I'm not suggesting it, I'm flat out saying it. It should be duplicated at least once for it to be a record shot. As for unmasking position. Coalition snipers take multiple shots from same position in those conflicts because they have support and because the opposition has very limited means to respond. The great distance also acts as a protection. One report I read, the sniper took multiple shots on a walking target without him realizing that he was being shot at. Simply, because of the distance, the bullet did not make the supersonic crack when passing the target.
Canadian sniper sets world record with 2.2-mile pickoff of ISIS fighter
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I'm still confused.I'm not suggesting it, I'm flat out saying it. It should be duplicated at least once for it to be a record shot. As for unmasking position. Coalition snipers take multiple shots from same position in those conflicts because they have support and because the opposition has very limited means to respond. The great distance also acts as a protection. One report I read, the sniper took multiple shots on a walking target without him realizing that he was being shot at. Simply, because of the distance, the bullet did not make the supersonic crack when passing the target.
How would you recommend duplicating the shot?
Ask a really helpful so-called Islamic State fighter to stand in the blood stain for a minute while a coalition fighter fires at them?
Take another shot at another day at a comparable distance. If he makes it, I would even let him keep the longer one. The problem is, with the current equipment, all shots at those distances are luck. It's nice to be lucky, but marksmanship should be about skill.I'm still confused.
How would you recommend duplicating the shot?
Ask a really helpful so-called Islamic State fighter to stand in the blood stain for a minute while a coalition fighter fires at them?
Won't it need to be comparable conditions?Take another shot at another day at a comparable distance. If he makes it, I would even let him keep the longer one. The problem is, with the current equipment, all shots at those distances are luck. It's nice to be lucky, but marksmanship should be about skill.
Similar height of hide with respect to target. Similar wind conditions (which given the distance and being in a city might be quite difficult to recreate cross-winds), similar humidity etc.
I'm not saying it's impossible, I am wondering how realistic this would be (not the recreated distance of the shot itself, but how likely you could actually recreate conditions immediately after the shot without putting an operator at-risk).
And how far back would you eradicate records? The previous British and Canadian records would seem very suspect to me if they didn't follow similar conditions.
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I'm still going to chalk this up to a lot of skill and whatever luck is.
That's like saying anyone who hits a hole in one has to make it again to make it count.Take another shot at another day at a comparable distance. If he makes it, I would even let him keep the longer one. The problem is, with the current equipment, all shots at those distances are luck. It's nice to be lucky, but marksmanship should be about skill.
In any feat involving something traveling a distance there is going to be luck involved. But the shooter will have had to use skill to set up the conditions for it to succeed.
And that's why they deserve the credit. For all the prep that goes into making the shot possible.
Excellent comparison. Pro golfer's odds for hole in one 2700-1, low handicap 5000-1, amateur 12500-1.That's like saying anyone who hits a hole in one has to make it again to make it count.
In any feat involving something traveling a distance there is going to be luck involved. But the shooter will have had to use skill to set up the conditions for it to succeed.
And that's why they deserve the credit. For all the prep that goes into making the shot possible.
I'll settle for pure distance. A hole in one may be rare, but it happens often enough. A death shot at over 2 miles is unique. It's a great shot, but when he's celebrating over a case of beer, he's buddies are raising glasses to the luckiest man alive.That's like saying anyone who hits a hole in one has to make it again to make it count.
In any feat involving something traveling a distance there is going to be luck involved. But the shooter will have had to use skill to set up the conditions for it to succeed.
And that's why they deserve the credit. For all the prep that goes into making the shot possible.
Of all the millions of soldiers in the millions of planets in the universe he is the only one who pulled of that shot. Until someone else does it, its his record.It's a great shot, but when he's celebrating over a case of beer, he's buddies are raising glasses to the luckiest man alive.
BTW: In our computer game the rules of engagement for the good guy are:
1) Shout 3 verbal warnings.
2) Then fire 2 warning shots in the air.
3) Ask HQ for permission to shoot the bastard.
It was a lucky shot, any way you look at it. The skill might get you close, but the rest is pure luck or lack of it, in the case of the target.Of all the millions of soldiers in the millions of planets in the universe he is the only one who pulled of that shot. Until someone else does it, its his record.
BTW: In our computer game the rules of engagement for the good guy are:
1) Shout 3 verbal warnings.
2) Then fire 2 warning shots in the air.
3) Ask HQ for permission to shoot the bastard.
There is an element of luck in many aspects of life, but luck can only take you so far. A person's skill gets them there.It was a lucky shot, any way you look at it. The skill might get you close, but the rest is pure luck or lack of it, in the case of the target.
Skill and incredibly accurate technology made the kill.It was a lucky shot, any way you look at it. The skill might get you close, but the rest is pure luck or lack of it, in the case of the target.
It was a ridiculously long shot and the sniper took a chance that he would hit the target, even with his skill and experience he could probably not duplicate that shot again within the next 10 shots because it was an additional 3000+ ft. from the last record shot.It was a lucky shot, any way you look at it. The skill might get you close, but the rest is pure luck or lack of it, in the case of the target.
The Canadian Army buys purpose made sniper rifles exclusively made for snipers. ( general infantry snipers / non special units ) I believe the C14 Timberwolf sniper rifle supplied to Canadian snipers are superior to the modified off the rack sniper rifles supplied to the US Army. The American Army uses a modified Remington 700 upgraded for military use.Skill and incredibly accurate technology made the kill.
In this Vox interview, Canadian Army Warrant Officer Oliver Cromwell (a sniper who has served in the Canadian military for 19 years) said of this shot, "It’s about 90 percent skill and about 10 percent luck, or 95 percent skill and 5 percent luck. Our guys are very skilled. It takes a lot of practice and a lot of experience to do it."It was a ridiculously long shot and the sniper took a chance that he would hit the target, even with his skill and experience he could probably not duplicate that shot again within the next 10 shots because it was an additional 3000+ ft. from the last record shot.
The Canadian Army buys purpose made sniper rifles exclusively made for snipers. ( general infantry snipers / non special units ) I believe the C14 Timberwolf sniper rifle supplied to Canadian snipers are superior to the modified off the rack sniper rifles supplied to the US Army. The American Army uses a modified Remington 700 upgraded for military use.
But jcpro might be right. Not quite sure what his credentials are...
In an article I don't feel like finding, the sniper was reported to have used a McMillan Tac-50 (C15 with a fibreglass stock - designated C151A1) firing a .50" Browning Machine Gun round.
This information is completely wrongThe Canadian Army buys purpose made sniper rifles exclusively made for snipers. ( general infantry snipers / non special units ) I believe the C14 Timberwolf sniper rifle supplied to Canadian snipers are superior to the modified off the rack sniper rifles supplied to the US Army. The American Army uses a modified Remington 700 upgraded for military use
Please read again..................especially this part, ( general infantry snipers / non special units ) and when I say I believe it is a matter of opinion.This information is completely wrong
If you still say I am wrong can you please elaborate?
I'm glad you cleared that up because your opinion is wrong. Canadian sniper rifles (even though they are fine weapons) are not among the best in the world. They dont even crack the top 10. The best sniper rifles are US, Russian, German and British made:Please read again..................especially this part, ( general infantry snipers / non special units ) and when I say I believe it is a matter of opinion
http://www.military.com/video/guns/rifles/top-10-sniper-rifles/4915628501001
http://wonderfulengineering.com/top-10-sniper-rifles/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/collection/10-best-sniper-rifles/?page=11
I didn't think that Canada manufactures any sniper rifles. The McMillan TAC-50 is manufactured in the USA.I'm glad you cleared that up because your opinion is wrong. Canadian sniper rifles (even though they are fine weapons) are not among the best in the world. They dont even crack the top 10. The best sniper rifles are US, Russian, German and British made:
http://www.military.com/video/guns/rifles/top-10-sniper-rifles/4915628501001
http://wonderfulengineering.com/top-10-sniper-rifles/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/collection/10-best-sniper-rifles/?page=11
http://www.pgwdti.com/timberwolf/
The C14 Timberwolf sniper rifle used by the Canadian army for routine patrol is made in Winnipeg. The hardest barrier to entry into the sniper rifle business is the engineering, design and testing. Anyone that can afford a CNC machine and access to metal machining bars and cylinders of the proper Rockwell hardness can get into the business of producing sniper rifles. Exact duplicates can be produced of any existing sniper rifle.
The C14 Timberwolf sniper rifle used by the Canadian army for routine patrol is made in Winnipeg. The hardest barrier to entry into the sniper rifle business is the engineering, design and testing. Anyone that can afford a CNC machine and access to metal machining bars and cylinders of the proper Rockwell hardness can get into the business of producing sniper rifles. Exact duplicates can be produced of any existing sniper rifle.
