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frankcastle

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Again read my comment carefully... I said in schools. If this happens in catholic schools do you think they wouild take down Christian / catholic symbols. That is what I asked.

Any religion would never die out because people have different beliefs.
you specifically asked will christianity or catholicims will die out. it was your own words.
 

frankcastle

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I kind of understand why the parents are so mad ...
Even though it is a PUBLIC school . The definition of public school is State-funded provincial schools (which are Roman Catholic public schools), according to a google definition.

This is probably causing havoc because since they are allowing muslims to pray whenever they want in the school & that gives them special treatment. In Canada we have already agreed to some of their demands

1.) allowing muslim woman to wear the barka (full body coverage incuding hair and face ( excluding the eyes of course))
2.) allowing muslim woman to wear the hijab ( head cover/hair cover)
3.) They come to Canada for better jobs, education etc which we provide them
4.) We allow muslim organizations
5.) we have muslim restaurants (hilal / zabihah)
6.) We have religious temples for muslims to pray and practice their religion.
7.) we respect their religious practices/ dietary restrictions
8.) we have hilal meat available in almost every grocery store.

Those are eight things I was able to find on google that Canada already does for the muslim population of Canada.

While I am not condoning them ripping a holy book ( kuran) , since they allow this in public schools I cant help but wonder. How long until this is allowed in catholic schools?
And if , and its a really big if, it is allowed in catholic schools does that mean that catholic religious symbols will be taken down ? Will murals of our faith be painted over?

I'm on the fence here because I attended catholic schools all my life and relgion was important but it definetly wasn't the main thing we focused on. When I went to catholic schools in elementary they explained to us that their are many religions but because we were so young and in elementary the only one we really focused on was Catholicism and then as we entered grade 8 /9 we were introdcuded to more relgions. Finally in grade 12 I took a course called world relgions which was mandatory because of the catholic school system and it focused on every single religion from budhism to Sikhism as well as hindu, muslim ,protestant and atheist & Christianity.


I think the people could have reacted a little differently and it was definetly unacceptable.

Now heres a question for you fine gentleman. If we start giving into the demands of muslims now like we keep on doing how long before the muslim relgion / faith takes over Canada?
Would that mean Christianity/ catholicsm will die out?


I understand how that sounds and i apologize if i offend anybody in advance but one can only help but wonder?
this was the quote that i was responding to.

your list of 8 are protected by law so they are not accomodations

the idea that by allowing muslims to pray in school is going to cause the major religio to die is flawed logic.

it is called a slippery slope read about it.
 

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I know they are by laws! lol that's why I said accommodations that CANADA made for Muslim /Islamic people.

If there was no Muslim/ Islamic people in Ontario do you think those laws would be in effect right now? I do not think so.
I never said allowing Muslims to pray in school would cause Catholicism to die I just said that it could affect CHANGE in the schools.
For example a muslim going to a catholic school could find the symbol of jesus offensive, especially if they are praying in a classroom.

As for the slippery slope argument. Anything is possible. The government changes all the time as well as the laws, by laws, school curriculums , etc.



this was the quote that i was responding to.

your list of 8 are protected by law so they are not accomodations

the idea that by allowing muslims to pray in school is going to cause the major religio to die is flawed logic.

it is called a slippery slope read about it.
 

sweetiepieexo

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzAnnxpuls&feature=youtu.be


This is what I was talking about .... Students denied entry to computer lab for thirty minutes because of prayer time...
Students are feeling discriminated against. A student had her friend tell her " god doesn't love you , he only loves muslims. " When asked who told her that she said "my mom"
That kind of behaviour in Canada is unacceptable and goes against our Canadian values.

Canadians are turning a blind eye to Canadian values. Immigrants come to Canada so that their children can grow up and have better lives and not be discriminated against nor have their religion frowned upon. We are a democracy . No one religion should get special treatment, we are all supposed to be equal.

I'm sorry but in my eyes and I'm sure some will agree with me, If you are an immigrant and you come to Canada, you should abide by Canadian laws/ by laws and not try to change anything about our country.
 

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I think that would cause more outrage among parents considering Catholicism/ Christianity has been taught in Canadian schools for generations and generations. Your saying that we should change our laws and curriculums because immigrants don't like our traditions / customs?


There should be no prayer rooms in any school, pray on your own time.
 

frankcastle

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I know they are by laws! lol that's why I said accommodations that CANADA made for Muslim /Islamic people.

If there was no Muslim/ Islamic people in Ontario do you think those laws would be in effect right now? I do not think so.
I never said allowing Muslims to pray in school would cause Catholicism to die I just said that it could affect CHANGE in the schools.
For example a muslim going to a catholic school could find the symbol of jesus offensive, especially if they are praying in a classroom.

As for the slippery slope argument. Anything is possible. The government changes all the time as well as the laws, by laws, school curriculums , etc.
If you don't believe it would die then why did you ask that question using the specific word "die"

You really don't understand slippery slope..... I

The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed. This "argument" has the following form:

Event X has occurred (or will or might occur).
Therefore event Y will inevitably happen.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. This is especially clear in cases in which there is a significant number of steps or gradations between one event and another.
Examples of Slippery Slope

"We have to stop the tuition increase! The next thing you know, they'll be charging $40,000 a semester!"

"The US shouldn't get involved militarily in other countries. Once the government sends in a few troops, it will then send in thousands to die."

"You can never give anyone a break. If you do, they'll walk all over you."

"We've got to stop them from banning pornography. Once they start banning one form of literature, they will never stop. Next thing you know, they will be burning all the books!"

If you truly believe anything can happen then why ask us?

BTW what is wrong with the list you created?
1.) allowing muslim woman to wear the barka (full body coverage incuding hair and face ( excluding the eyes of course))
2.) allowing muslim woman to wear the hijab ( head cover/hair cover)

Big deal jews, Sikhs and Christians wear certain things as well

3.) They come to Canada for better jobs, education etc which we provide them

So what that's what all immigrants including your family came for

4.) We allow muslim organizations
Name a religion that is not allowed to have organizations in Canada

5.) we have muslim restaurants (hilal / zabihah)

We have kosher restaurants too

6.) We have religious temples for muslims to pray and practice their religion.
We also have churches, temples, synagoges etc

7.) we respect their religious practices/ dietary restrictions
just as we respect other religions too

8.) we have hilal meat available in almost every grocery store

kosher food is readily available
plus there are non muslims who actively seek out halaal as well. stores carry it because it makes them money they don't do it out of charity or law or bylaw
 

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See post #205.

Then reply to my post.

FAST
Terb is more "locker room" than "house of commons". We are all grownups here.... snowflakes need not apply. As long as we make actual points relating to the subject at hand, rather than nothing but personal slander, I figure all is fair.
 

frankcastle

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that is one possibility... the other is a KKK wizard in a white robe
I think you are thinking of a Grand Wizard?

WW is a lord of the rings reference and is also the name of a RPG company and a cleaning product and the name of a tattoo parlor.

If it was a racist term I doubt three places of business would use it.
 

sweetiepieexo

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I do understand the slippery slope argument. But I never said for SURE Christianity/ catholicsm would die out in fact I never said anything like that. I stated what Canada has done to accommodate islam.. Ive also said what catholic schools do and how they carry out their day. Ive also discussed public schools. Heres an idea. Why don't you actually read my post without trying to put words into my mouth? I asked a question and that was it . Your turning it into a psychology/ sociology lesson ; something ive already studied in college. please don't try to school me frank. I know exactly what you are talking about. I never once said it was for sure going to die out . lmao that would be crazy. In fact what I said was I don't think it will die out because people will celebrate and follow whatever they want. But in schools will it die out ? In other words will religion be taken out of all school systems. Some say yes, some say no, and some just don't care. I'm going to leave it at that. I have other things to do than argue on internet forum.. sweetiepiee out ..xoxox


If you don't believe it would die then why did you ask that question using the specific word "die"

You really don't understand slippery slope..... I

The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed. This "argument" has the following form:

Event X has occurred (or will or might occur).
Therefore event Y will inevitably happen.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. This is especially clear in cases in which there is a significant number of steps or gradations between one event and another.
Examples of Slippery Slope

"We have to stop the tuition increase! The next thing you know, they'll be charging $40,000 a semester!"

"The US shouldn't get involved militarily in other countries. Once the government sends in a few troops, it will then send in thousands to die."

"You can never give anyone a break. If you do, they'll walk all over you."

"We've got to stop them from banning pornography. Once they start banning one form of literature, they will never stop. Next thing you know, they will be burning all the books!"

If you truly believe anything can happen then why ask us?

BTW what is wrong with the list you created?
1.) allowing muslim woman to wear the barka (full body coverage incuding hair and face ( excluding the eyes of course))
2.) allowing muslim woman to wear the hijab ( head cover/hair cover)

Big deal jews, Sikhs and Christians wear certain things as well

3.) They come to Canada for better jobs, education etc which we provide them

So what that's what all immigrants including your family came for

4.) We allow muslim organizations
Name a religion that is not allowed to have organizations in Canada

5.) we have muslim restaurants (hilal / zabihah)

We have kosher restaurants too

6.) We have religious temples for muslims to pray and practice their religion.
We also have churches, temples, synagoges etc

7.) we respect their religious practices/ dietary restrictions
just as we respect other religions too

8.) we have hilal meat available in almost every grocery store

kosher food is readily available
plus there are non muslims who actively seek out halaal as well. stores carry it because it makes them money they don't do it out of charity or law or bylaw
 

sweetiepieexo

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Another one who thinks that is a solution. de-funding catholic schools will only cause more drama/ havoc. But good luck with that :)


Yes.. no Muslim prayer or any other prayer should be allowed in public schools ( and de-fund the Catholic schools)
 

Frankfooter

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Another one who thinks that is a solution. de-funding catholic schools will only cause more drama/ havoc. But good luck with that :)
Quebec already did it, and they were more Catholic then Ontario.
You need a provincial referendum, but it would be worth it. Its ridiculous in this day and age that there is a Catholic school board at all.
Take religion out of schools entirely, be consistent and take them all out.
Christianity and Muslim and even the pastafarians.
 

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Another one who thinks that is a solution. de-funding catholic schools will only cause more drama/ havoc. But good luck with that :)
No religious schools should be funded by tax payers.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Who do you think churches are funded by ?
Or the mosques and temples that are put up? all are funded by taxpayers lol.
Wrong!!

Churches, mosques, synanogogues are almost all funded through private donations called "tithes"
 

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Wrong!!

Churches, mosques, synanogogues are almost all funded through private donations called "tithes"

True. The tithe is supposed to be 10% of your gross income. Fact is that very few church goers actually give at all. 20% support the 80%, just like in many other organizations.

Churches used to get massive tax breaks but not sure if that's still true.
 
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