The Next PM of Canada

It remains to be seen.

The one positive that the Conservatives have is Stephen Harper was an infinitely better PM than Brian Mulroney. It shouldn't take them 12 years to regain power. The troubling part is that the social conservatives voted for Scheer en masse over the centrist Bernier. Should he come to power, Scheer will need to reward them in some way. Before they can get a sniff at Federal power the Cons will need to take Ontario first. Considering how incompetent Premier Wynne is, it will be considered a disaster if they don't.

anon1 said:

Who?

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He's well spoken and pragmatic, but he's also a staunch social conservative who is anti abortion, opposed gay rights, and in terms of terb, likely supports strengthening c36 and cracking down on you.

However he's also pragmatic so for example he dropped his opposition to gay marriage when he realized it was a vote loser.

But expect him to push Canada towards the social dark ages in whatever way he can if he gets elected. Much more so than Harper.

Sheer wins with 50.95%
Bernier 49.05%

By the narrowest of margins. Not very convincing.

Tories pledge nudity after narrow upset.

SkyRider said:

Trudeau had 2 years to reverse C-36. Doing nothing is condoning C-36.

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Are you doing anything more than complaining on the interwebs?
Did you petition Trudeau on this issue? As a self-described feminist he's not going to do anything regarding the sale of sexual services and exploitation of women without very compelling reasons (and maybe lobbying $$$). I suggest you get yourself arrested for paying a consenting adult for sex and then argue in court that C-36 is a violation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

But more seriously I suggest waiting to see how Trudeau's form of cannabis legalisation is implemented before even considering moving on prostitution laws. Because whenever the Canadian government (whether Lib Con NDP or Bloc) gets involved, we usually end up with severe over-regulation.

I figured Bernier would win and know nothing about Scheer. The next federal election seems to be Trudeau's to lose. He needs to make some good moves to get enough voters motivated to want to keep him and the Libs in power.

fuji said:

He's well spoken and pragmatic, but he's also a staunch social conservative who is anti abortion, opposed gay rights, and in terms of terb, likely supports strengthening c36 and cracking down on you.

However he's also pragmatic so for example he dropped his opposition to gay marriage when he realized it was a vote loser.

But expect him to push Canada towards the social dark ages in whatever way he can if he gets elected. Much more so than Harper.

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Scheer has already stated the Cons will not revisit the abortion issue.

FAST said:

The party that was put in a position to actually make a decision,...and did,...right or not to your liking,...contrary to the non or ridiculous decision making Loony Left,...and their non productive followers.

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Mush. Try simple English.

SkyRider said:

Trudeau had 2 years to reverse C-36. Doing nothing is condoning C-36.

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Or having other things to do. By your logic Harper, who had almost a decade before he did anything (and got it wrong when he did) is even more to be condemned.

fuji said:

He's well spoken and pragmatic, but he's also a staunch social conservative who is anti abortion, opposed gay rights, and in terms of terb, likely supports strengthening c36 and cracking down on you.

However he's also pragmatic so for example he dropped his opposition to gay marriage when he realized it was a vote loser.

But expect him to push Canada towards the social dark ages in whatever way he can if he gets elected. Much more so than Harper.

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He was also Speaker of the Commons in the last Parliament, which means he was able to earn, and keep at least some respect from all sides of the House and all varieties of opinions, in his own party and beyond. That's not to say he had no missteps and no critics there, but those qualities are how he was able to keep gathering support from those whose first choices were other candidates, as the less-popular names fell off the ballot, one by one. Bernier surgeded early, but after that he failed to grow much beyond his committed, partisan base.

What was interesting was the speculation that Lisa Raitt was a widespread second choice on many ballots, but because she had so few first-choice votes, and was eliminated in the early rounds, there was no way for her to use that strong support. And only the ballot-counters would know if the speculation was true. The selection of everyone's third or fourth choice is very reminiscent of how Dalton won the Ontario Liberal leadership.

oldjones said:

He was also Speker of the Commons in the last Parliament, which means he was able to get and keep at least some respect from all sides of the House and all varieties of opinions in his own party and beyond. That's not to say he ad no mis-steps and no critics, but it is how he was able to keep gathering support from those whose first choices were other candidates, as one by one the less-popular names fell off the ballot. Bernier peaked early but then failed to grow much beyond his committed, partisan base.

What was interesting was the speculation that Lisa Raitt was a widespread second choice on many ballots, but because she came last in the early rounds, there was no way for her to use that strong support. And only the ballot-counters would know if the speculation was true. The selection of everyone's third or fourth choice is very reminiscent of how Dalton won the Ontario Liberal leadership.

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He was a good Speaker. That can't be denied.

it seems he is committed to not allowing personal views to cloud things when it comes to party policy.

He has clearly stated they will not open the debate on Abortion and Same Sex Marriage. And that he only wants to make sure of good checks and balances on Assisted Suicide.

He even commented on Marijuana legalization, that he wouldn't reverse any laws on this either.

I have no doubt the Opposition parties will try to paint him otherwise. But from his clear statements that could backfire.

Anyway he has lots of time now to set the tone for 2019.

By definition

fuji said:

It was better without a decision on this topic.

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NOT making a decision,...is what defines the Looney Left.

Butler1000 said:

He was a good Speaker. That can't be denied.

it seems he is committed to not allowing personal views to cloud things when it comes to party policy.

He has clearly stated they will not open the debate on Abortion and Same Sex Marriage. And that he only wants to make sure of good checks and balances on Assisted Suicide.

He even commented on Marijuana legalization, that he wouldn't reverse any laws on this either.

I have no doubt the Opposition parties will try to paint him otherwise. But from his clear statements that could backfire.

Anyway he has lots of time now to set the tone for 2019.

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We've heard that story before. That's exactly what everyone said about Harper when he was elected, that despite personally being a social conservative he had pledged not to bring up this or that issue. And he didn't.

Instead we got c36.

Social conservativism is pernicious and he'll find a way to screw us over on some issue or other, just like Harper.

polisci said:

Sheer wins with 50.95%
Bernier 49.05%

By the narrowest of margins. Not very convincing.

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More like a sheer waste of time. Excuse the pun. Thankfully, Leitch got only 7% of the votes counted. She ran on a Trump populism that the Americans bought, that did not reflect on the Canadian side of the equation.

Really, that 7% must have included the alt right nutcases on this board. For some reason they think that Trump has invigorated the Canadians into the alt right narrow train of anti-immigrant / Muslim thought. It seems that Sheer will mirror Harpers policies, that were put to rest in the last election.

I'd have preferred Maxime Bernier but what is done is done.

Aardvark154 said:

I'd have preferred Maxime Bernier but what is done is done.

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With a margin of only .05% and that from 5th, 6th, seventh and later choices, I think 'done' is that last thing that can — or should be — said about the result.

Clearly Scheer's real campaign should already be underway and gathering steam.

oldjones said:

With a margin of only .05% and that from 5th, 6th, seventh and later choices, I think 'done' is that last thing that can — or should be — said about the result.

Clearly Scheer's real campaign should already be underway and gathering steam.

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To be fair, they have a few years. Scheer holds​ pernicious social conservative views but he's also pragmatic. We'll need to see whether his pernicious views translate into pernicious policies or whether he can muzzle himself.

fuji said:

To be fair, they have a few years. Scheer holds​ pernicious social conservative views but he's also pragmatic. We'll need to see whether his pernicious views translate into pernicious policies or whether he can muzzle himself.

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Judging from the first interview I saw on CBC he can. They went right for the social issue questions and he didn't waiver in the message.

bver_hunter said:

More like a sheer waste of time. Excuse the pun. Thankfully, Leitch got only 7% of the votes counted. She ran on a Trump populism that the Americans bought, that did not reflect on the Canadian side of the equation.

Really, that 7% must have included the alt right nutcases on this board. For some reason they think that Trump has invigorated the Canadians into the alt right narrow train of anti-immigrant / Muslim thought. It seems that Sheer will mirror Harpers policies, that were put to rest in the last election.

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Actually the coronation of the Democrats was a waste of time and money. This allowed time for the party to discuss the issues. And in the end it came down to two experienced MP's with an economic message first. Differing. Bernier was more Libertarian in his. But similar enough. And you aren't spying attention if you think Leitch was the worst of the lot. Far worse then that tried and failed.

Which says a lot. That small vocal outlier social conservative type will remain so.

What the Liberal backers should now be worried about are the broken promises of the Liberals. They will lose all the Greens and NDPER's over Election Reform. And several soft Conservatives over the extreme deficit spending. Which may well be enough to send them at least into Minority gov't. If not defeat.

Part of what Scheer discussed was reaching urban voters. And with 270,000 members now and a huge war chest things are about to get a whole lot tougher. Especially when the Dippers get their leader in the fall.

The Honeymoon is over.