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Blacks only graduation at U of T...WTF!

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Unfortunately having a "whites only" graduation is not the same thing. This is because, despite many years of efforts and struggle, the black population is not equal, due to the lingering consequences of past severe racist discrimination, and less subtle racism that exists today. That is what this ceremony is about, acknowledging that for black students getting into university and graduating still poses more challenges than for other non marginalized groups. As one of the whitest guys around, I've got no problem with that at all, nor do I feel slighted or discriminated against. I know that I've benefited way more As a consequence of the race I was born into, than the "negative" effect that a "black only" graduation would have on me.

it's been 50 years since segregation ended. there is no more excuses.
 

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Can each race of students be given their own exclusive ceremony as well and why is the university not doing that for them?
Don't see why not. They asked, others could too.

Why is this anything more than of passing interest because it's a bit unusual. Lotsa groups have special parties and ceremonies to recognize their members achievement in graduating. No one is hurt by them. I seem to remember the COTC of my day booking the gym for a parade, and the weight trainers found somewhere else that day. People do that stuff for each other.
 

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state mandated racial segregation was made illegal in the 1964 civil rights act
Oh, do tell. So now there's no discrimination in the USA and you see proportionately equal numbers of blacks, whites and other races everywhere: in education, employment, and across the residential and commercial areas of cities. Hallelulia!!.

But that's an American law, passed a century after a bloody war that should have made all people free and equal. This is a Canadian story, about Canadian university students and people making polite and willing accommodations for each others reasonable requests. So we won't have to repeal segregation laws.
 

frankcastle

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Just to be clear, I have no problem with celebrating the achievements of these students under the additional struggles that they face. I get it. I am not that insensitive.

That does not take away from the very real fact that it is a form oF exclusivity. Even if we can understand and even agree why, you can't preach for a fully inclusive society while enjoying exclusivity when you want. It just does not work that way.

As a society we ALL have to practice what we preach to make any real difference. Just as we will not have a white only grad, we don't have a black only grad. Just as we don't allow Christian prayer in public school, we should not allow Muslim prayer. Just as Muslim schools must be private schools and not publically funded, neither should Catholic schools or people should equally have a say in which schools their taxes should go to.

What should happen is a special achkownledgment for their achievements during the one inclusive graduation. If you want to stop equal rights, you need to give rights equally in return.
This type of thing happens all the time.

There are events where women are invited to job fairs to promote women in fields that are traditionally male dominated.

There was a school board in the GTA that had a gay positive dance for all identified kids in the school board.

There are events for veterans. etc etc etc


The key is that no one is deprived of a graduation.

Furthermore, there is a completely valid reason for some events to cater to certain groups. In this case it happens to be acknowledging their struggles.

If there was a Chinese grad to be done in Mandarin for all the ESL parents I could see the value in that.

So if you want a white only grade go for it..... just provide a reason.
 

frankcastle

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Other races are not excluded because they have a perfectly fine grad to go to. In fact that one probably gets better keynote speakers, larger venue and nicer decorations.
 

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This is no worse than a women's only gym. Sure women have fought for equality but maybe they feel more comfortable in a female only space. And men don't suffer because their are gyms they too can go to.

There are limits to human rights codes..... for example, a shelter for battered women can hire women preferentially, the fire department can avoid hiring disabled people who can't perform the tasks of a fire fighter etc.
 

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Im sure the university isn't going to disagree with these racist black students, they dont want another Lord of the flies incident like that uni Everblack went through.
 

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I think about how hard so many people fought to get rid of segregation and you read about something so foolish as this.

George Wallace must be just laughing in his grave right now.
I agree. I grew up during the Civil Rights Movement, and was brought up to believe that all rasces were equal. In Canada, the very idea of anything segregated was offensive at that time. Now we see minority groups agitating for separate parades, separate classes, and now separate graduations. This is not how we bring people together. It will be interesting to see how these grads make out in the workplace when they continue this type of thinking. I'm sure that employers will be accommodating...
 

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This remains mindbogglingly stupid. Decades of fighting to be able to graduate from the same university and at the same ceremony as Whites, and now oh no we want a separate ceremony.
 

james t kirk

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Oh please. It's bigger than simple inclusion or exclusion. People who fight for black rights are talking about freedom. If black students want their own special ceremony I'm fine with that. At the end of the day EVERYONE gets a graduation so where is the harm?

If enough kids feel it necessary then go out and arrange your Chinese, Indian, White grads as well.
You never cease to make me laugh.

If there was a "white graduation", the result would be akin to a nuclear cataclysm. I can't believe you could even think anything so foolish.

I certainly do not support any kind of division by race. It's crazy.

Blacks (and everyone else for that matter) fought and died to END segregation in schools in the United States. The national guard was sent in to desegregate schools. And here we are 50 years later with black people wanting a black graduation. It just doesn't make sense. It's not about inclusion, or exclusion, it's about going backwards.

I'm guessing history was never your strong suit.





 

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Seen this today in the Toronto Sun. Blacks want to be treated as equals(and all races should be) but want their own grad ceremony? I wonder what the reaction would be if the whites asked for their own ceremony? I bet BML would go ballistic .....again.

http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/Canada/2017/06/22/22733079.html
Oh No. A group is having their own party. How evil.

I am pretty sure that white students won't be banned either just like straight students are never banned at the university backed LGBT club's events.
 

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What coloured people don't realize is when things like this happen, it just reinforces the stereotype that they are weak and need that never ending helping hand by good 'ol whitey, school gimmes and government assistance. Anything to make them feel special, while the other 90% of people of other racial background just go about life as normal.

At work, we have every ethnicity you can imagine. Guess what? NOBODY GIVES A SHIT. EVERYONE IS COOL WITH EACH OTHER. You don't need special groups at work for gender or racial background. Everyone works together, eats together in the lunch room and cooperate in meetings. You aren't going to see..... "OK everyone this month's winner for best performing Black guy is...... or award for most effective racial group is.....

It's amazing that schools in the modern day would even do things like this since, you'd think the purpose of schools is learning and tolerance.

As for anyone saying "what stops any other group from doing the same". Gimme a break. You, me and everyone knows that if a bunch of white people tried that it would be called out and cancelled.
 

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Oh No. A group is having their own party. How evil.

I am pretty sure that white students won't be banned either just like straight students are never banned at the university backed LGBT club's events.
Who are you attempting to fool. Absolutely someone who was of a "incorrect race" would be banned, just the same as at the LGBT club dance you a straight person attempted to "put the moves" on someone who sees themselves as Gay or Lesbian.
 

Aardvark154

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As said incredibly stupid how is it acceptable to say no non-Black students are allowed at our Black Commencement..~~~~ But if we say it is 1946 all over again, this is a White's only Commencement -- That, that is racist as Hell!
 
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