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Forum poll puts Wynne's personal approval at 11%

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I always knew about 10% of our society was lobotomized hehe :D
 

SaturnFan

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Nobody likes Kathleen Wynne. So the alternatives are Patrick Brown and Andrea Horwath? Good lord Ontario is in trouble no matter who gets elected.
 

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Andrea Horwath is an idiot and Patrick Brown keeps changing with the winds. I think Wynn will probably release the new budget, it will be a balanced budget, she will campaign on a longer term plan and see if she can turn it around. If not she will quit I think. In either case I do not see either of the other leaders to be too promising.
 

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I think Wynn will probably release the new budget, it will be a balanced budget, she will campaign on a longer term plan and see if she can turn it around.
If her personal popularity truly is at 11% (emphasis on if), that would be one hell of a turnaround.

You can never underestimate the Ontario Liberals -- they're much better at campaigning than governing. But there is a point of no return and Wynne may be very close to that point. She may even have crossed it.
 

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If her personal popularity truly is at 11% (emphasis on if), that would be one hell of a turnaround.

You can never underestimate the Ontario Liberals -- they're much better at campaigning than governing. But there is a point of no return and Wynne may be very close to that point. She may even have crossed it.
Okay ... 11% is possible if you take into account people with a sense of humour, actual Liberal MPP's who may have been asked and those that couldn't understand English.

Don't worry about under estimating the Liberals - worry about under estimating the Conservatives ability to get cocky enough to once again slip under it.
 

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You can never underestimate the Ontario Liberals -- they're much better at campaigning than governing.
Who in your opinion has been good at governing in Ontario? Bill Davis and Bob Rae were passable. Since then McGuinty seems to have been the best of a pretty sorry lot.

The PC's contenders have been laughable so far. I mean seriously, Hudak?
 

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I don't believe the poll. 11% is way too high.
 

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Don't worry about under estimating the Liberals - worry about under estimating the Conservatives ability to get cocky enough to once again slip under it.
Yes, Lorrie Goldstein and Jerry Agar made very similar points in columns that ran Sunday.

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/02/25/patrick-leader-should-go-for-broke

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/02/25/liberals-know-how-to-win-against-the-odds-pcs-dont

But I would still say that if Wynne's numbers are as dismal as that poll suggests, a turnaround seems unlikely.

We shall see.
 

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If she goes into the election with a balanced budget, strong economy, 25% reduction in Hydro rates. Brown will have to at least say something... lol. And it does look to be lining up for her to be honest. The 25% cut in Hydro rates will give the economy quite a boost. And it will come from financial engineering rather then expenditure. Personally I am finding it hard to vote for anyone else. Unless Brown says what he actually intends to do, I will vote Wynne. I don't like her much, but I don't like any of the 3. If things are going well, why rock the boat. Toronto is doing EXTREMELY well under Wynne, and the city is a great place to live and work, the clean air is a HUGE + in quality of life, and her investment in transit is appreciated.
 

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If she goes into the election with a balanced budget, strong economy, 25% reduction in Hydro rates. Brown will have to at least say something... lol. And it does look to be lining up for her to be honest.
Patrick Brown, like Hudak, is not so inspiring. Not sure what Doug Ford's plans are, but think if he was running as a PC, he would win big.
 

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If she goes into the election with a balanced budget, strong economy, 25% reduction in Hydro rates. Brown will have to at least say something... lol.
As a fiscal conservative, it pains me to say this, but I don't think the balanced budget will have much impact. Voters certainly didn't penalize the Ontario Liberals for their years of deficits, and Trudeau is almost shameless in the way he's racking up debt.

Plus, Ontario's debt under the Liberals has gone from about $139 billion when they assumed office to more than $300 billion today, with a debt-to-GDP ratio that's up to 40 per cent.

I'm also not convinced the hydro shell game will have much effect. I think the public has really soured on Wynne, and the provincial Liberal government seems to be a spent force.
 

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I hate the Liberal Party with a life long passion, and have supported and voted NDP my whole life.

Wynn made 1 massive bad decision, selling off part of Hydro, but aside from that I hate to admit it, but she's been a damn good Premier and massively more capable then her dip shit predessor, Dalton McGuinity, let's be honest, most of the shit she's had to deal with has passed down to her by Dalton.

If she pulls off cutting Hydro costs by 25% I will consider voting for her, it depends on what Andrea Horwath offers.

I think considering serious voting for, Wynn is the only compliment that I have ever given a Liberal, as I fucking hate the party.

In some ways Katherine Wynn has been closest to an MRA Premier as Ontario has ever had.
 

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Here's the reality: no party deserves to be in power indefinitely and the Liberals have been in since 2003. That's a long ass time. Somebody else needs a crack at it even if only briefly if for no other reason than voters should jerk the politician's chains once in awhile to remind them who they work for. A little fear of the people is healthy in a government.

The Liberals should have lost the last election just on that basis alone. It's simply time to give somebody new a shot.

Unfortunately neither the NDP nor the Tories ran electable candidates. I'd be pleased to see either of them replace the Liberals but they gotta send their A team. They've been nominating complete jokes.
 

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I hate the Liberal Party with a life long passion, and have supported and voted NDP my whole life.

Wynn made 1 massive bad decision, selling off part of Hydro, but aside from that I hate to admit it, but she's been a damn good Premier and massively more capable then her dip shit predessor, Dalton McGuinity, let's be honest, most of the shit she's had to deal with has passed down to her by Dalton.

If she pulls off cutting Hydro costs by 25% I will consider voting for her, it depends on what Andrea Horwath offers.

I think considering serious voting for, Wynn is the only compliment that I have ever given a Liberal, as I fucking hate the party.

In some ways Katherine Wynn has been closest to an MRA Premier as Ontario has ever had.
I agree, but I dunno how you can consider Horwath as an NDPer, she had a massive opportunity to move the NDP agenda forward in a minority gov, instead ambition got the better of her. Yes electricity is quite expensive, but isn't clean air in Toronto worth something? Is this city becoming more awesome each year? Wynn is fine, and she has done well enough that Patrick Brown will have to say something to get me to consider him. I think the fact she is a Lesbian probably costs her at the polls. Some people hate her cos shes a woman or a homo. I don't care and hydro is a small part of my expenses so whatever. I don't think selling Hydro 1 is a mistake. The future points to a possibility that there will be a much reduced transmission grid due to solar and battery tech.
 
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