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Harrison Ford Pilot Error

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Every time I see Ford in the past 10 years, he's weird. And the older he gets, the weirder he is. That's old age I guess. In the Star Wars movie, seeing him play Han Solo looked so off. I'm not expecting him to run and jump around like a slim Ford from 40 years ago, but his mannerisms and acting are totally off.

Given that, I don't see how his piloting are not negatively affected over the decades too.
 

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He is an amateur pilot. If Harrison for told you that he would take you up in his helicopter, you would say yes, but if it is you amateur pilot neighbor Dave, you would say no.

............BTW, Harrison crashed his helicopter a few years back as well.
I don't know any amateur pilots, but if I did I would never go. If I need to, I'd make up an excuse not to go.
 

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Did you know half of all aircraft lost in WWII in crashes were from inexperienced pilots trying to land a plane.
During the Viet-Nam war, the US lost 2000 helicopters. Half of those were not due to enemy action, and those were mostly pilot-induced accidents.
 

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No. You have to be fit enough to be a pilot. That means if you're going to fly into a controlled airport (or any unfamiliar airport) you need to review the Airport Facility Directory to learn the setup of the airport. It means knowing your aircraft registration number and knowing you are in an airplane and not a helicopter.

http://people.com/movies/harrison-f...s-in-helicopter-before-controversial-landing/

Aviation is a highly regulated industry. No one here said he did it on purpose. He did it because he didn't have situational awareness. He didn't just make one mistake. He made a series of errors leading up to landing on a taxiway instead of a runway.

I think he has an idea he's past his prime. He recently went flying in his privately owned Cessna Caravan with a co-pilot. That is a single pilot rated aircraft.

He made it to 74, 9 years past the mandatory retirement age for commercial pilots in the U.S. If he's smart, he'll hang it up before he kills himself or someone else.
There are 3 classes of pilot medical certificates in the US and separate classes of pilot certificates including private, commercial and airline transport. To fly a privately owned puddle jumper, you only need a 3rd class medical and a private pilot's certificate. So no, you do not have to be as fit or as qualified as an airline pilot. You need even less under a recreational certificate.

Private aviation is not an industry and is not as regulated as the airline industry. If you have time to waste, check out FAA Part 61 versus Part 91 and 121. Private pilots are not subject to Part 91 (commercial operations) or Part 121 (airline operations), or 135 or 125. The age restriction only applies to captains under Part 121.

The maximum age for Part 121 captains is 65. After that, they can continue as copilots. Does not apply to Parts 61 (basic), 91 (commercial) or 135 (commuter airline). In Canada, there is no age limit to being a copilot of a transport category airliner, and no limit other than air carrier operations, which is 65 for captains.

In Canada, commercial operators of 'single-pilot' Caravans and Pilatus aircraft often fly with a second pilot when conducting IFR flight. So it's not unusual to fly with a safety pilot in his case. An aircraft certified for single pilot flight does not prohibit having a second pilot in the other seat.

I've known (and flown with) pilots who would continue flying commercially well into their 80's.

Your people.com reference is fake news in the way they take out of context, mislead, exaggerate and otherwise sensationalize. They overdramatize for the purpose of click bait.

Ford is not going to be hanged or burned at the stake. He will most likely get a fine, and possible pilot certificate suspension for something like 90 days. As I said before, all kinds of pilots screw up at one time during their flying careers. If screw-ups [almost] never happened, there would not be an enforcement branch of Transport Canada or of the FAA; They would instead send the Mounties or the FBI, respectively. Don't believe everything you see on the internet.
 

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His screw up is like driving a car into oncoming traffic. When a 70+ year old does that, it's time to take his license.

That doesn't happen "all the time".
In the sense that it happens a lot more than you think without the press finding out and making a big deal out of it. Just because you don't see it on the front page doesn't mean that screw-ups such as these don't happen. This wouldn't have made the news had a celebrity not been involved.
 

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There are 3 classes of pilot medical certificates in the US and separate classes of pilot certificates including private, commercial and airline transport. To fly a privately owned puddle jumper, you only need a 3rd class medical and a private pilot's certificate. So no, you do not have to be as fit or as qualified as an airline pilot. You need even less under a recreational certificate.

Private aviation is not an industry and is not as regulated as the airline industry. If you have time to waste, check out FAA Part 61 versus Part 91 and 121. Private pilots are not subject to Part 91 (commercial operations) or Part 121 (airline operations), or 135 or 125. The age restriction only applies to captains under Part 121.

The maximum age for Part 121 captains is 65. After that, they can continue as copilots. Does not apply to Parts 61 (basic), 91 (commercial) or 135 (commuter airline). In Canada, there is no age limit to being a copilot of a transport category airliner, and no limit other than air carrier operations, which is 65 for captains.

In Canada, commercial operators of 'single-pilot' Caravans and Pilatus aircraft often fly with a second pilot when conducting IFR flight. So it's not unusual to fly with a safety pilot in his case. An aircraft certified for single pilot flight does not prohibit having a second pilot in the other seat.

I've known (and flown with) pilots who would continue flying commercially well into their 80's.

Your people.com reference is fake news in the way they take out of context, mislead, exaggerate and otherwise sensationalize. They overdramatize for the purpose of click bait.

Ford is not going to be hanged or burned at the stake. He will most likely get a fine, and possible pilot certificate suspension for something like 90 days. As I said before, all kinds of pilots screw up at one time during their flying careers. If screw-ups [almost] never happened, there would not be an enforcement branch of Transport Canada or of the FAA; They would instead send the Mounties or the FBI, respectively. Don't believe everything you see on the internet.
Checking the equivalent of the CFS is something that even Private Pilots must do if flying into an unfamiliar airport.

If he were in Canada, Transport Canada would conduct a small investigation, and there would be with 100% certainty a CADORS and some form of corrective action. The audio recording has him identifying himself flying a helicopter a couple of times even though the control tower is referring to his aircraft type as a Husky. He eventually corrects himself as flying a Husky instead of a helicopter, right about the time he's told he's on the wrong frequency. You're right, if he wasn't a celebrity, it wouldn't make the news, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't consider giving it up. Lots of tier 1 pilots who have flown with the airlines or with the military experience a dramatic drop in performance as they age. It's not at all unusual. The good pilots realize it and stop flying before something happens. He's prime candidate for piling it in. He's got more money than brains, owns several aircraft so isn't fully proficient on any one of them, and is over 65.

If you feel comfortable flying with someone in their 80's, then good for you, but I'm not going to based on my experience watching top notch pilots whose skills and abilities began taking a nosedive after 65. It's not their fault, but most were smart enough to give it up before something happened. One or two of them had to be told though.
 

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"Ford was cleared Monday by the FAA for the February mishap in which he buzzed a 737 jet and put his single engine plane down on the taxiway at John Wayne International Airport in Orange County, CA."
 

wilbur

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Checking the equivalent of the CFS is something that even Private Pilots must do if flying into an unfamiliar airport.

If he were in Canada, Transport Canada would conduct a small investigation, and there would be with 100% certainty a CADORS and some form of corrective action. The audio recording has him identifying himself flying a helicopter a couple of times even though the control tower is referring to his aircraft type as a Husky. He eventually corrects himself as flying a Husky instead of a helicopter, right about the time he's told he's on the wrong frequency. You're right, if he wasn't a celebrity, it wouldn't make the news, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't consider giving it up. Lots of tier 1 pilots who have flown with the airlines or with the military experience a dramatic drop in performance as they age. It's not at all unusual. The good pilots realize it and stop flying before something happens. He's prime candidate for piling it in. He's got more money than brains, owns several aircraft so isn't fully proficient on any one of them, and is over 65.

If you feel comfortable flying with someone in their 80's, then good for you, but I'm not going to based on my experience watching top notch pilots whose skills and abilities began taking a nosedive after 65. It's not their fault, but most were smart enough to give it up before something happened. One or two of them had to be told though.
You're applying the same standard of performance to a weekend pilot than an airline pilot who flies people for hire or reward. The FAA are usually pretty brutal with their enforcement actions. In this case, I was right that there would not be much than a slap on the wrist. In fact, nothing at all. Mistakes happen, and if you don't accept that anybody can make a mistake, then you shouldn't be flying.
 

poorboy

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You're applying the same standard of performance to a weekend pilot than an airline pilot who flies people for hire or reward. The FAA are usually pretty brutal with their enforcement actions. In this case, I was right that there would not be much than a slap on the wrist. In fact, nothing at all. Mistakes happen, and if you don't accept that anybody can make a mistake, then you shouldn't be flying.
You're right. Anyone can make a mistake, but at his age, he should consider giving it up. It doesn't change my opinion that he is a prime candidate for ending up as a smoking hole in the ground if he continues flying without a "safety pilot", which he appears to now be using even on single pilot rated aircraft. Let's hope he doesn't take anyone with him.

Declining skills and abilities because of advancing age is a very unfortunate thing. I've personally seen the rapid decline of several pilots after they hit 65. Former military and Air Canada pilots who were in the single digits on the seniority list. Ford had a good run lasting to 74.

Everyone knows a senior citizen that drives and somehow by the grace of God somehow manages to avoid a collision. It doesn't mean they are safe to drive. The stakes are higher for flying because of the extra dimension.
 
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