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23 million will lose insurance by 2026 under Trumpcare, CBO says

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23 million will lose insurance by 2026 under Trumpcare, CBO says

By Alex Thompson on May 24, 2017

President Trump’s proposed repeal and replace of Obamacare would result in 23 million fewer people having health insurance by 2026, according to a new analysis released Wednesday evening by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

In its first analysis of the bill that Republicans in the House of Representatives passed in early May, the CBO concluded that out-of-pocket costs for mental health and maternity care would increase by thousands of dollars a year in many states. The CBO predicted that the health bill would create government savings of $119 billion over the next 10 years.

Out-of-pocket costs to Americans would depend on which states chose to request a waiver from Obamacare’s “Essential Health Benefits,” a package of coverage requirements including maternity and substance abuse care that conservatives argue artificially inflate insurance costs and Democrats believe prevent insurance companies from peddling skimpy plans.

The waivers are the central difference between this version of Trumpcare and the version that failed to pass the House in March, which the CBO predicted would result in 24 million fewer people having health insurance.

House Republicans argued that the two versions were not that different, which is why they decided to vote without a CBO score. While the topline numbers are similar — 23 million vs. 24 million — the report suggests that the new bill would make some dramatic changes in the insurance market.

The CBO posits that at least one-sixth of the population — over 50 million people — could be dramatically affected by these new waivers and be subjected to “unstable” insurance markets beginning in 2020.

Such changes could significantly increase costs for people with pre-existing conditions and ultimately price them out of the insurance markets. The CBO also predicts that premiums for young, healthy people would go down but significantly increase for older, sicker people.

The bill that failed in March also included $150 billion in savings, $31 billion more than this iteration. Maintaining billions in savings was required in order to pass the bill through the Senate’s reconciliation rules — which will allow Republicans to pass Trumpcare without any votes from Democrats. House Speaker Paul Ryan had put off sending the bill to the Senate until it was clear that the new bill still included sufficient savings.

Next, the Senate Parliamentarian — an obscure unelected official who is the keeper of the legislative body’s rules — will have to determine if the bill will qualify for reconciliation.

Senate Republicans were quick to downplay the significance of the new CBO score, saying they’re walking their own path on health reform and many changes will still be made.

“This is not a finished journey,” Sen. James Lankford of Oklahoma told MSNBC. Many other Republicans, like Rob Portman of Ohio and Shelly Moore Capito of West Virginia, have already publicly objected to the $800 billion decrease in Medicaid spending.

Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said the CBO report is evidence that Senate Republicans should throw the House bill in the garbage and work with Democrats on a reform bill. But Democrats, including Schumer, were rallying across the country to protect Obamacare before Trump was inaugurated, so it’s unclear if there is common ground.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell seems to think so, telling reporters yesterday, “We’re not going to waste our time talking to people who have no interest in fixing the problem.”

https://news.vice.com/story/23-million-will-lose-insurance-by-2026-under-trumpcare-cbo-says
 

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They need to appeal direct to President Trump who campaigned on replacing Obamacare with better coverage for more people at lower costs, something like Canada's universal single-payer system. He'll soon sort out his Republican buddies' misconceptions.
 

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They need to appeal direct to President Trump who campaigned on replacing Obamacare with better coverage for more people at lower costs, something like Canada's universal single-payer system. He'll soon sort out his Republican buddies' misconceptions.
The U.S. may well in fact end up there.
 

Aardvark154

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Two points:

It is highly unlikely that the Bill passed by the House of Representatives will ever become law.

The CBO is infamous for analysis which turn out to have been wildly inaccurate.
 

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Two points:

It is highly unlikely that the Bill passed by the House of Representatives will ever become law.

The CBO is infamous for analysis which turn out to have been wildly inaccurate.
How does one judge the accuracy of analyses of bills that don't become law? Or of analyses of the largely different bills that do?
 

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Obama care needs to go for the simple reason at its core they are trying to force private business to offer a socialist product. And force the people to accept it.

Obviously I prefer a socialist model for health care as I see it as a human right and not a place for profit generation. But this half assed Frankenstein was just a temporary stop gap.

What needs to happen is to repeal the law and then gradually raise the income and social circumstances that qualify people for medicaid. Then write a law forcing health care services to accept any patient on it and finally offer only stand fees for those services.

As you raise the bar and add people to it it allows the market to adjust without millions being affected overnight from a business standpoint. And the most vulnerable get on it.

As for paying for it I think the military budget can afford a small cut. And a payroll tax to help as well.
 

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How does one judge the accuracy of analyses of bills that don't become law? Or of analyses of the largely different bills that do?
The first republican attempt would lose 24 million insured. This attempt will lose 23 million insured.
It does not take a genius to figure out what the Republicans will accomplish.
 

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How does one judge the accuracy of analyses of bills that don't become law? Or of analyses of the largely different bills that do?
The CBO is non-partisan and is charged with scoring proposed legislation. Its score can then be measured against the effects of legislation which is actually passed. Although they are certainly not perfect their overall record is pretty good. A lot of the errors can be attributed to the fact that most legislation is changed between the time it is scored and passed. When Obamacare was going through the process the GOP was screaming to wait for the CBO score etc. Of course now all they do is point to its unreliability.
 

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The CBO is . . . certainly not perfect their overall record is pretty good. A lot of the errors can be attributed to the fact that most legislation is changed between the time it is scored and passed.
Respectfully the CBO gets it wrong at significant amount of the time roughly 60 percent close to correct and 40 percent just plain wrong.
 

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Respectfully the CBO gets it wrong at significant amount of the time roughly 60 percent close to correct and 40 percent just plain wrong.
Not sure where your statistic is from but assuming it is correct given the complexity of most bills and the fact that the CBO does not necessarily see them in final form I would say %60% is pretty good. It is only intended to be a score not a definitive analysis.
 

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Ah, but a major problem is that it is indeed treated by those who oppose any piece of legislation as a definite analysis. Just look at this thread.
The fact is that the republicans want to reduce Medicare and thus will create many millions of uninsured at risk americans. It may not be 23 million, but it will be a hellofalot.
 

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The first republican attempt would lose 24 million insured. This attempt will lose 23 million insured.
It does not take a genius to figure out what the Republicans will accomplish.
And many still can't afford it. So in essence they are forcing people to pay one insurance company(as there is no choice in many places). And at very large rates.

The private system need to be eliminated. But in some ways this is worse because you are fining people for being only somewhat poor.
 

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As already posted:

a) the Bill passed by the House is not going to become law.
b) some sort of compromise will I believe eventually become law
c) in the end there is likely to be some sort of national health insurance plan -- whether that is a system such as Switzerland's or something more like Australia's remains to be seen.
 

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As already posted:

a) the Bill passed by the House is not going to become law.
b) some sort of compromise will I believe eventually become law
c) in the end there is likely to be some sort of national health insurance plan -- whether that is a system such as Switzerland's or something more like Australia's remains to be seen.
My guess is that the plan will be a version of Obamacare with the most at risk people standing outside the door. I would expect 15-20 million uninsured.


I remember the debate where all 15 republican candidates (with the exception of Trump) to great applause stated that people who had not bought health insurance should be left to die.
 

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I remember the debate where all 15 republican candidates (with the exception of Trump) to great applause stated that people who had not bought health insurance should be left to die.
You do? Which debate was that?

Further the issue is affordability more than anything. If you have a plan where you don't qualify for a subsidy, the deductible is over $2,000 -- but you qualify for all the benefits of the ACA -- what kind of health insurance is that --- don't eat or have health insurance which to all intents and purposes other than avoiding tax penalties isn't health insurance at all.

Don't say this isn't possible, I can cite you chapter and verse.
 

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23million to be uninsured.

Millions unable to afford insurance.

Massive transfer of wealth to wealthy, insurers, corporations.

Not an insurance plan at all, but a thinly veiled ruse as the first step to an even greater transfer of wealth to the wealthy and corporations within the proposed new tax regime.
 
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