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'The worst scenario': What if Canada's real estate bubble bursts?

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'The worst scenario': What if Canada's real estate bubble bursts?

A repeat of Toronto's 1989 crash could have devastating effects on the entire economy

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Peter Armstrong · Host, On the Money on CBC News Network · CBC News

May 16, 2017

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Builders work on a new home in North Vancouver in 2016. The average home price in Canada climbed by 10 per cent to $559,317 in April, the Canadian Real Estate Association says. (Canadian Press)

It's the question lingering behind every headline. It's whispered among homeowners, would-be buyers and sellers, economists and policy-makers. What actually happens if Canadian real estate prices crash?

On the one hand, a crash might be good for some Canadians already priced out of the market. And even a dramatic 40 per cent drop in prices would set homeowners in markets like Toronto or Vancouver back, what, two or three years?

But there are broader concerns for the market and the economy itself that could prove devastating.

Home prices are notoriously off the charts. Everyone from the governor of the Bank of Canada to the chatty guy in your local cafe has said, repeatedly, that this increase in prices is not sustainable. But what that means, precisely, is vague.

The latest numbers from the Canadian Real Estate Association show the average home price in Canada climbed by 10 per cent to $559,317 in April. Notably, the number of sales in Toronto's red-hot market fell by almost seven per cent but prices continued to rise.

No one is saying the end is nigh. Most are still banking on that ambiguous "soft landing" policy-makers have talked about for years. But, for the sake of argument and for a better understanding of the risks, let's talk about what a real crash would look like.

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First of all, what is a real crash? Think Toronto in 1989. Prices fell off a cliff. The average cost of a home in Toronto hit a whopping $273,698, a 30-year high. Then the bottom fell out.

By 1996, that average had fallen to $198,150. (Yes, you read that right, you could buy a home in Toronto for a mere fraction of the $920,000 it costs today.)

Like then, some owners would be largely unaffected by a crash today. Someone who isn't going to move and has a lot of equity in the house would be set back, but given the enormous increase in house prices (33 per cent in 2016), they would have something of a cushion.

But housing isn't just about prices. And that's never more evident than during a downturn.

"I think the most important thing is the impact on the composition of economic growth," says Karl Schamotta, director at Cambridge Global Payments. He says for 17 years, Canadian real estate, retail finance and construction sectors have significantly outpaced the rest of the economy. That cycle has fed on itself.

"Rising loan volumes and attractive spreads have bolstered the finance sector. Driven by more lending, home prices have risen, allowing households to borrow more money and spend more in the retail sector," says Schamotta.

Were that cycle to stop or suddenly slow, the impact would stretch far beyond Toronto's overheated housing circus.

Hurting the entire economy

Joblessness would spike, and it would be made worse by people's reluctance to move for work because they are tied to monster mortgages for homes worth less than they paid, Schamotta says.

That would be bad for productivity, but it would also make Canada's entire economy less able to react to global changes. And the loonie would likely fall, too, hurting imports while boosting exports.

And even those homeowners who have equity in their homes and don't plan on leaving wouldn't be immune.

Toronto Bubble

Benjamin Tal, deputy chief economist at CIBC World Markets, says the important question isn't how far prices would fall, but why they fell in the first place. If prices fell because Toronto's well established supply issue was sorted out, that could actually prove positive for the economy.

But if they fell as a result of a quick rise in interest rates, as happened in the United States in 2006, the impact could be severe.

"The higher interest rate environment would lead to a significant increase in debt financing as opposed to other spending," says Tal. That would require people to spend more covering their mortgage and leave them with less to spend elsewhere in the economy.

"Then you get into a consumer-led recession. And this would lead to increased unemployment and people defaulting and continued decline in prices. That's the worst scenario."

A cascading correction?

The wealth effect is an economic theory that for every increase in wealth there's a disproportionate increase in spending. In housing terms, that means that for every one per cent increase in prices, we usually see spending go up about five per cent. Tal says the reverse is also true, that for every one per cent fall in prices, people spend disproportionately less.

Based on this theory, it's not hard to see why a double-digit correction in prices could cascade through other parts of the economy, "and that can feed on itself," says Tal.

On the upside, just about everyone agrees that nightmare scenario is still unlikely. Prices are slowing in Toronto and Vancouver. And Tal says one big difference between today's situation and the U.S. housing crash is that everyone in this country is trying to slow down the market.

"It's banks, even developers, clearly policy-makers. You don't have the situation where banks are seeing green and trying to maximize profits. In fact they are really trying to slow it down. Regulators are trying to slow it down and more is coming."

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/business/peter-armstrong-housing-bubble-crash-1.4115628
 

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Land based real estate at worse will level off. But demand is still high for it. Some are dropping out due to price but way too many would still buy for it to actually drop.

I'm not sure how much occupancy is up or down in condos and how many more are in the pipeline to judge that market. But considering we continue to grow by over 100,000 per year I expect it to be ok as well. They have to live somewhere. And we are still a good investment market due to stability.

It isn't the same as the last bubble because there was still lots of land available to build on so supply could exceed demand. Add in high interest rates and a recession that was pretty bad and that's why it occurred then.
 

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If home prices drop because of a rise in interest rates, it would not help the cash flow of buyers who need to borrow to buy. It's like a seesaw, price goes down and mortgage payments go up. Net cash flow effect for the buyer is flat or virtually flat.
 
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If the housing market collapse, new home buyers will be fucked cause they will end up owing more money than what their house is worth.
 

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Just finished watching The Big Short on Netflix the other day about the '08 subprime fiasco. It is quite technical and played up for entertainment purposes, but the reality was so scary where you had so many people totally oblivious to the imminent crash.
 

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If the housing market collapse, new home buyers will be fucked cause they will end up owing more money than what their house is worth.
A lot of people have no idea how quickly this can happen. In the US, people tried to sell because they couldn't afford the mortgage but it became wide spread and as the market flooded, the price of houses tanked so entire neighbourhoods looked like ghost towns because people abandoned their houses.
 

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Only those people that are flipping houses; buying and selling for profits need to worry

The market value of your house is only relevant the moment you want to sell it. So owing more money that the house is worth just simply means you won't want to sell it until price stabilizes
 

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Only those people that are flipping houses; buying and selling for profits need to worry

The market value of your house is only relevant the moment you want to sell it. So owing more money that the house is worth just simply means you won't want to sell it until price stabilizes
This is more or less true. Frankly, the people flipping houses are the problem. How many people in younger generations are going without the mainstay of a home because other people are ratcheting up the price to make a buck? I don't believe homes should be treated as solely investments; or if they are, there should be serious fees associated.
 

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A 10 to 15 % correction will bring us recession.

15 --- 30%: Stock market crash.

30 --- 60%: Bank run and mass suicide.

70%+ : Cannibalism.
 

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This is more or less true. Frankly, the people flipping houses are the problem. How many people in younger generations are going without the mainstay of a home because other people are ratcheting up the price to make a buck? I don't believe homes should be treated as solely investments; or if they are, there should be serious fees associated.
I agree ; I really don't give a f*&ck for those speculators that are going to lose money
 

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A market correction will happen in my opinion. It's not a matter of if, but when
 

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This is more or less true. Frankly, the people flipping houses are the problem. How many people in younger generations are going without the mainstay of a home because other people are ratcheting up the price to make a buck? I don't believe homes should be treated as solely investments; or if they are, there should be serious fees associated.
Sale of an investment property that is not your principal residence is considered business income and is taxed at 100%. Naturally, people "fudge" their income or downright lie by stating the sale of the house is a capital gain.

http://business.financialpost.com/p...houses-expect-to-face-100-tax-on-your-profits
 

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A lot of people have no idea how quickly this can happen. In the US, people tried to sell because they couldn't afford the mortgage but it became wide spread and as the market flooded, the price of houses tanked so entire neighbourhoods looked like ghost towns because people abandoned their houses.
In most of Canada mortgages are recourse loans. So if your house is under water in terms of its current value, the bank can come after your other assets and earning to obtain any outstanding amount. In the US people just gave the keys to their now mostly worthless home and the banks couldn't do anything else. That's why so many neighbourhoods quickly turned into ghost towns. It was made worse since the mortgages had been repacked and sold as financial instruments so it wasn't clear who owned the mortgage and now the resulting home. So you couldn't even quickly sell the home at a partial loss.
 

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Vancouver might give us clues as to what awaits. Thus far there has been a slow down but not a crash (in a city that is more expensive and thought to be under the influence of more foreign money than Toronto). Prices are still ticking up but supply of detached homes is growing. In fact, in Vancouver there are more detached homes for sale than condos:
https://betterdwelling.com/city/van...tached-homes-for-sale-than-condos-last-month/

Similarly in Toronto, condo inventory is tight... probably because condos are the only affordable option for most buyers now.
 

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In most of Canada mortgages are recourse loans. So if your house is under water in terms of its current value, the bank can come after your other assets and earning to obtain any outstanding amount.
I think you're right. A mortgage is just another personal loan.

P.S. Mortgage rates have already rose 25-30 b.p. for not quite ready for prime time borrowers. This will probably soon flow to prime time borrowers as well.
 

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Because we havent had a recession since 2008, so we're due for one and when it happens it will drag the housing market down with it. Thats just my opinion however, I could be wrong

Anyone who thinks that it is not eventually going to happen is just too naive IMO.
The average house in TO just hitting 925k, completely ridiculous. Alberta's economy not being what it once was... Ottawa too is just insane. It can't be kept up. ***tick, tock, tick, tock....***
Agreed
 

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There're more than enough cases in the history that one can study and some of us lived through those also in the other part of the world.

The downturn in Japan esp Tokyo has been having a very long impact.

Take a look at the late '90s crash in Hong Kong, a lot to learn there.

Not to mention the US in '09.

Yep, a lot of people suffered. Some people suicide. Some people naively went in to the market when it's correcting thinking that's the bottom. Just like you don't know when the peak is, you NEVER know when it hits rock bottom.

However, in a grand scheme of things..... Life moves on!
 

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people been saying this shit for so long....

globalization has changed our country. As long as we keep bringing immigrants with deep pockets in, or those immigrants naive enough to think they can "work hard and make it in toronto", basically hamsters keeping the wheel spinning - there won't be a crash.
 
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