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Frankfooter

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And that's not idle speculation. That's proven fact in any Muslim majority nation.
And there are a lot of racist and sexist Americans (and Canadians, for that matter).
There are assholes in every country.

The problem is that racism is increasing, not decreasing.
Since 1999, the total number of hate groups in the US has more than doubled.

There are now more anti-Muslim , anti-immigrant, anti-LGBT, white nationalist, neo-Nazi, neo-Confederate and black separatist organisations.

But the number of Ku Klux Klan (KKK) chapters, racist skinhead groups and anti-government militias and political groupings has declined, according to the report.

The sharpest increase was among anti-Muslim groups, which grew from 37 to 101 during that period - a 197 percent increase in just one year.

FBI statistics show that hate crimes targeting Muslims had already grown by 67 percent between 2014 and 2015.

The SPLC defines anti-Muslim groups as those that harbour "extreme hostility" towards Muslims, who are "depicted as irrational, intolerant and violent, and their faith is frequently depicted as sanctioning paedophilia, coupled with intolerance for homosexuals and women".

In 2010, the SPLC knew of only five anti-Muslim groups.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/in...ng-hate-rise-hate-groups-170222085001012.html

Its tied to 9/11 and the 'war on terror' that has demonized Muslims since.
 

slowandeasy

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They're caused by poverty and banditry piling on the ceaseless power struggles of rival gangs. Same stuff that causes all wars and conflicts everywhere. No reason to single the folks of Africa and the East out for special blame and no help. Same stuff that made the West Wild and mostly lawless until just a century back. Of'course if you weren't white you kept on being victimized and killed a lot longer, right through nto this century. And all that in spite of the benign influence of Christian churches everywhere. In fact most lynch mob members were regular churchgoers just like their neighbours.

There is nothing unique about Islam, or uniform about the people who practice it They're as varied in their behaviour, good, bad and evil as any and all Christians. Or any me4mbers of any religion or ethic group you care to name.

You are right though slow, simply moving folks into our homes won't make us or them into better people. And the poor immigrants who finally arrived in their Land of Dreams will inevitably find out, we're just like them and the folks they left behind. Just better off and cleaner.

Under our nice clothes we are as bigotted, racist and prejudiced as any of those who exploited and abused them for what they represented, never seeing them for the people they are.

The lesson we should have learned is that all that prosperity we enjoy, and jealously guard from them was built by draft-dodgers and refugees and economic migrants every bit as unlovely and scarey as the poor souls we've taken recently in. Or are now faddishly turning away.

Like the refugees, we need to learn there are no angels in the mirror or aanywhere else, only ordinary individuals, each one just trying to make tomorrow abit better than yesterday.
Bravo!!!! Now that is the oldjones that I admire. Glad to have you back. Excellent, Excellent Excellent.
I agree with 99% of your post. I applaud you for wanting to believe that the current crop of migrants is no different than in the past, but its just not true. In general, people have changed, and the mentality of many immigrants have changed as well. People used to come here wanting to work hard and build their life. Too many come here now expecting life to be easy for them. The general attitude of Islam is one of contempt for western values. This is not innuendo, or what I read in newspapers, this is from years spent with friends and family, at Mosques, social gatherings and in the general community. The other issue is the volume or sheer numbers are changing what is the expected norm. In the past, when immigrants came into the country, they took their cue for their behavior from "Canadians". Now when they land, there is no need to interact with "Canadians". I know many people who have been in the country 10 + years, and cannot converse (even at an elementary level) in English. They develop their norm based on their community. They don't even have to watch Canadian or US TV anymore. There isn't even an attempt at assimilation anymore.

As for Refugees, again, I applaud people who want to help others, but we cannot be responsible for the world's problems.

Yes under our nice clothes, we can be bigots, and prejudiced, etc. but to say that we are as bad as the place they came from is not even close to the truth.
 

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And again I will say in response she is a Bangladeshis in Origin and an American. Not from the ME where the misogyny is prevalent. And I will add her parents probably left not just for economic but cultural opportunities as well.

Great. I wish she had chosen to stay on. Although I do have to question the wisdom of a 22 year old on the security Council. And I'm betting the stares were also about who hired her as well. Please note at no time was she discriminated against. Or fired. She chose to leave based on policy of the incoming administration. No doubt the same occurred with every other one.

Honestly it's a nice story but it's anecdotal and not relevant to the point of what larger portions of the world Islamic population think. The fact that Muslim dominated nations are under Sharia law is a better tell then one WH employee.

She is, in effect more the exception then the rule.
 

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Please show me religious extremists of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Shintoism, Sikhism who guided planes into buildings killing 2.700 people. Or set off 4 suicide bombs in one day killing 3,000 people (Yazidi region of Iraq). Or massacred 300+ school children (Beslan). 8 of the 10 worst terrorist incidents in history were perpetrated by Islamic extremists. Virtually every terrorist incident in the past 30 years has been perpetrated by radical Islam. You are being ASTONISHINGLY dishonest by equating religious extremists across religion type.
I will reply on Frank's behalf. "All of those atrocities were carried out because of US Foreign policy. "
 

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And again I will say in response she is a Bangladeshis in Origin and an American. Not from the ME where the misogyny is prevalent. And I will add her parents probably left not just for economic but cultural opportunities as well.
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So Bangladeshi Muslims aren't as sexist as middle east Muslims according to you?
What do you base that claim on?
 

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I will reply on Frank's behalf. "All of those atrocities were carried out because of US Foreign policy. "
Why do you think that gang of Saudi's crashed planes into American buildings?
You think there was a chapter in the Koran on piloting planes?
 

slowandeasy

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Why do you think that gang of Saudi's crashed planes into American buildings?
You think there was a chapter in the Koran on piloting planes?
Good question. Lets see, perhaps their fathers did not love them enough, maybe their mothers did not breast feed them long enough, maybe they grew up poor, maybe they really believed they really would get 50 virgin when they died, maybe they were in the closet and hated themselves for it or their culture for hating gays, maybe it was the money they were promised for their family, maybe they were brain washed, and yes maybe they felt somehow oppressed by US foreign policy. Who the hell knows what their real motivation was. But who gives a shite, none of it was good enough to take innocent lives..
 

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Goddamn RUSSIANS

http://www.thelocal.se/20170306/rinkeby-teens-say-russian-tv-crew-tried-to-bribe-them

Rinkeby teens say Russian TV crew tried to bribe them
Emma Löfgren cal.com
6 March 2017
16:35 CET+01:00
Rinkeby teens say Russian TV crew tried to bribe them
Rinkeby in Stockholm a day after the riot. Photo: Fredrik Sandberg/TT
Teens in Rinkeby told Danish radio they were offered money by a Russian TV crew in exchange for 'action' on camera, the journalist who interviewed them has told The Local.

Danish radio station Radio24syv spoke to the Rinkeby youngsters after the suburb hit global headlines over a violent riot a day after US president Donald Trump made controversial comments on crime in Sweden.

"They came up to us and said they wanted to see some action. They wanted to bribe us 400 kronor each," a Rinkeby resident referred only to as 'Mohammed' told the radio station.

He said he did not know which TV station they represented, but that they had introduced themselves as Russian journalists and spoke what sounded like Russian to each other. The teenagers said they met them on February 22nd, two days after the riot.

"While we were talking to them, the police came over to us. We did not want to do any of that. But when the police came the Russian journalists said that we were the ones who had said that we would show them some action for 400 kronor each," said the boy.

Radio24syv reporter Tinne Hjersing Knudsen, who spoke to the youths, told The Local that they had told her the story when she asked them what they thought of Rinkeby's image and international media reports.

"My job in Rinkeby was simply to go there, stay for four days and find out if the place was as bad as it is being portrayed. I asked the youths what they thought about the media coverage and they said it had been bad from every media from every country and that a Russian TV crew had offered them money 'to do some action in front of the camera'," she explained.

Stockholm police confirmed to The Local that they were aware of the reports but had no other information. "We do not comment on rumours," a spokesperson told The Local.

Rinkeby, north of Stockholm, has seen a frenzy of media activity in the past few weeks. The Local reported from the suburb and spoke to several locals without incident the day after a night of car-burnings and rioting. However, a US journalist said he and his team were followed by masked men and advised by police to leave on their first visit to Rinkeby. They went back a few days later without incident.

Knudsen said her impressions of the suburb were mixed: "I found Rinkeby full of tension but relatively calm and quiet when I was there. I spoke to many of the locals that were tired of the city's bad reputation and wanted to show the good sides of Rinkeby, so they did. I met many lovely people living in a difficult situation in a bad area with a lot of criminal activity."

During a series of riots in the Husby suburb in 2013, Swedish tabloids were also controversially accused of paying youths to send in footage of car burnings. But security policy commentator Patrik Oksanen told The Local that the latest allegations could be looked at in the context of Russian coverage of Sweden lately.

"The big difference between the accusation that Swedish media paid for images and this are two things: partly that this is paying to create an event and not paying to film an event, and partly the perspective that the story fits all too well with the Russian information war," said Oksanen, the political editor of newspaper Hudiksvalls Tidning and an experienced commentator on security and military politics and Russia.

"The Russian information war is described by many different security service reports in a similar way, it tries to paint Europe as a chaotic place in disrepair and tries to increase tensions within and between countries in the hope that both the EU and Nato will in time fall apart from the pressure. Then Russia can restore its sphere of influence and be stronger, in relative terms, than it is today," he said.

"It is of course difficult to assess the credibility of the claim without having spoken to the people involved, but it is not at all impossible," Kalle Kniivilä, a reporter for the Sydsvenskan newspaper and the author of several books about Russia, told The Local, highlighting a recent report from Rinkeby by Russian network NTV, which paints Sweden as a nation falling apart as a result of immigration.

"The large Russian channel NTV, which reported from Rinkeby a few days ago, is among other things known for smear films about the Russian opposition, but hardly for strong journalistic ethics. In NTV's report you can by the way suddenly see a Finnish police car driving past, even thought it's about Sweden."

An editor of NTV declined to comment when approached by Swedish media.

Knudsen said that the Rinkeby youngsters did not seem aware of any geopolitical implications.

"They didn't put this into a big context of international politics where Russia is trying to misinform and create tension in the West. They didn't seem to understand why I thought it was particularly interesting that these journalists were Russian," she told The Local.
 
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