The 2017 Blue Jay season thread

smitherz · Aug 17, 2017

Jays don't need to trade Estrada, he doesn't have a large contract they're trying to offload. if they don't get an offer they like they can pull him back from waivers. Yanks need a veteran starter more than the Jays do. They're chasing Boston for the division lead whereas the Jays are just hoping for a miracle to land the second wild card spot.

They put him on waivers the day after Tanaka was DL'd , like dangling bait and gauging how desperate they are.
Standard procedure this time of year.

shack · Aug 17, 2017

SkyRider said:
Do like the NHL. 16 teams in the playoffs.

Wouldn't it be great seeing World Series games in cities like NY, Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis etc. OUTDOORS in MID_NOVEMBER?

Another scatterbrained suggestion.

Phil C. McNasty · Aug 17, 2017

Rowley 3 scoreless Innings and almost every pitch was an 82mph changeup

SkyRider · Aug 17, 2017

shack said:
Wouldn't it be great seeing World Series games in cities like NY, Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis etc. OUTDOORS in MID_NOVEMBER?

Another scatterbrained suggestion.

Do you ever think before you post? Of course, the regular season will be shortened so that all is done by mid-October. 162 game regular season is way too long anyway.

Have you ever proposed any ideas at all? Ever?

Phil C. McNasty · Aug 17, 2017

We're getting a bit lucky against Archer right now

Phil C. McNasty · Aug 17, 2017

Rowley is a keeper!! He just needs to work on his walks.

The way he changes speeds reminds me of Mike Boddicker

Ref · Aug 17, 2017

ultistar said:
Did I mention how much I really hate the 2nd wild card system? (rhetorical, I have)
MLB's stated reason for this stupid monstrosity is, of course, commercial; it keeps more teams in the WC hunt later into Sept to keep fan interest up.

And in a sense, it does. The Jays are JUST 3.5 games out of the 2nd WC spot, and the causal fan thinks they have a chance.
In reality, they are behind 7 others teams so the Jays pretty much have to hope everything goes right to grab that spot.

The Jays have the 4th worst record in the AL so they have no business of pretending to hold out some hope for post-season in 2017 and instead should concentrate their efforts on building a competitive team in 2018. I, and many others, would pay good money to go see a team on the rise.
Watching this team in decline is a waste.

The one game WC winner is also retarded. Baseball, more than any other team sport is very random. Meaning, no matter how good or bad, every team is going to win 41 games and lose 41 games, and the talent determines what happens in the remaining 80 games. Proof? No team has won or lost more than 121 games in a season.
So effectively the one WC game is basically a crap shoot, coin flip.

Why bother with it?
money.
Stupid money.

[rant over]

The second wild card has achieved what it was supposed to do - Keep more teams in the hunt and maintain fan interest.

Also, a season is long and injuries, slumps, etc. can happen at different times. Some teams start out white hot, slow down and ride that wave through the season, others stay in the hunt and then get white hot at the end of the season.

Baseball is also one of those games that will change daily, and in a short series a couple of rock star pitchers can win it all.

The one thing I would like to see in baseball is for them to make the wild card round a 3 out of 5 series and play the games back to back like they do in the regular season. As a matter of fact, play the games back to back throughout the entire playoffs.

shack · Aug 17, 2017

SkyRider said:
Do you ever think before you post? Of course, the regular season will be shortened so that all is done by mid-October. 162 game regular season is way too long anyway.

Have you ever proposed any ideas at all? Ever?

I would rather say nothing than to post drivel.

A couple of questions. How long would a 16 team playoffs take? What would be the format? How many games would the regular season be shortened by?

SkyRider · Aug 17, 2017

"MLB commissioner Rob Manfred said he will consider shortening the baseball season if there is interest in that proposal."

8 teams from each league play best of 7 rounds, the winner from each league play WS. Could all be done in a month.

Phil C. McNasty · Aug 17, 2017

SkyRider said:
"MLB commissioner Rob Manfred said he will consider shortening the baseball season if there is interest in that proposal."

8 teams from each league play best of 7 rounds, the winner from each league play WS. Could all be done in a month

Skyrider, I kinda like you, but you write the strangest shit. How are they gonna condense a 162-game season and stil have room for a playoff system that you're suggesting?? The only way that could be done as if they mess with the records and they're not going to do that

SkyRider · Aug 17, 2017

Phil C. McNasty said:
Skyrider, I kinda like you, but you write the strangest shit. How are they gonna condense a 162-game season and stil have room for a playoff system that you're suggesting?? The only way that could be done as if they mess with the records and they're not going to do that

I'm open to ideas. I know that Utistar and Ref said they are not happy with the current playoff system. I don't like the one game playoff either. It's like flipping a coin.

Phil C. McNasty · Aug 17, 2017

SkyRider said:
I'm open to ideas. I know that Utistar and Ref said they are not happy with the current playoff system. I don't like the one game playoff either. It's like flipping a coin

There really is no other way to do it though. When MLB switched from Babe Ruth days of 154 games to 162 games there already was a massive outcry, I dont see how you're gonna fit an extended playoff system into a 162-game regular season.

If you think you can, please tell us how

SkyRider · Aug 18, 2017

Phil C. McNasty said:
There really is no other way to do it though. When MLB switched from Babe Ruth days of 154 games to 162 games there already was a massive outcry, I dont see how you're gonna fit an extended playoff system into a 162-game regular season.

If you think you can, please tell us how

I'm not married to any particular idea but like Ultistar and Ref I am also not happy with the current playoff system, especially the wild card.

Samranchoi · Aug 18, 2017

Usually during a 162 game season, the best teams in the league rise to the top, whether they are better by one game or 10 games or 20 games. In the days before the Jays won their first two World Series, how many fans were frustrated that while they had good teams, they were never able to reach the championship we all wanted. At least with the current Wild card format, the best teams make the playoffs with some exceptions. Interest by fans is probably higherh when teams are in the playoff hunt and with increased interest comes increased revenues from ticket sales, merchandise revenue and media rights. The biggest winners are the players whose salaries for the best players keep escalating.

Keebler Elf · Aug 18, 2017

SkyRider said:
"MLB commissioner Rob Manfred said he will consider shortening the baseball season if there is interest in that proposal."

8 teams from each league play best of 7 rounds, the winner from each league play WS. Could all be done in a month.

This is all about keeping more teams in it longer to keep interest (and TV ratings) high. It also means more playoff games which bring in more money that the regular season games they are replacing.

MLB has a problem in that many markets are effectively eliminated by the halfway mark of the season, which reduces interest. They need a way to keep fans interested and this is one way.

Personally I wouldn't mind it. I don't see any particular value of 162 games vs. say 130-140 games. Playoff baseball is much more interesting. That said, I do find playoff hockey drags on a long time so hope they don't go down that road.

Once they started adding wild card games this result was inevitable.

ultistar · Aug 18, 2017

Not sure which I hate more: the 2 WC teams or 8 teams from each league. Both are awful.

Dawgger · Aug 18, 2017

SkyRider said:
"MLB commissioner Rob Manfred said he will consider shortening the baseball season if there is interest in that proposal."

8 teams from each league play best of 7 rounds, the winner from each league play WS. Could all be done in a month.

The key word there is "consider".

It will be resolved around the dollar. What will be the most profitable? The 2 WC system creates a lot of fan interest because teams that should be out are still alive thus fan continue to watch in person or via TV. 162 games creates a lot of revenue just from season ticket holders. Add the fans that show up because their team still has a chance and the 2 WC is quite lucrative. IMO baseball has to come up with a system that will grow profitability before it changes the current system.

I hate the one game playoff. Problem is if you extend that playoff you extend the season and the weather becomes a negative factor.

Ref · Aug 18, 2017

Dawgger said:
I hate the one game playoff. Problem is if you extend that playoff you extend the season and the weather becomes a negative factor.

All baseball needs to do is schedule games daily as opposed to the numerous amount of breaks between games. When weather comes into play, schedule a double-header.

As much as MLB would admit, baseball is not a true national sport - It is more regional. Baseball fans tend to nationalize around the LCS and WS games. The rest of the play-offs are mainly for the local fans.

Also, MLB needs to stop with the bullshit afternoon games during the play-offs. Keep all games at night so fans can enjoy watching their team as opposed to missing the game because they are at work or at school.

Phil C. McNasty · Aug 19, 2017

Dawgger said:
The key word there is "consider".

It will be resolved around the dollar. What will be the most profitable? The 2 WC system creates a lot of fan interest because teams that should be out are still alive thus fan continue to watch in person or via TV. 162 games creates a lot of revenue just from season ticket holders. Add the fans that show up because their team still has a chance and the 2 WC is quite lucrative. IMO baseball has to come up with a system that will grow profitability before it changes the current system.

I hate the one game playoff. Problem is if you extend that playoff you extend the season and the weather becomes a negative factor

Yup, the only way it will work is if every MLB team has a dome stadium

SkyRider · Aug 19, 2017

Ref said:
All baseball needs to do is schedule games daily as opposed to the numerous amount of breaks between games. When weather comes into play, schedule a double-header.

As much as MLB would admit, baseball is not a true national sport - It is more regional. Baseball fans tend to nationalize around the LCS and WS games. The rest of the play-offs are mainly for the local fans.

Also, MLB needs to stop with the bullshit afternoon games during the play-offs. Keep all games at night so fans can enjoy watching their team as opposed to missing the game because they are at work or at school.

A 162 game regular season is too long. Notice how many times players are sat down so they could take a break. This will sound radical to those who can't think outside the box, why not have ties?

I hate afternoon games. Apparently, it is for kids because unlike hockey and basketball, baseball kids have to go to bed at 7PM and can't stay up to watch night games.

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