with Washington. Because the Dems do want to use this as some sort of weapon. Hence taking so long.

The old school GoP would do the same if Hillary was in.

And that's what's wrong. The leadership of both aren't concerned with the truth. Just what truth they can spin for gain.

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You do realize that the Dems are in the minority and none of the hearings could go on without the GOP.

toguy5252 said:

You do realize that the Dems are in the minority and none of the hearings could go on without the GOP.

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And what you haven't figured out yet is there are members of the GOP who hate Trump as well and would happily see him impeached if they could.

This isn't about GoP vs Democrats. It's as much about the establishment politicians vs outsiders. Especially the Neo-cons and warhawks in both parties.

Don't doubt that.

People were frothing at the mouth about Russia only a few short weeks ago. Now they've pivoted to Obstruction of Justice because the Russia investigation proved to be a lot of "There's no there there"

To be honest...if they were dogs I would've shot them in the head as they seemed rabid to me.

It was the usual suspects

Calgacus said:

People were frothing at the mouth about Russia only a few short weeks ago. Now they've pivoted to Obstruction of Justice because the Russia investigation proved to be a lot of "There's no there there"

To be honest...if they were dogs I would've shot them in the head as they seemed rabid to me.

It was the usual suspects

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Shoot who in the head?

The Senate and House Republicans who authorized the investigations?

Donald Trump? Who by his repeated denials of fact, his attempts to apparently cloud and coverup fact, his crass disparaging and heaping of derision upon the finders of fact and his repeated attempts to impede, intervene and influence to his benefit these finders of fact, has led to these finders of fact to intensify and expand there investigations.

He is reaping what he has sown, so shoot him in the head to end your agony.

Moviefan-2 said:

Interesting take from Democratic senator Chris Murphy in the Washington Post.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...b01cce9b69b2fb981de0d/?utm_term=.5c73416d9864

As increasing numbers of commentators start to ask, "where's the evidence?", I would go further than the Democratic senator. I suspect growing numbers of Americans likely do suspect the whole thing really is nothing more than a "witch hunt."

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One of the surest signs of someone uninterested in debate is how ready they are to appoint themselves the speaker for 'what real people think'. As if their was any other kind.

I couldn't find Sen. Murphy using that phrase, nor did the Post's writers. I congratulate you on your deep knowledge 'real' people Moviefan, I can only assume the true message in your headline was that caring about Russian interference in American affections was restricted to 'fake' people. alien imposters from space most likely. No wonder mere illegal immigrants cause such apprehension when extra-terrestrials have the power to set up government probes.

Be verwwy, vewwy afwaid!

toguy5252 said:

Whether or not peiole are interested is really quite beside the point. Russian meddling is an assault on American democracy

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Its kind of an ironic statement given the fact US has meddled into so many 3rd world country elections themselves

Phil C. McNasty said:

Its kind of an ironic statement given the fact US has meddled into so many 3rd world country elections themselves

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If the focus is placed on election meddling, what the "people" really care about is finding out what the culprits were able to do, how they did it, and whether there are any measures that can protect against it.

I suspect that Congress knows they will have only disappointing answers on those fronts ("We must protect...." and other such non-answers).

p.s. I really hate the girl in your new sig! She seems like a total b*tch! Did you choose it because you like her, or some other reason?

Bud Plug said:

p.s. I really hate the girl in your new sig! She seems like a total b*tch! Did you choose it because you like her, or some other reason?

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LOL...I picked her cause she's cute. The whole middlefinger thing is just a term of endearment on her part :biggrin1:

Phil C. McNasty said:

Its kind of an ironic statement given the fact US has meddled into so many 3rd world country elections themselves

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I think the real irony is that the guy who never stops talking about how he is going to make America safe and how you have to name your enemies in order to defeat them (ie Islamic terrorists) is the only person in Washington who refuses to call out Russia for the biggest assault on democracy in history. Well at least if you don't count the Koch brothers.

oldjones said:

One of the surest ways to spot folks who have closed their minds to debate is when they summarize positions as "…what 'real' folks think". As if there was any other sort.

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You dont seem to realize that the world and people around you have changed drastically. You seem to have closed your mind about 30 years ago. You still think that most people are like you and were brought up with the same values as you. This is not meant as an attack or criticism of you as you seem to have a good moral compass.

Bud Plug said:

If the focus is placed on election meddling, what the "people" really care about is finding out what the culprits were able to do, how they did it, and whether there are any measures that can protect against it.

I suspect that Congress knows they will have only disappointing answers on those fronts ("We must protect...." and other such non-answers).

p.s. I really hate the girl in your new sig! She seems like a total b*tch! Did you choose it because you like her, or some other reason?

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Ultimately it's up to those contesting elections to ensure their communications and data are secure, and uninfluenced by foreign or home-grown 'outsiders'. That's all part of free-speech and association, and governed by expectations of privacy (although the idea of absolutely open political campaigning without secrecy is certainly appealing). The government can really only provide to Parties the same security, and legal recourse we all get as citizens. Worth looking at doing that better, but it'll never be watertight.

The real issue is whether the legal voting framework the states provide so voters can be confident the result is fair and just is up to the task, or whether it has been, or could be, distorted and corrupted. In this highly mobile internet era, with enormous discretionary sums available to buy influence or manipulate results, that's really where the US desperately needs a serious Special Counsel investigating bigly.

However the political priorities of two parties times fifty different states, and a split Supreme Court ultimately adjudicating all that to fit an out-dated Constitution ensure that will only get worse for a long time before it gets better. Let's just hope 'worse' dosen't come down to the mass murder of a Second Revolution or Civil War II.

Every four years, ask: never mind who won, was this one a better election, or worse?

oldjones said:

Ultimately it's up to those contesting elections to ensure their communications and data are secure, and uninfluenced by foreign or home-grown 'outsiders'. That's all part of free-speech and association, and governed by expectations of privacy (although the idea of absolutely open political campaigning without secrecy is certainly appealing). The government can really only provide to Parties the same security, and legal recourse we all get as citizens. Worth looking at doing that better, but it'll never be watertight.

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Like you, I think the private security of the political parties/candidates is their own responsibility, not the government's. However, I think the government is responsible for the reliability and security of the voting machines, reporting equipment, voter registration databases, and the like.

The only meddling allegation I think is within the proper purview of Congress is the contention that someone accessed, or tried to access voter registration systems. The rest of the cyber security piece (hacking of the DNC, Podesta) belongs in a criminal investigation (of course, that would entail the FBI doing their own forensic analysis of the affected servers, which is not going to happen).

I don't think that Congress is going to find a way to reconcile all of the different voting systems across the states, or anticipate the next attempt by someone (foreign or domestic) to access election records. These hearings are more of an exercise in "looking concerned" than any true troubleshooting.

Bud Plug said:

These hearings are more of an exercise in "looking concerned" than any true troubleshooting.

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This is the issue with our governments and bureaucrats. Most make themselves busy looking busy and few are focused on solving problems

Case in point - The night of Trumps live rally speech, CNN and MSNBC covered it for 7 minutes and then cut to talk about the 'alleged collusion between Trump and Putin" LOL. When you are myopic on a particular person like they are, in this case the POTUS, why wouldn't they cover him 'live' to actually hear what he has to say, unless, that unfiltered version of Trump doesn't allow for commentary, punditry, or maybe speculation around their latest bombshell that came via un-named sources.

So let's talk about the business end of journalism, how did the ratings work out? Was this a good editorial decision by CNN and MSNBC not to cover this rally live as Fox did?

Fox quadrupled CNN's audience during live coverage at 8pm the night of the rally. Fox 3.3 Million, CNN - 821,000, MSNBC-1.53 Million.

So was this a good choice? It appears not, from a business perspective or an editorial perspective.