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    Quote Originally Posted by james t kirk View Post
    An air tank and goggles might not be a bad idea (not O2 though, just air)

    But a parachute might work. If it's between getting roasted alive and taking a chance on a building jump, I'd go for it.

    You would need to be trained at jumping from a plane, and have a high quality chute that you can maneuver. Run as fast as you can off the roof to pick up as much horizontal velocity as possible (since horizontal and vertical velocity are independent of one another). Your forward momentum should carry you away from the building.

    It's better odds than nothing.

    Google is your friend.

    Apparently they do make them....

    http://www.sosparachute.com/en/site/sos

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...emergency.html
    Nah, just take the emergency stairwell down. They will fill with smoke, often, but are designed not to burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james t kirk View Post
    An air tank and goggles might not be a bad idea (not O2 though, just air)

    But a parachute might work. If it's between getting roasted alive and taking a chance on a building jump, I'd go for it.

    You would need to be trained at jumping from a plane, and have a high quality chute that you can maneuver. Run as fast as you can off the roof to pick up as much horizontal velocity as possible (since horizontal and vertical velocity are independent of one another). Your forward momentum should carry you away from the building.

    It's better odds than nothing.

    Google is your friend.

    Apparently they do make them....

    http://www.sosparachute.com/en/site/sos

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...emergency.html
    They do make them but your odds of survival are likely 50/50. Better than no odds. But again your best bet is a rope, a harness, and a belay, to get past whichever floor is impassable.

    You'd need to find a side without flames shooting out but usually there is one.

    The reason I suggest it is that it's really easy for anyone to learn how to rappel at any climbing gym and the equipment is cheap. Plus more than one person can descend a rope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aardvark154 View Post
    Pure oxygen is going to get you into trouble. A SCBA is about $365 But most people would go their entire lives, perhaps four or more generations without ever using it
    Would something like this work in a fire ?? Or do you need an oxygen bottle??


  4. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil C. McNasty View Post
    Would something like this work in a fire ?? Or do you need an oxygen bottle??

    An independent air supply is the way to go. If I remember correctly, filters don't work on carbon monoxide.

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    Phil, firefighters use SCBA units all of which have an air supply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuji View Post
    A parachute is extremely dangerous in a building fire, there will be significant, violent thermals from the heat of the fire that will make your odds of a successful jump low in what was already a dangerous thing to do
    So once again fuji is wrong: http://www.sosparachute.com/en/site/sos

    I lost count how many times he's been wrong now, but its a lot


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil C. McNasty View Post
    So once again fuji is wrong: http://www.sosparachute.com/en/site/sos

    I lost count how many times he's been wrong now, but its a lot

    I'm not so sure Fuji is wrong. Needless to say sosparachute is going to say it is a great product and it is at least a chance, but is the parachute fire resistant or fireproof? If it wasn't you would't have survived this fire.

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    This contraption is even better because it can save multiple people:

    http://www.escape-chute.net/neu/uk/s...equipement.php


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    I just don't see how effective these parachuting and repelling devices would have been in this fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aardvark154 View Post
    I just don't see how effective these parachuting and repelling devices would have been in this fire
    Probably not very. But I'd say your survival odds are at least a bit better with a chute then without one.

    If I were PM I'd make it mandatory that every apt. building in Canada was outfitted with an escape chute

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil C. McNasty View Post
    So once again fuji is wrong: http://www.sosparachute.com/en/site/sos

    I lost count how many times he's been wrong now, but its a lot

    Reread what I wrote. In a major fire there will be significant, violent thermals pulling air into and up the building. Base jumping is dangerous even for trained base jumpers under good conditions and the fire will mean jumping in the WORST POSSIBLE conditions.

    Your best bet is the stairwell. A rope and belay night then be useful to bypass some floors where the stairwell is inaccessible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil C. McNasty View Post
    This contraption is even better because it can save multiple people:

    http://www.escape-chute.net/neu/uk/s...equipement.php

    That's better so long as you are within eighty meters of the ground. The building also had to install it, it's not something you can put in your desk drawer. The idea of the climbing rope is that you can buy it at mountain coop and stuff it in a drawer.

    If the building is going to install something for you this kind of device, while much more expensive than a rope, is much better.

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