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SkyRider

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It's happened again. Car plows into pedestrians. This time in Newcastle. 6 people injured. Police say not terrorism.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Its not terror. Its some old (drunk?) lady who lost control of her car
 

FAST

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Apparently..... taking political actions against Qatar is not "putting it in words or writing" and the violence that Qatar is supporting is not Islamic in nature.
Apparently you can't comprehend the difference between individuals and a government.

When you have figured that out,...let us know.
 

frankcastle

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Apparently you can't comprehend the difference between individuals and a government.

When you have figured that out,...let us know.
Right a government is made up of a group of individuals which is elected by an even larger group of individuals to represent them. So that is s much stronger statement than Mohammed the gas attendant who took the day off to hold a peace sign.

But I provided you both spectrums..... average joes at a protest and politicians re: Qatar

In the Ariana Grande thread I provided an article with hundreds of INDIVIDUAL Imams in the UK who spoke out against the attack.

Anyways, I could provide any link and you will just make up a new problem.... if I post an individual you will say that's just one of millions of people. I post governments and you ask for something else.

This has nothing to do with comprehension but all to do with you constant change in criteria.
 

FAST

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Right a government is made up of a group of individuals which is elected by an even larger group of individuals to represent them. So that is s much stronger statement than Mohammed the gas attendant who took the day off to hold a peace sign.

But I provided you both spectrums..... average joes at a protest and politicians re: Qatar

In the Ariana Grande thread I provided an article with hundreds of INDIVIDUAL Imams in the UK who spoke out against the attack.

Anyways, I could provide any link and you will just make up a new problem.... if I post an individual you will say that's just one of millions of people. I post governments and you ask for something else.

This has nothing to do with comprehension but all to do with you constant change in criteria.
BULL SHIT frank,...I have only asked for examples of individual Muslims stating they are against Islamic terrorism,....you have provided none.

You change the subject to governments,...typical run away tactic.

Your,..."Mohammed the gas attendant who took the day off to hold a peace sign",...useless example,...does NOT fill the requirement,...of stating he is against Islamic terrorism.

Everybody who is not a terrorist, or supports terrorism,...is against terrorism,...big fricken deal.

"Whites" acknowledge Islamophobia,...specifically,...and individuals state they are against it,...Muslims do not state they are against Islamic terrorism,...or at least you can't provide proof of that.

Christians state they are against Catholic church pedophiles,...as just one example.

Until Muslims acknowledge that Islamic terrorism exits,...the problem will NOT go away,...and will continue.

I know I keep harping on this point,...but it is an important hurdle to get over.
 

lexicon4u

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Okay Fast I'll give it to you that many Muslims don't say specifically Islamic terrorism specifically because it causes negative stigma against the whole religion. You have to understand that. It would validate racists of your type and others in this board but obviously you don't give a shit about people who hold their faith close to their hearts
 

basketcase

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Christians state they are against Catholic church pedophiles,...as just one example.
Show me one example where a practicing Catholic specifically states they are against Catholic Church pedophiles.

They won't. They will generally discuss abuses in the church. They don't need to specify which church or what type of abuses because anyone with half a brain understands the context. Similarly when protesting terrorism after an Islamist attack the context is obvious.



But just to keep you happy, here is a Muslim groups specifically calling out ISIS.
http://isisnotinmyname.com
 

mandrill

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Don't confuse him with facts and truths. Here are more facts and truths.

It was the Muslim Turks that invaded Serbia. During WW II, Muslim Bosnians joined the Nazi army and tried to exterminate all the Serbs.

You've been given links on this already that totally disprove your crap. You disappear from threads when you are contradicted and then pop up again with the same bigoted crap a few threads later.
 

mandrill

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The war in Balkans in the early 90s had precious little to do with Muslims. If you knew anything about the history of the Balkans, you'd know that it was way way way more complicated than that.

The war in the Balkans goes back hundreds, maybe over a thousand years. The prime antagonists were the Serbians (Serbian Orthodox) and the Croatians (Roman Catholics). It was all about mutual hatred and carrying a grudge over some perceived slight from a thousand years ago and it went right up to World War 2 when both Serbs and Cros were fighting each other (with the Serbs being sometimes allied with the allies and the Cros being mostly allied with Hitler.) After WW2 you had the communist partisans (who were fighting more to establish a communist state under Tito. When the Partisans essentially gained control if you were a Croat in the Ustaše (ooos ta sha), he put a bullet in your head and if you were a Chetnik Serb he put a bullet in your head too. Tito came up with "Yugoslavia" (which no longer exists) and keeping it together was always a challenge, even for him. When Tito died, the whole thing started to unravel and the Serbs and Cros were right at it again.

The war in the early 1990s was all about turf. As simple and primitive as that. The Serbs and the Cros each wanted to gain as much territory from the break up of Yugoslavia as possible (to form "Greater Serbia" or "Greater Croatia") and anyone who got in their way was in big trouble. It had nothing to do with attacking Muslims, unless the Muslims got in their way. (Which they did.)

Up until the war you had Bosnian Croatians and Bosnian Serbs and each wanted to join the mother country. The ethnic Albanians / Muslims wanted neither, so they were targeted by whomever felt that the land they were on belonged to them.
Here you go, JTK. Some findings from the International Court which happen to contradict you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_genocide
 

FAST

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Okay Fast I'll give it to you that many Muslims don't say specifically Islamic terrorism specifically because it causes negative stigma against the whole religion. You have to understand that. It would validate racists of your type and others in this board but obviously you don't give a shit about people who hold their faith close to their hearts
I know many Christians who state openly negative points about their religion,...including stating that Catholic priests rape young boys,...were have you been,...in a basement all of your life.

Stating that Islamic terrorism is wrong,...does not cause a "negative stigma against the whole religion",...ONLY Islamic terrorists,...and if you were to actually think about it,...would do a lot to bring their religion into the 20th century,...as other religions have.

And again with the racist bull shit from you,...making negative comments about an oppressive religion is NOT racism,...

I especially like,... "people who hold their faith close to their hearts",...how the hell can you say that some one who was indoctrinated during their child hood,...has any choice in the matter.
 

SkyRider

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I know many Christians who state openly negative points about their religion,...including stating that Catholic priests rape young boys,..
When the Islamic apologists, supporters and sympathizers are losing the debate (very badly in this case), they will attack the Catholics.
 

frankcastle

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Okay Fast I'll give it to you that many Muslims don't say specifically Islamic terrorism specifically because it causes negative stigma against the whole religion. You have to understand that. It would validate racists of your type and others in this board but obviously you don't give a shit about people who hold their faith close to their hearts
Nope. FAST is just playing a game. When the Imams denounced the bombings what type were they denouncing? Muslim, Irish, Anti Abortionists?

When those people (muslims) show up to peace rally what type of violence are they against? Black on Black violence? Police brutality?

https://www.bustle.com/articles/149432-7-times-muslims-denounced-terror

Guess FAST hasn't heard of things like #notinmyname which is specifically for INDIVIDUAL muslims to denounce killings by ISIS

Or this university.....

On Tuesday, Al-Azhar, the Cairo university generally regarded as the center of Sunni Islam education, released a statement denouncing the terrorist attacks on Brussels, arguing that the attacks “violate the tolerant teachings of Islam.” Al-Azhar added, “If the international community does not unite to confront this epidemic, the corrupt will not stop from committing heinous crimes against the innocent.”

Or this ad in a UK paper.....

In November, after the terrorist attacks in Paris, the Muslim Council of Britain, an umbrella organization for hundreds of mosques, schools, and Islamic organizations, took out full page ads in two major newspapers to denounce terrorism, declaring, “With one voice, British Muslims condemn the Paris attacks unreservedly.” The ad stated, “The barbaric acts of Daesh [aka ISIS] have no sanction in the religion of Islam, which forbids terrorism and the targeting of innocents.”

Anyways.... the link I provided gives 7 examples
 

FAST

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Nope. FAST is just playing a game. When the Imams denounced the bombings what type were they denouncing? Muslim, Irish, Anti Abortionists?

When those people (muslims) show up to peace rally what type of violence are they against? Black on Black violence? Police brutality?

https://www.bustle.com/articles/149432-7-times-muslims-denounced-terror

Guess FAST hasn't heard of things like #notinmyname which is specifically for INDIVIDUAL muslims to denounce killings by ISIS

Or this university.....

On Tuesday, Al-Azhar, the Cairo university generally regarded as the center of Sunni Islam education, released a statement denouncing the terrorist attacks on Brussels, arguing that the attacks “violate the tolerant teachings of Islam.” Al-Azhar added, “If the international community does not unite to confront this epidemic, the corrupt will not stop from committing heinous crimes against the innocent.”

Or this ad in a UK paper.....

In November, after the terrorist attacks in Paris, the Muslim Council of Britain, an umbrella organization for hundreds of mosques, schools, and Islamic organizations, took out full page ads in two major newspapers to denounce terrorism, declaring, “With one voice, British Muslims condemn the Paris attacks unreservedly.” The ad stated, “The barbaric acts of Daesh [aka ISIS] have no sanction in the religion of Islam, which forbids terrorism and the targeting of innocents.”

Anyways.... the link I provided gives 7 examples
frank,...all you are providing is just more evidence that some Muslims state that attacking peoples of other religions,...terrorism,....is not part of the Islamic religion.

A lot of non Muslims,...would disagree.
 
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