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Are we living in the stone age when it comes to religion?

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As you may or may not know, all religions are ancient manmade entities. Whether or not you believe in God, the religion that you practice was created without any consultation with God. Religion is purely a manmade construct composed of mythology which has no basis in reality.

Knowing the objective truth outlined above, why is making fun of the absurdity of certain religions, or certain aspects of certain religions such a taboo in the civilized western world in the year 2017? Think about it for a second, if you make fun of someone's beliefs in absolute nonsense, it is potentially a criminal offense in certain places in the western world. It's understandable why this would be a law in parts of the world that still actually are living in the stone age, but I thought we were supposed to be advanced and civilized in the west.

If you discriminate against someone based on characteristics that are out of their control, like race, nationality, gender, age, etc., it is completely understandable and expected for that behavior to be frowned upon and punished, but if you think someone else beliefs and ideologies are absurd, or in some cases downright dangerous to humanity, why is it frowned upon to criticize their beliefs?

Everyone can admit that there are dangerous ideologies and belief systems out there like Nazism, Communism, Socialism etc. If you disagree with certain ideologies it's okay if our civilized western society has deemed it appropriate, but when it comes to criticism of religious ideologies, it is deemed inappropriate, and in some cases illegal.

We really are still stuck in the stone age, and I'm certain that in 100 years or so, once religious criticism is widely accepted, or when western civilization has evolved beyond the need for ancient fairy tales altogether, humanity will look back at our society and laugh at how primitive we were.
 

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As you may or may not know, all religions are ancient manmade entities. Whether or not you believe in God, the religion that you practice was created without any consultation with God. Religion is purely a manmade construct composed of mythology which has no basis in reality.

Knowing the objective truth outlined above, why is making fun of the absurdity of certain religions, or certain aspects of certain religions such a taboo in the civilized western world in the year 2017? Think about it for a second, if you make fun of someone's beliefs in absolute nonsense, it is potentially a criminal offense in certain places in the western world. It's understandable why this would be a law in parts of the world that still actually are living in the stone age, but I thought we were supposed to be advanced and civilized in the west.

If you discriminate against someone based on characteristics that are out of their control, like race, nationality, gender, age, etc., it is completely understandable and expected for that behavior to be frowned upon and punished, but if you think someone else beliefs and ideologies are absurd, or in some cases downright dangerous to humanity, why is it frowned upon to criticize their beliefs?

Everyone can admit that there are dangerous ideologies and belief systems out there like Nazism, Communism, Socialism etc. If you disagree with certain ideologies it's okay if our civilized western society has deemed it appropriate, but when it comes to criticism of religious ideologies, it is deemed inappropriate, and in some cases illegal.

We really are still stuck in the stone age.
A good example is, when the owner of a property would a religious "law" forced them,...by the government,...stone age,...indeed.

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JamesDouglas

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A good example is, when the owner of a property would a religious "law" forced them,...by the government,...stone age,...indeed.

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Yes, the thread entitled "Ontario landlord must pay Muslim couple $12,000 for not removing shoes" was one of the inspirations for this thread. Completely absurd and mind boggling. How is it possible that our society is so advanced in some areas, yet so primitive in others?
 

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Yes, the thread entitled "Ontario landlord must pay Muslim couple $12,000 for not removing shoes" was one of the inspirations for this thread. Completely absurd and mind boggling. How is it possible that our society is so advanced in some areas, yet so primitive in others?
The offences would be just as real and the judgment as proper — though I'm another who boggles at the amount — if religion wasn't mentioned anywhere by anyone.

It's precisely because humans are stone-age about such stuff that we have especially powerful laws to allow people the religious belief of their choice and forbid interference with it. Anything less than strict tolerance makes for huge troubles on a stone age level of passion, stupidity and viciousness. I refer you to Mod42's sticky for non-religious, trivial example of the same unevolved behaviours. Religion infintely amplifies those tendencies of our lizard-brains, because the infinite is what it's about.

Advanced people understand that and leave the topic well enough alone, concentrating on education and good example to encourage such primitive stuff to wither away, unhelpful and unneeded. But let's agree to hang onto the music and art OK?

Better yet, plunge into the Sticky thread and ask those passionate folks why they'd rather fill pages calling each other liars, because it's some sort of mortal insult, rather than simply repost what they claim proves they spoke truth. They can put you in touch with the lizard-brain in 2017.
 

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To look forward to,...

Yes, the thread entitled "Ontario landlord must pay Muslim couple $12,000 for not removing shoes" was one of the inspirations for this thread. Completely absurd and mind boggling. How is it possible that our society is so advanced in some areas, yet so primitive in others?
The future,...

- You are not allowed to enter YOUR property on a Sunday,... as our religion states that is a day of rest.

- You are not allowed to enter YOUR property on a Saturday,... as our religions states that no business is allowed to take place on that day.

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We're just living in an insane time. I don't believe that 100 years from now religion will be relevant in any society, including current radicalized societies living under Shariah law.

Ancient manmade religious stories are being exposed for what they are, pure mythology. The younger generation seems to understand that concept and the institution of religion is slowly disappearing. In a few generations our civilized western society will no longer be stuck in the stone age because the insular environment required for religions to thrive no longer exists. We have the internet, globalization and the ability to share and gain knowledge from others. Accommodating people's insane, sometimes dangerous, ancient religious beliefs and demands will no longer be required. Ridicule of those fairytales will be accepted and commonplace.
 

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As you may or may not know, all religions are ancient manmade entities. Whether or not you believe in God, the religion that you practice was created without any consultation with God. Religion is purely a manmade construct composed of mythology which has no basis in reality.

Knowing the objective truth outlined above, why is making fun of the absurdity of certain religions, or certain aspects of certain religions such a taboo in the civilized western world in the year 2017? Think about it for a second, if you make fun of someone's beliefs in absolute nonsense, it is potentially a criminal offense in certain places in the western world. It's understandable why this would be a law in parts of the world that still actually are living in the stone age, but I thought we were supposed to be advanced and civilized in the west.

If you discriminate against someone based on characteristics that are out of their control, like race, nationality, gender, age, etc., it is completely understandable and expected for that behavior to be frowned upon and punished, but if you think someone else beliefs and ideologies are absurd, or in some cases downright dangerous to humanity, why is it frowned upon to criticize their beliefs?

Everyone can admit that there are dangerous ideologies and belief systems out there like Nazism, Communism, Socialism etc. If you disagree with certain ideologies it's okay if our civilized western society has deemed it appropriate, but when it comes to criticism of religious ideologies, it is deemed inappropriate, and in some cases illegal.

We really are still stuck in the stone age, and I'm certain that in 100 years or so, once religious criticism is widely accepted, or when western civilization has evolved beyond the need for ancient fairy tales altogether, humanity will look back at our society and laugh at how primitive we were.
You are trying to impose you athiest religion on others, a faith based set of beliefs that you hold. And yes, your athiest religion is based on faith since you have no objective reason to believe in it. You just believe.

Agnostics can claim to be objective.

Athiest religious bigots have been responsible for many mass killings in the name of their extremist religion. Cambodia killing fields, Stalinist purges, all justified in part by citing extremist athiest ideas.
 

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You are trying to impose you athiest religion on others, s faith based set of beliefs that you hold.
I don't recall James saying he is an atheist,...

I'm definatly not either.

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mandrill

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The future,...

- You are not allowed to enter YOUR property on a Sunday,... as our religion states that is a day of rest.

- You are not allowed to enter YOUR property on a Saturday,... as our religions states that no business is allowed to take place on that day.

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Quite the contrary. The Ontario Court of Appeal abolished mandatory religious holidays a couple of decades ago. You are now free to go to a bar on Sunday or meet clients at your office on Xmas Day.

Guessed you missed the memo on that one, huh?
 

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Nope,...try again.

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OP says: "Religion is purely a manmade construct composed of mythology which has no basis in reality." It infers that he is an atheist. Otherwise he would not have written that.
 

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As you may or may not know, all religions are ancient manmade entities. Whether or not you believe in God, the religion that you practice was created without any consultation with God. Religion is purely a manmade construct composed of mythology which has no basis in reality.

Knowing the objective truth outlined above, why is making fun of the absurdity of certain religions, or certain aspects of certain religions such a taboo in the civilized western world in the year 2017? Think about it for a second, if you make fun of someone's beliefs in absolute nonsense, it is potentially a criminal offense in certain places in the western world. It's understandable why this would be a law in parts of the world that still actually are living in the stone age, but I thought we were supposed to be advanced and civilized in the west.

If you discriminate against someone based on characteristics that are out of their control, like race, nationality, gender, age, etc., it is completely understandable and expected for that behavior to be frowned upon and punished, but if you think someone else beliefs and ideologies are absurd, or in some cases downright dangerous to humanity, why is it frowned upon to criticize their beliefs?

Everyone can admit that there are dangerous ideologies and belief systems out there like Nazism, Communism, Socialism etc. If you disagree with certain ideologies it's okay if our civilized western society has deemed it appropriate, but when it comes to criticism of religious ideologies, it is deemed inappropriate, and in some cases illegal.

We really are still stuck in the stone age, and I'm certain that in 100 years or so, once religious criticism is widely accepted, or when western civilization has evolved beyond the need for ancient fairy tales altogether, humanity will look back at our society and laugh at how primitive we were.
Basically what Fuji said. Your atheism is no more "provable" than Joe Blow's Protestantism or Mohamed Abdul's Islam.

As well, Western democracies are based on the notion of religious freedom. That means that Abdul, Sri and Joe get to believe whatever TF they want. They can do it in public. And they can make their kids attend the same place of worship. You can't stop them because there is a constitution that says you can't. Nor can you force them to do things that offend their religion, even if you think it's silly. It's how we roll in the modern Western democratic world.
 

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Wrong,...

OP says: "Religion is purely a manmade construct composed of mythology which has no basis in reality." It infers that he is an atheist. Otherwise he would not have written that.
OH,...so now atheism was INFERED,...not quite the same,...is it.

And for both of you,...atheism is NOT used by the government of Canada for people who do not believe in a god,...they are called "none believers",...so get your facts striaght before posting.

Calling some one could be taken as an insult,...but that's quite common among some here.

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JamesDouglas

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Oagre and Fuji, you are both wrong. I did not say that I was an Atheist.

I said: "Religion is purely a manmade construct composed of mythology which has no basis in reality." That's one of my main points that you both missed. Religion is a manmade construct that attempts to speak for God, when in reality, God had absolutely no say in any aspect of manmade religion. Religion is an attempt by man to create laws on behalf of God in order to control the gullible masses.

If someone wants to peacefully and quietly believe in, and be controlled by religious dogma that is their prerogative. I have no issues with that. It becomes a problem when they attempt to impose their dangerous mythology on others through violence, or by demanding ridiculous accommodations based on their fairytale texts.
 

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Quite the contrary. The Ontario Court of Appeal abolished mandatory religious holidays a couple of decades ago. You are now free to go to a bar on Sunday or meet clients at your office on Xmas Day.

Guessed you missed the memo on that one, huh?
My god,...we just went through a shit pile of posts stating that a religious law was used to make a SUDO legal decision,...now you are saying its selective.

You missed the whole point of my post,...I guess you missed something a little too complicated.


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Oagre and Fuji, you are both wrong. I did not say that I was an Atheist.

I said: "Religion is purely a manmade construct composed of mythology which has no basis in reality." That's one of my main points that you both missed. Religion is a manmade construct that attempts to speak for God, when in reality, God had absolutely no say in any aspect of manmade religion. Religion is an attempt by man to create laws on behalf of God in order to control the gullible masses.

If someone wants to peacefully and quietly believe in, and be controlled by religious dogma that is their prerogative. I have no issues with that. It becomes a problem when they attempt to impose their dangerous mythology on others through violence, or by demanding ridiculous accommodations based on their fairytale texts.
Only athiests believe religion is a man made construction with no basis in reality. Christians believe in the reality of Jesus Christ, Jews believe in the Word of God, Mormons and Muslims both believe that their texts are the word of God as well.

Your statement in post 1 to the contrary is YOUR FAITH BASED BELIEF and not objective. You are an athiest extremist trying to impose your religion on others.
 

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I also want to point out the commonality between those who believe in religion, and those who don't.

People who believe in and practice a particular religion know that 99.999% of current and past religions are manmade constructs composed of mythology which have no basis in reality. People who don't believe in and practice a particular religion know that 100% of current and past religions are manmade constructs composed of mythology which have no basis in reality.

So you see, the knowledge gap is slight, but at least 100% of humanity agrees on the objective fact that, at the very least, 99.999% of religions are manmade bullshit.
 

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I also want to point out the commonality between those who believe in religion, and those who don't.

People who believe in and practice a particular religion know that 99.999% of current and past religions are manmade constructs composed of mythology which have no basis in reality. People who don't believe in and practice a particular religion know that 100% of current and past religions are manmade constructs composed of mythology which have no basis in reality.

So you see, the knowledge gap is slight, but at least 100% of humanity agrees on the objective fact that, at the very least, 99.999% of religions are manmade bullshit.
You are a religious extremist on a crusade against other people's religion. Athiesm is a dangerous religion and athiest extremists​ have killed a lot of people in its name.
 
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