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Butler1000

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Just finished watching it. I taped it but it may be up on YouTube.

Highlights included at least one candidate clearly stating the process was rigged against Bernie. And others deflecting from answering.

Another highlight was acknowledging that Obama ruined the state level party system to pay for his campaigns. And that it's resulted in all the losses they have experienced the last eight years.

I liked the Mayor from Indiana. He seemed to have a good head on his shoulders. Some of the others like the former Labour Secretary are old hacks who just don't get it.
 

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I'm curious; why the fascination with a foreign country's politics? Spectator sports are known to be less healthy than participation, and we have two federal leaderships open and in contention at the moment right here at home. Where you could actually make a contribution and a difference.
 

Butler1000

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I'm curious; why the fascination with a foreign country's politics? Spectator sports are known to be less healthy than participation, and we have two federal leaderships open and in contention at the moment right here at home. Where you could actually make a contribution and a difference.
Got the bug wham I was in grade school and we followed the Carter win in 76. I've been hooked ever since.

The NDP I have no skin in that game. As to the Conservatives I'm not a party member but an independent voter. I have voted for the Liberals in the past. So I let the parties choose their leader and policy and then decide with my vote and my thumbs if I like it.
 

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...we have two federal leaderships open and in contention at the moment right here at home. Where you could actually make a contribution and a difference.
If the allegations about the Clinton Foundation are accurate, it appears foreigners have been able to make contributions to the American political scene.

As for making a difference ... there seem to be a number of TERBites who think Vladimir Putin is responsible for the outcome of last year's election. :biggrin1:
 

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I watched a bit of the DNC leadership debate but it did nothing for me and I soon changed the channel.

Perhaps I just caught the wrong moment, but the speakers that I saw (who I didn't recognize) seemed so amateurish that I couldn't bear to listen to them for long.
 

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I watched a bit of the DNC leadership debate but it did nothing for me and I soon changed the channel.

Perhaps I just caught the wrong moment, but the speakers that I saw (who I didn't recognize) seemed so amateurish that I couldn't bear to listen to them for long.
The DNC is so void of talent which is why they had to run such a weak candidate. Her only contenders were a socialist curmudgeon and a former Governor who has the personality of a wet sponge. Although I did like O'Malley he seemed like a decent guy.
 

Butler1000

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I watched a bit of the DNC leadership debate but it did nothing for me and I soon changed the channel.

Perhaps I just caught the wrong moment, but the speakers that I saw (who I didn't recognize) seemed so amateurish that I couldn't bear to listen to them for long.
There was one Mayor from Indiana seemed to have a head on his shoulders. Some looked in his mid thirties and had some common sense answers.
 

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The DNC is so void of talent which is why they had to run such a weak candidate. Her only contenders were a socialist curmudgeon and a former Governor who has the personality of a wet sponge. Although I did like O'Malley he seemed like a decent guy.
And what was the reason the GOP ran a weak candidate?

It was a race between the two most disliked candidates in history.
 

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The DNC is so void of talent which is why they had to run such a weak candidate. Her only contenders were a socialist curmudgeon and a former Governor who has the personality of a wet sponge. Although I did like O'Malley he seemed like a decent guy.
So imagine how shitty the other side must be for a slimy man-child to emerge victorious.
 

Butler1000

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So imagine how shitty the other side must be for a slimy man-child to emerge victorious.
So do you have an opinion on the Democrats? Did you watch the debate and see the choices for the leadership? Do you have an opinion on the direction the Democrats should go to be competitive in 2018. To look at the perception that the primaries were fixed for Hillary (as one candidate stated).

It's nice to make cheap comments. But do you have something constructive to say?
 

oldjones

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If the allegations about the Clinton Foundation are accurate, it appears foreigners have been able to make contributions to the American political scene.

As for making a difference ... there seem to be a number of TERBites who think Vladimir Putin is responsible for the outcome of last year's election. :biggrin1:
All kinda interesting sidelights. I'd add the usual fascination humans have for whatever's the biggest, noisiest and most elaborate for howcum you foreigners seem more committed to American politics than your own. But neither you nor Butler actually gave any actual answer to that question I posed, though he at least proved he knew most of the party names.

No comments at all on who should or shouldn't lead the parties of the left or the right in Canada? But who 'leads' [in quotes because there is no such position] a losing American party merits a thread?
 

Butler1000

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All kinda interesting sidelights. I'd add the usual fascination humans have for whatever's the biggest, noisiest and most elaborate for howcum you foreigners seem more committed to American politics than your own. But neither you nor Butler actually gave any actual answer to that question I posed, though he at least proved he knew most of the party names.

No comments at all on who should or shouldn't lead the parties of the left or the right in Canada? But who 'leads' [in quotes because there is no such position] a losing American party merits a thread?
On somewhat limited research I would go with either Sheer or Raitt at this point for the leadership. Both are moderate on social conservative issues and good on economic.

But I will need to explore more and actually see and hear them in action to see about charisma and ability to campaign. The rest are either social conservatives and therefore unelectable, or have varying amounts of baggage and small scandal to cause issues down the road.

The NDP just won't get my vote without a radical policy shift so I will look at who the y pick later so I can pick them apart.

I have peeked in, but let's face it. The race just isn't nearly as sexy as politics down south right now.
 

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On somewhat limited research I would go with either Sheer or Raitt at this point for the leadership. Both are moderate on social conservative issues and good on economic.

But I will need to explore more and actually see and hear them in action to see about charisma and ability to campaign. The rest are either social conservatives and therefore unelectable, or have varying amounts of baggage and small scandal to cause issues down the road.

The NDP just won't get my vote without a radical policy shift so I will look at who the y pick later so I can pick them apart.

I have peeked in, but let's face it. The race just isn't nearly as sexy as politics down south right now.
That's sorta like ignoring your wife — who manages your money — for the sexy centrefold you'll never touch don'cha think?

But thank's for your opinions. I keep forgetting Scheer, and thinking it's too bad Rona Ambrose stayed out. I can't help wondering if Kevin O'Leary might be a Trump but with actual brains, and whether that would be even worse. Whichever. As a true Canadian he politely joined the race, instead of showboating his way to a hostile takeover.

With no real stars who have real government experience to boast of, the NDP are going to be sorry they didn't do better by Mulcair. He was their Paul Martin. Now while the world passes them by, they'll have to dig up a new Jack Layton to be their Trudeau.
 

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No comments at all on who should or shouldn't lead the parties of the left or the right in Canada? But who 'leads' [in quotes because there is no such position] a losing American party merits a thread?
Oldjones, you seem to be getting bitter in your old(er) age. Surely, you knew my response was tongue in cheek.

However, I don't want you to think I'm ignoring the political scene in our home country.

On the Conservative side, I lean towards Bernier but I'm not sure he's electable. I might ultimately endorse O'Leary. None of the others have what it takes to give Trudeau any kind of run for his money.

The NDP side is a bit trickier, as I'm at odds with the party's policies. If I were to put myself in the Dippers' shoes and try to choose someone who I think would best serve the party, my instinct would be to go with Charlie Angus. He strikes me as a pretty sharp guy and he's good in front of the media.
 

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I didn't watch the DNC but if that party is the only alternative to Trump and the GOP - the Americans are royally fucked. In my mind it would be like your only option to Hitler (the real one) is the keystone cops. That is on one side you have a very focused individual who has a clear agenda and the other side a group of chaotic backstabbing morons driving in circles instead of a set straight line. The last time Republicans had three levels of government it ended in disaster with people tossing them out for the Democrats. Democrats had trouble doing anything productive until they just squandered the opportunity. When people are clamouring for change and Bernie Saunders / Trump ride the wave - Democrats sabotage Bernie and ignore his followers.

Right now the core republican strong holds are in open revolt. Even republican Mitch Mcconnell was booed in a rally at his home state for supporting Trump. Democrats are getting booed for not doing enough to fight Trump. There are unprecedented protests weekly but the democrats still flounder. They really need a third party down there.
 

Butler1000

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I didn't watch the DNC but if that party is the only alternative to Trump and the GOP - the Americans are royally fucked. In my mind it would be like your only option to Hitler (the real one) is the keystone cops. That is on one side you have a very focused individual who has a clear agenda and the other side a group of chaotic backstabbing morons driving in circles instead of a set straight line. The last time Republicans had three levels of government it ended in disaster with people tossing them out for the Democrats. Democrats had trouble doing anything productive until they just squandered the opportunity. When people are clamouring for change and Bernie Saunders / Trump ride the wave - Democrats sabotage Bernie and ignore his followers.

Right now the core republican strong holds are in open revolt. Even republican Mitch Mcconnell was booed in a rally at his home state for supporting Trump. Democrats are getting booed for not doing enough to fight Trump. There are unprecedented protests weekly but the democrats still flounder. They really need a third party down there.
The town halls aren't just filled with Trump voters. Moot by a long shot. I would think the ones motivated to come out and put pressure on Senators and Congressmen are his detractors.

Which was the exact same technique used by the Tea Party.

It is in a way democracy at work. I think that when it comes to these things both sides should at least show some decorum and allow the Reps to speak.

As I've said before the long knives will come out on the democratic party soon. They have to make some choices or see a serious fracturing of the base.

And while Trump is successful at the moment there are many within the GoP waiting for failure so they can reset back.

All in all Trump, Bernie, Clinton, some of the GoP leadership are all different sides. And this is becoming more pronounced. I wonder if some new parties with rise out of this in the long run.
 

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