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Blacks only graduation at U of T...WTF!

xmontrealer

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The referenced article says it is in addition to the general all-inclusive U of T Convocation ceremonies, which one would assume all black graduating students will attend as well.

What's the problem?
 

Jasmine Raine

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The referenced article says it is in addition to the general all-inclusive U of T Convocation ceremonies, which one would assume all black graduating students will attend as well.

What's the problem?
Can each race of students be given their own exclusive ceremony as well and why is the university not doing that for them?
 

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The referenced article says it is in addition to the general all-inclusive U of T Convocation ceremonies, which one would assume all black graduating students will attend as well.

What's the problem?
What do you believe the reaction would be if someone set up a White's only graduation ceremony and said we are excluding all other races from this ceremony.
 

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What do you believe the reaction would be if someone set up a White's only graduation ceremony and said we are excluding all other races from this ceremony.
nobody would have a problem with this...... LMFAO
 

frankcastle

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Can each race of students be given their own exclusive ceremony as well and why is the university not doing that for them?
A big point is missed here.

This is an event planned by the students not the school.

There are many clubs in Universities based on race and religion and sexual orientation. The key is were other races told they could not come?

Much like the confederate flag on the Dukes of Hazard car context is important.

Is this some sort of celebration to recognize that blacks are under represented in post secondary education?

I also read that some other schools like Harvard does it as well. Just because it is done at a world reknowned school doesn't make it right. But it does suggest that more information needs to be presented on the spirit and reasoning for this graduation.
 

Jasmine Raine

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A big point is missed here.

This is an event planned by the students not the school.

There are many clubs in Universities based on race and religion and sexual orientation. The key is were other races told they could not come?

Much like the confederate flag on the Dukes of Hazard car context is important.

Is this some sort of celebration to recognize that blacks are under represented in post secondary education?

I also read that some other schools like Harvard does it as well. Just because it is done at a world reknowned school doesn't make it right. But it does suggest that more information needs to be presented on the spirit and reasoning for this graduation.
Just for proper context

While the event is organized and run by students, it is going ahead on campus with the university’s blessing and financial support.
So again I ask, can this be funded by UofT for all students of each race?
Because I highly doubt the university would ever allow that. But it we kept all things equal....

White
Spanish
Asian - would we have to devide that up between Japanese, Chinese, etc

Then getting into religion, should there not also be one for christians, jews, and muslims, etc.

I realize that is getting ridiculous but then again so is expecting inclusion all the time from one race, and yet still want to enjoy your exclusion from them when it suits you.
 

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I think about how hard so many people fought to get rid of segregation and you read about something so foolish as this.

George Wallace must be just laughing in his grave right now.
 

frankcastle

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Just for proper context



So again I ask, can this be funded by UofT for all students of each race?
Because I highly doubt the university would ever allow that. But it we kept all things equal....

White
Spanish
Asian - would we have to devide that up between Japanese, Chinese, etc

Then getting into religion, should there not also be one for christians, jews, and muslims, etc.

I realize that is getting ridiculous but then again so is expecting inclusion all the time from one race, and yet still want to enjoy your exclusion from them when it suits you.
How much does it cost? The venue is owned by the university. The speakers are employees on salary. So what are we talking about some decorations?

But to answer you're question I think it's wrong to assume that other races would be shot down.
 

frankcastle

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I think about how hard so many people fought to get rid of segregation and you read about something so foolish as this.

George Wallace must be just laughing in his grave right now.
Oh please. It's bigger than simple inclusion or exclusion. People who fight for black rights are talking about freedom. If black students want their own special ceremony I'm fine with that. At the end of the day EVERYONE gets a graduation so where is the harm?

If enough kids feel it necessary then go out and arrange your Chinese, Indian, White grads as well.
 

Jasmine Raine

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Oh please. It's bigger than simple inclusion or exclusion. People who fight for black rights are talking about freedom. If black students want their own special ceremony I'm fine with that. At the end of the day EVERYONE gets a graduation so where is the harm?

If enough kids feel it necessary then go out and arrange your Chinese, Indian, White grads as well.
Except any realist would know that if there was a white only grad - there would be an uproar of biblical proportions.

I am fine with them having a black only event, and you are right that it won't cost UofT anything more then maybe some plastic dishes but the point is no one should be demanding something they are themselves guilty of. So someone would be in an uproar about a whites only grad, should be enjoying a black only one.

A University that would not be so insensitive as to have, support and fund and whites only grad should be offering those to a black only grad.

THAT is what equal rights are. Not just the part of rights you want to pick. You need to take the good with the bad.
 

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Except any realist would know that if there was a white only grad - there would be an uproar of biblical proportions.

I am fine with them having a black only event, and you are right that it won't cost UofT anything more then maybe some plastic dishes but the point is no one should be demanding something they are themselves guilty of. So someone would be in an uproar about a whites only grad, should be enjoying a black only one.

A University that would not be so insensitive as to have, support and fund and whites only grad should be offering those to a black only grad.

THAT is what equal rights are. Not just the part of rights you want to pick. You need to take the good with the bad.
Unfortunately having a "whites only" graduation is not the same thing. This is because, despite many years of efforts and struggle, the black population is not equal, due to the lingering consequences of past severe racist discrimination, and less subtle racism that exists today. That is what this ceremony is about, acknowledging that for black students getting into university and graduating still poses more challenges than for other non marginalized groups. As one of the whitest guys around, I've got no problem with that at all, nor do I feel slighted or discriminated against. I know that I've benefited way more As a consequence of the race I was born into, than the "negative" effect that a "black only" graduation would have on me.
 

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This must be some form of a demonstration by blacks,... against racism.

Can't see any other logical reason for this racist initiative.
 

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Seen this today in the Toronto Sun. Blacks want to be treated as equals(and all races should be) but want their own grad ceremony? I wonder what the reaction would be if the whites asked for their own ceremony? I bet BML would go ballistic .....again.
White illiterate complains about blacks graduating from University
Comedy gold

Just for fun, what does BML stand for?
 

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Unfortunately having a "whites only" graduation is not the same thing. This is because, despite many years of efforts and struggle, the black population is not equal, due to the lingering consequences of past severe racist discrimination, and less subtle racism that exists today. That is what this ceremony is about, acknowledging that for black students getting into university and graduating still poses more challenges than for other non marginalized groups. As one of the whitest guys around, I've got no problem with that at all, nor do I feel slighted or discriminated against. I know that I've benefited way more As a consequence of the race I was born into, than the "negative" effect that a "black only" graduation would have on me.

Just to be clear, I have no problem with celebrating the achievements of these students under the additional struggles that they face. I get it. I am not that insensitive.

That does not take away from the very real fact that it is a form oF exclusivity. Even if we can understand and even agree why, you can't preach for a fully inclusive society while enjoying exclusivity when you want. It just does not work that way.

As a society we ALL have to practice what we preach to make any real difference. Just as we will not have a white only grad, we don't have a black only grad. Just as we don't allow Christian prayer in public school, we should not allow Muslim prayer. Just as Muslim schools must be private schools and not publically funded, neither should Catholic schools or people should equally have a say in which schools their taxes should go to.

What should happen is a special achkownledgment for their achievements during the one inclusive graduation. If you want to stop equal rights, you need to give rights equally in return.
 

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Yep, if anything will end racism in our time, it's further segregation! lol

This reminds me of the story at Evergreen State College, where it was a regular thing for Black/Latino students to walk off campus annually in "solidarity" for one another. But this year, instead of walking off themselves, they asked all white students AND faculty to leave instead. When one professor rightly protested, in a very well-worded email, they called for his firing.

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/05/...rofessor-objected-asking-whites-leave-campus/

Solving the racism problem DOES NOT include further segregation. It just creates divisions. When will we, as a society, realize such acts are part of the problem and stop supporting them? We don't need to promote Black identity, or Latino identity, or White identity. We need to promote individual identities, always.
 

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Just to be clear, I have no problem with celebrating the achievements of these students under the additional struggles that they face. I get it. I am not that insensitive.

That does not take away from the very real fact that it is a form oF exclusivity. Even if we can understand and even agree why, you can't preach for a fully inclusive society while enjoying exclusivity when you want. It just does not work that way.

As a society we ALL have to practice what we preach to make any real difference. Just as we will not have a white only grad, we don't have a black only grad. Just as we don't allow Christian prayer in public school, we should not allow Muslim prayer. Just as Muslim schools must be private schools and not publically funded, neither should Catholic schools or people should equally have a say in which schools their taxes should go to.

What should happen is a special achkownledgment for their achievements during the one inclusive graduation. If you want to stop equal rights, you need to give rights equally in return.
I pretty much agree with everything you are saying. I just don't see this as a form of segregation/ discrimination at all. Just a group that is marginalized in society, celebrating a common bond and achievement. Nothing more.
 
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