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Woman outraged after spotting confederate flag at Scarborough community festival

explorerzip

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It boggles my mind on how easily people get outraged over every little thing. She saw a replica car from a mediocre 70's TV show and this is how she reacts? How does she go about her daily life?

To me, it's the context that the flag is being displayed in matters. She did not witness a protest of skinheads walking down her street while waving the flag!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYIF7pNTlk&t=4s
 

Aardvark154

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A certain irony as well given that although men from British North America volunteered to serve in the Union Army and Navy, B.N.A. was not unfriendly to the Confederacy indeed Confederate Agents operated openly and took action against U.S. interests.
 

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Its not even the actual confederate flag, Its General Lee's battle flag. Only the army used that part of the Confederate flag, the reason why people think its the Confederate flag is because the battle flag is what veterans would always carry.
 

james t kirk

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It's a racist symbol. The symbol of slavery for which the confederacy fought to preserve and lost. I get it and no-one should be flying it ever. Especially in Canada.

Get rid of it.

End of story.
 

frankcastle

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That car is a piece of pop culture history NOT a statement of support of the south and slavery.

That car was at a car show.

Much like if you went to a US museum of American History having a confederate flag would not be out of place.

Context is key.
 

mandrill

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Its not even the actual confederate flag, Its General Lee's battle flag. Only the army used that part of the Confederate flag, the reason why people think its the Confederate flag is because the battle flag is what veterans would always carry.
Well, there you go. Point taken. And that makes all the difference.
 

mandrill

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That car is a piece of pop culture history NOT a statement of support of the south and slavery.

That car was at a car show.

Much like if you went to a US museum of American History having a confederate flag would not be out of place.

Context is key.

I agree.
 

james t kirk

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That car is a piece of pop culture history NOT a statement of support of the south and slavery.

That car was at a car show.

Much like if you went to a US museum of American History having a confederate flag would not be out of place.

Context is key.
Context? What more context do you need than what this flag stands for? Sure, it's just painted on a car, but it offends millions of people and I get that. Would it not be so hard to just strip the paint off the roof of that car and paint the whole damn thing orange?

This flag is just not the paint job on the roof of a car from a hoaky 80's TV show. It is not an innocent symbol. This flag has nothing to do with the celebration of a heritage, unless you mean a sanitized history of a heritage that celebrates enslavement and fear. Which is everything it stands for. Today, this flag is used by pure evil racists (witness Dylan Roof) to send a very powerful message to people of colour. And that message is very simple, I will remind you of your place in history. The history of this flag is an affront to all decent people everywhere. The Confederacy was on the wrong side of history. Full stop. The Civil War was all about preserving slavery. Full stop. The wounds of the Civil War run deep and they cross international borders right here into Canada. (Even if Canada never allowed slavery.)

One section of our country believes slavery is right and ought to be extended, while the other believes it is wrong and ought not to be extended. This is the only substantial dispute.

Abraham Lincoln in his inaugural speech of 1860 prior to the outbreak of the Civil War.
 

frankcastle

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Context? What more context do you need than what this flag stands for? Sure, it's just painted on a car, but it offends millions of people and I get that. Would it not be so hard to just strip the paint off the roof of that car and paint the whole damn thing orange?

This flag is just not the paint job on the roof of a car from a hoaky 80's TV show. It is not an innocent symbol. This flag has nothing to do with the celebration of a heritage, unless you mean a sanitized history of a heritage that celebrates enslavement and fear. Which is everything it stands for. Today, this flag is used by pure evil racists (witness Dylan Roof) to send a very powerful message to people of colour. And that message is very simple, I will remind you of your place in history. The history of this flag is an affront to all decent people everywhere. The Confederacy was on the wrong side of history. Full stop. The Civil War was all about preserving slavery. Full stop. The wounds of the Civil War run deep and they cross international borders right here into Canada. (Even if Canada never allowed slavery.)

One section of our country believes slavery is right and ought to be extended, while the other believes it is wrong and ought not to be extended. This is the only substantial dispute.

Abraham Lincoln in his inaugural speech of 1860 prior to the outbreak of the Civil War.
I've seen it on people's trucks and porches in Ontario that it wrong. But on a fictional character (if a car can be thought of as a character) I don't see it.

If the writers of the show admitted that it was a show about the "south shall rise again" then you have a point but that show was about stunt driving and daisy dukes.

To me this is similar to GSP wearing the rising sun symbol. I am pretty sure he is in no way supporting that symbol.
 

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It's a racist symbol. The symbol of slavery for which the confederacy fought to preserve and lost. I get it and no-one should be flying it ever. Especially in Canada.
Yes I agree that someone flying it in Canada is likely inappropriate. As to the rest it depends how it is being flown: at a KKK rally you bet it is racist. As a 12" x 18" graveside flag at the grave of a Confederate Veteran you bet it is entirely appropriate!
 

Aardvark154

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Its not even the actual confederate flag, Its General Lee's battle flag.
Even more than that it is the Army of the Tennessee's Battle Flag, not that of the Army of Northern Virginia commanded by Robert E. Lee, which was square like British Battle Flags.
 

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Context? What more context do you need than what this flag stands for?
So you are saying it should not be displayed/seen in a Civil War museum. The flag stands for the same thing in that context as well.

Your statement was an absolute with no qualifiers.
 
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Some people just need a slap upside the head now and then. The fact they are continually offended offends me.
 

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Context? What more context do you need than what this flag stands for? Sure, it's just painted on a car, but it offends millions of people and I get that. Would it not be so hard to just strip the paint off the roof of that car and paint the whole damn thing orange?

This flag is just not the paint job on the roof of a car from a hoaky 80's TV show. It is not an innocent symbol. This flag has nothing to do with the celebration of a heritage, unless you mean a sanitized history of a heritage that celebrates enslavement and fear. Which is everything it stands for. Today, this flag is used by pure evil racists (witness Dylan Roof) to send a very powerful message to people of colour. And that message is very simple, I will remind you of your place in history. The history of this flag is an affront to all decent people everywhere. The Confederacy was on the wrong side of history. Full stop. The Civil War was all about preserving slavery. Full stop. The wounds of the Civil War run deep and they cross international borders right here into Canada. (Even if Canada never allowed slavery.)

One section of our country believes slavery is right and ought to be extended, while the other believes it is wrong and ought not to be extended. This is the only substantial dispute.

Abraham Lincoln in his inaugural speech of 1860 prior to the outbreak of the Civil War.
I'm totally with you here.

I'm not a huge fan of how this was dealt with, but the owner deserves a lot of the blame here.

I still enjoy warching the Duke boys foil Boss Hogg, but it's a bit too provocative to casually display that image, or a close-proximimate, today without offending people that we absolutely know take offence to public display of this image.

I want to believe people want to avoid intentionally offending other people in this country. It's just polite. It's Canadian.

I imagine some Buddhists and Hindus (and others) are somewhat miffed that flying a swastika in this country is generally perceived as abhorrent, despite their use of this image for 5,000 years before the Nazis successfully changed what it represents in western society.

Times change.

My "Rob Ford for Prime Minister" t-shirt earned me a lot of laughs around the world at one particular point in time when I travelled with it. It has been very much retired at this point.
 

wellhungone

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People have become to sensitive !

The General Lee is a car, nothing more or nothing less. People need to stop interrupting thing as bad.

I do not support the confederation flag, the flag on the car has no meaning.

We have become a society of wimps and babies. Everything offends us, our feelings are hurt. 18yr olds went to war to give us the freedom we have today, they didn't get offended by remarks or pictures. Social media is creating this culture.

Some people need to suck it up !

What next, the Daisy Duke short will be banned as well ???
 

Belleville69

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It boggles my mind on how easily people get outraged over every little thing. She saw a replica car from a mediocre 70's TV show and this is how she reacts? How does she go about her daily life?

To me, it's the context that the flag is being displayed in matters. She did not witness a protest of skinheads walking down her street while waving the flag!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYIF7pNTlk&t=4s

Exactly my thoughts when I saw it on the news
 
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