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In "Watershed Moment" Merkel Says Germany Can No Longer Rely On America



by Tyler Durden
May 28, 2017 11:27 AM

One day after Donald Trump infuriated Angela Merkel and the rest of his G-7 peers, when the US president refused to endorse the Paris climate treaty, prompting the German chancellor to say** that “the whole discussion about climate has been difficult, or rather very unsatisfactory... here we have the situation that six members, or even seven if you want to add the EU, stand against one", Germany's prime minister made what many have dubbed, an "era-defining" statement.
Speaking at a CDU election rally in Munich, Merkel said that Europe "must take its fate into its own hands" or as the AFP put it, "Merkel warns US, Britain no longer reliable partners."

Faced with a western alliance divided by Brexit and Donald Trump's presidency, Merkel said "die zeiten, in denen wir uns auf andere völlig verlassen konnten, sind ein Stück vorbei", or loosely translated "the times in which we could completely depend on others are on the way out" and added that "I've experienced that in the last few days."

Merkel then said that while Germany and Europe would strive to remain on good terms with America and Britain, "we have to fight for our own destiny" and she also said that special emphasis was needed on warm relations between Berlin and newly-elected French President Emmanuel Macron.
Her comments came after Trump said during the G-7 meeting he needed more time to decide if the US would continue backing the Paris climate deal, which has frustrated European diplomats. A subseqent report by Axios, Trump privately told multiple people, including EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt, that "he plans to leave the Paris agreement on climate change" which will likely further infurate his European allies.


During his trip, Trump also echoed his past criticism of NATO allies for failing to meet the defensive alliance's military spending commitment of two percent of GDP.


Observers noted that he neglected to publicly endorse the pact's Article Five, which guarantees that member countries will aid the others they are attacked. The omission was especially striking as he unveiled a memorial to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks against the US, the only time the mutual defense clause has been triggered.
On Friday, Trump also described German trade practices as "bad, very bad," in Brussels talks last week, complaining that Europe's largest economy sells too many cars to the US.
 

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Of course you could put Chancelor Merkel's remarks into the mouths of Prime Minister May or President Trump. However, in that case you would doubtless be critical of their remarks.

Further there is a certain irony to Chancelor Merkel's remarks for if she truly believes that Germany can no longer completely depend on others, presumably Germany will have to raise Defence Spending, which of course is one of the sources of the friction leading to the Chancelor's remarks.
 

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Of course you could put Chancelor Merkel's remarks into the mouths of Prime Minister May or President Trump. However, in that case you would doubtless be critical of their remarks.

Further there is a certain irony to Chancelor Merkel's remarks for if she truly believes that Germany can no longer completely depend on others, presumably Germany will have to raise Defence Spending, which of course is one of the sources of the friction leading to the Chancelor's remarks.
You are so blinded by your partisanship that you cannot see the importance of a big rift opening up between continental Europe and US/UK. Take off you blinders, and face reality. It is important.

Harping on the military spending is ridiculous; Nobody in Europe takes this issue seriously, except maybe Lituania and Rumania. They are laughing at the request for Germany to increase military spending.

The more important reason for the rift is 1) Trumps support for Brexit, 2) Trumps comments about german cars, and 3) US reneging on its commitment to the Paris accord. The latter was the main reason for Merkel's fury.
 

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You are so blinded by your partisanship that you cannot see the importance of a big rift opening up between continental Europe and US/UK. Take off you blinders, and face reality. It is important.

Harping on the military spending is ridiculous; Nobody in Europe takes this issue seriously, except maybe Lituania and Rumania. They are laughing at the request for Germany to increase military spending.

The more important reason for the rift is 1) Trumps support for Brexit, 2) Trumps comments about german cars, and 3) US reneging on its commitment to the Paris accord. The latter was the main reason for Merkel's fury.
Obama will fix it (seems he's forgotten he's not POTUS anymore) he met with Merkel the same day as the G7 meeting. The globalists stick together.
 

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Good. Time for the Germans to stand of their own two feet. Just don't be digging out the Shlieffen Plan.
 

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Of course you could put Chancelor Merkel's remarks into the mouths of Prime Minister May or President Trump. However, in that case you would doubtless be critical of their remarks.

Further there is a certain irony to Chancelor Merkel's remarks for if she truly believes that Germany can no longer completely depend on others, presumably Germany will have to raise Defence Spending, which of course is one of the sources of the friction leading to the Chancelor's remarks.
It's the US that should spend less.
 

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Oddly this is exactly what Trump is trying to do, kick the millennial like Euros our of our basement so they can start supporting themselves.

Mission accomplished.
 

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It's the US that should spend less.
But with the comments posted here about Russia, how is that going to work? Seemingly there are a lot of people not only in Congress but on TERB who would not be unhappy to restart the Cold War.
 
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Oddly this is exactly what Trump is trying to do, kick the millennial like Euros our of our basement so they can start supporting themselves.

Mission accomplished.
Methink it is the opposite. The US is living on large deficits, Germany is supporting herself.
 

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Methink it is the opposite. The US is living on large deficits, Germany is supporting herself.
Now of course ironically this is because Germany is in part relying on the U.S. to pay costs that should be paid by Germany.

Now I know in your strange view of the world NATO can disarm because Russia under Putin poses absolutely no threat to anyone.
 

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It's the US that should spend less.
Are you oblivious as to what is happening around the world. The ME and North Africa is a powderkeg while North Korea, Iran and Russia are acting like pariahs How is spending less the solution?
 

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She finally figured it out.
 

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Germany has an adult in charge.
 

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But with the comments posted here about Russia, how is that going to work? Seemingly there are a lot of people not only in Congress but on TERB who would not be unhappy to restart the Cold War.
The US isn't going to war with Russia and if it did all the budget in the world wouldn't avoid nuclear winter.

You could cut the budget to a third of what it is today and it'd be more than enough to deter Russia.

Intelligence on the other hand needs more money. While there isn't going to be a war there sure is espionage.

So cut the military to a third of what it is, give one third to the intelligence agencies, and the remaining third back to taxpayers.
 

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Are you oblivious as to what is happening around the world. The ME and North Africa is a powderkeg while North Korea, Iran and Russia are acting like pariahs How is spending less the solution?
Bbecause the current level of spending is at least three times more than is necessary to deal with that stuff.
 

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Trump has done for Russia what Putin could not - split the alliance between Germany and USA.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-nato-germany/528429/
Trump's Trip Was a Catastrophe for U.S.-Europe Relations
Angela Merkel has served formal notice that she will lead the German wandering away from the American alliance.
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Here’s what’s really true: Donald Trump is doing damage to the deepest and most broadly agreed foreign-policy interests of the United States. He is doing so while people associated with his campaign are under suspicion of colluding with Vladimir Putin’s spy agencies to bring him to office. The situation is both ugly and dangerous.
 

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Trump has done for Russia what Putin could not - split the alliance between Germany and USA.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-nato-germany/528429/
Matt......you are being a wee bit dishonest with your quote, the content of the link and your own conclusion.

For those interested by the way it's a great article but I will summarize.

The Article in fact goes into much greater detail about the steady decline of Germany's want and need to be in NATO. It starts in the 80's with the mass protests there against Nukes being placed. Adds in the Pride of unification. Touches on the Yugoslavia breakup and germany's reaction. The Refusal to join in the Iraq War. And how when Obama got in in 2008 approval rating were at 76% for the USA and plummeted to 36% by 2014. Partly due to the phone hacking scandal.

In other words it gives a fair and balanced view of how German ambition coupled with USA self interest have caused the two nations to drift away over the last 25 years under 5 previous presidents of all stripes.

Trump didn't start this. He just accelerated the inevitable.

And as for my opinion on this......

It is I believe another continuation of nations wanting to take back their foreign policy decision making capability from corporations and multilateral deals. In this case Germany wants to be a dominant voice in Europe again. And it can't do that as long as the Americans are around now can it?
 
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