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Phil C. McNasty

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A parachute is extremely dangerous in a building fire, there will be significant, violent thermals from the heat of the fire that will make your odds of a successful jump low in what was already a dangerous thing to do
Beats the hell out of jumping without a parachute, doesnt it??

Much better, cheaper, and easier to learn: buy some climbing gear, a really long rope, and learn how to absail down the side of a building. You can learn how on one Saturday and it's a lot less dangerous
How the heck are you gonna climb down when the whole building is on fire??

 

jcpro

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Agreed.

And 911 taught me to always go down, never up. Find a way to ground and out the door.

Either that or buy yourself a parachute and jump off the roof if you have too.
Most of the people who perish in fires succumb to smoke inhalation. An oxygen bottle and a pair of decent goggles should do the trick in most situations.
 

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A parachute is extremely dangerous in a building fire, there will be significant, violent thermals from the heat of the fire that will make your odds of a successful jump low in what was already a dangerous thing to do.
Fuji you totally leave out that parachutes catch on fire.
 

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Most of the people who perish in fires succumb to smoke inhalation. An oxygen bottle and a pair of decent goggles should do the trick in most situations.
Pure oxygen is going to get you into trouble. A SCBA is about $365 But most people would go their entire lives, perhaps four or more generations without ever using it.
 

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Funny to hear the Toronto fire authority proclaim that 'stand pat' is their advice for fires that happen in Toronto high rises. As if! I'm gone as soon as I hear the alarm!! Many stories from this London fire if people surviving because they disobeyed the order.
That was what happened in this instance. The advice was stand pat, that turned out to be horrifically bad advice.
 

jcpro

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Pure oxygen is going to get you into trouble. A SCBA is about $365 But most people would go their entire lives, perhaps four or more generations without ever using it.
Better to have and not need than need and not have. Every home should have an escape plan. If those poor English buggers had an escape plan, most of them would have avoided ending up in the body bags.
 

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I saw some pics of the inside of the apartments. There had to be stuff that was very flammable inside to cause that amount of fire damage.
 

james t kirk

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An air tank and goggles might not be a bad idea (not O2 though, just air)

But a parachute might work. If it's between getting roasted alive and taking a chance on a building jump, I'd go for it.

You would need to be trained at jumping from a plane, and have a high quality chute that you can maneuver. Run as fast as you can off the roof to pick up as much horizontal velocity as possible (since horizontal and vertical velocity are independent of one another). Your forward momentum should carry you away from the building.

It's better odds than nothing.

Google is your friend.

Apparently they do make them....

http://www.sosparachute.com/en/site/sos

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...igh-rise-office-workers-escape-emergency.html
 

jcpro

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An air tank and goggles might not be a bad idea (not O2 though, just air)

But a parachute might work. If it's between getting roasted alive and taking a chance on a building jump, I'd go for it.

You would need to be trained at jumping from a plane, and have a high quality chute that you can maneuver. Run as fast as you can off the roof to pick up as much horizontal velocity as possible (since horizontal and vertical velocity are independent of one another). Your forward momentum should carry you away from the building.

It's better odds than nothing.

Google is your friend.

Apparently they do make them....

http://www.sosparachute.com/en/site/sos

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...igh-rise-office-workers-escape-emergency.html
Nah, just take the emergency stairwell down. They will fill with smoke, often, but are designed not to burn.
 

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An air tank and goggles might not be a bad idea (not O2 though, just air)

But a parachute might work. If it's between getting roasted alive and taking a chance on a building jump, I'd go for it.

You would need to be trained at jumping from a plane, and have a high quality chute that you can maneuver. Run as fast as you can off the roof to pick up as much horizontal velocity as possible (since horizontal and vertical velocity are independent of one another). Your forward momentum should carry you away from the building.

It's better odds than nothing.

Google is your friend.

Apparently they do make them....

http://www.sosparachute.com/en/site/sos

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...igh-rise-office-workers-escape-emergency.html
They do make them but your odds of survival are likely 50/50. Better than no odds. But again your best bet is a rope, a harness, and a belay, to get past whichever floor is impassable.

You'd need to find a side without flames shooting out but usually there is one.

The reason I suggest it is that it's really easy for anyone to learn how to rappel at any climbing gym and the equipment is cheap. Plus more than one person can descend a rope.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Pure oxygen is going to get you into trouble. A SCBA is about $365 But most people would go their entire lives, perhaps four or more generations without ever using it
Would something like this work in a fire ?? Or do you need an oxygen bottle??

 

jcpro

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Would something like this work in a fire ?? Or do you need an oxygen bottle??

An independent air supply is the way to go. If I remember correctly, filters don't work on carbon monoxide.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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A parachute is extremely dangerous in a building fire, there will be significant, violent thermals from the heat of the fire that will make your odds of a successful jump low in what was already a dangerous thing to do
So once again fuji is wrong: http://www.sosparachute.com/en/site/sos

I lost count how many times he's been wrong now, but its a lot

 

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I just don't see how effective these parachuting and repelling devices would have been in this fire.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I just don't see how effective these parachuting and repelling devices would have been in this fire
Probably not very. But I'd say your survival odds are at least a bit better with a chute then without one.

If I were PM I'd make it mandatory that every apt. building in Canada was outfitted with an escape chute
 
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