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Israel: 1000 Complaints of Torture of Palestinians - Not a Single Investigation

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Facts such as these explain why the ICC is conducting preliminary investigations into possible war crimes by Israel.

Israel has failed to launch a single criminal investigation for torture despite more than 1,000 complaints by victims since 2001.

"Last week, the Tel Aviv newspaper Haaretz revealed that the justice ministry unit responsible for investigating torture complaints, known by its Hebrew acronym Mivtan, employs only one investigator.

Mivtan “has never launched a single criminal investigation against a Shin Bet agent, even though it has examined many hundreds of complaints,” Haaretz reports, referring to the Israeli secret police agency also commonly known as Shabak, the Israel Security Agency or the General Security Service.

The fact that there is only a single investigator means “it’s unlikely that complaints can be thoroughly examined,” Haaretz states. “In practice, then, the unit does not interfere with the Shin Bet’s work, even though complainants have reported harsh and prohibited forms of torture – including severe beatings and extensive sleep deprivation.”

From 2001 to 2008, nearly 600 complaints were submitted to Mivtan, but every single one was dismissed. During that period, the investigations were carried out by a Shin Bet employee, meaning in effect that the agency that was accused of torture was in charge of investigating itself.

In 2013, the justice ministry named an ostensibly more independent person to head the unit, but with no impact: none of the approximately 300 inquiries conducted since the appointment resulted in a single criminal investigation either, according to Haaretz."

https://electronicintifada.net/blog...il&utm_term=0_e802a7602d-f8568e838c-290656189
 

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My bet is that it is not to at least two members on this board. One may make a rhetorical and meek condemnation and then run for the hills.
True, they'll probably just ignore this one, or show up and try to blame Hamas for letting Israel torture them.
 

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Not a peep from them after all their whining that they care so deeply about Palestinians.
Nope, they are very quiet.
Not a single post explaining why Hamas is responsible or even a post saying by posting this we are obviously justifying terrorism.
They are slipping.
 

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Nope, they are very quiet.
Not a single post explaining why Hamas is responsible or even a post saying by posting this we are obviously justifying terrorism.
They are slipping.

Yes, alleged cases of Israeli using torture should be investigated but if you want to look at torture as an issue I'm sure you're willing to discuss the widespread use of torture by both the PA and Hamas right?



Arbitrary arrests and detentions

Security authorities in the West Bank, including Preventative Security and General Intelligence, and those in Gaza, particularly Internal Security, arbitrarily arrested and detained their critics, including supporters of rival political organizations.

Unfair trials

In both the West Bank and Gaza, political and judicial authorities failed to ensure adherence to basic due process rights, such as prompt access to legal counsel and to charge or release. Palestinian security forces in the West Bank held detainees for long periods without trial on orders of regional governors, and delayed or failed to comply with court orders for the release of detainees in dozens of cases. In Gaza, Hamas military courts continued to convict defendants in unfair trials, sentencing some to death.

Torture and other ill-treatment

Torture and other ill-treatment of detainees remained common and was committed with impunity by Palestinian police and other security forces in the West Bank, and Hamas police and other security forces in Gaza. In both areas, the victims included children.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countrie...palestine-state-of/report-palestine-state-of/

But hey, that's only Amnesty international talking. 1,000 reports in Israel since 2001 vs. 613 by Palestinian governments in the first 11 months of 2015.

I'm sure you'll agree that the Palestinian torturing over 650/year is far worse than the 65/year by Israel and deserves much stronger condemnation.
 

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Yes, alleged cases of Israeli using torture should be investigated but if you want to look at torture as an issue I'm sure you're willing to discuss the widespread use of torture by both the PA and Hamas right?
Amnesty reports on torture AND ill treatment.
That's different then just reports on torture.

Yes, alleged cases of Israeli using torture should be investigated
The allegations is that 1,000 cases reported and basically zero investigated.
Israel tortures and doesn't investigate or care about this torture.
 

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So you don't want to talk about 650 torture reports per year by the Palestinians but want to shit all over Israel for 65 reports per year. What a surprise.


p.s. The 1000 number about Israel is directly from Amnesty as well, also listed under "torture and ill treatment". But no one would ever accuse you of having a double standard.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countrie...-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/
We are talking torture.
Tell me exactly how many of those 651 are torture and how many are ill treatment.
 

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Yes, alleged cases of Israeli using torture should be investigated but if you want to look at torture as an issue I'm sure you're willing to discuss the widespread use of torture by both the PA and Hamas right?



Arbitrary arrests and detentions

Security authorities in the West Bank, including Preventative Security and General Intelligence, and those in Gaza, particularly Internal Security, arbitrarily arrested and detained their critics, including supporters of rival political organizations.

Unfair trials

In both the West Bank and Gaza, political and judicial authorities failed to ensure adherence to basic due process rights, such as prompt access to legal counsel and to charge or release. Palestinian security forces in the West Bank held detainees for long periods without trial on orders of regional governors, and delayed or failed to comply with court orders for the release of detainees in dozens of cases. In Gaza, Hamas military courts continued to convict defendants in unfair trials, sentencing some to death.

Torture and other ill-treatment

Torture and other ill-treatment of detainees remained common and was committed with impunity by Palestinian police and other security forces in the West Bank, and Hamas police and other security forces in Gaza. In both areas, the victims included children.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countrie...palestine-state-of/report-palestine-state-of/

But hey, that's only Amnesty international talking. 1,000 reports in Israel since 2001 vs. 613 by Palestinian governments in the first 11 months of 2015.

I'm sure you'll agree that the Palestinian torturing over 650/year is far worse than the 65/year by Israel and deserves much stronger condemnation.
Very Donald Trump. When confronted with negative information, double down to avoid the negative information and attack the victims.

But, if you step back from that knee jerk reaction, you will find some compelling facts. One is the the Palestinians have an internationally recognized Human Rights organization that they can make complaints to: The Independent Commission for Human Rights.

"In 2009 the ICHR received full accreditation as a national institution in accordance with the 1993 Paris Principles of National Human Rights Institutions (NHRI). The International Coordinating Committee of National Human Rights Institutions (ICC) had granted it an A status with reserves in 2005.[1]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Independent_Commission_for_Human_Rights

It's well known that having an independent Human Rights body results in more people coming forward and feeling safe doing so.

Israel on the other hand does not have any national body that protects Human Rights. None. In Israel, people who have been tortured have to make a complaint to their torturers. Those are the people in this story who have not investigated a single incident of their own torture.
 

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We are talking torture.
Tell me exactly how many of those 651 are torture and how many are ill treatment.
And now Amnesty is lying about Palestinians but telling the truth about Israel?

You have to be seriously fucked up when you criticize Israel but refuse to criticize the Palestinians for being 10 times worse.
 

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And now Amnesty is lying about Palestinians but telling the truth about Israel?
They aren't lying, they have one number released for torture and ill treatment.
Since we are discussing torture you need to tell us exactly what the real number for torture was, not including 'ill treatment'.

Then we can discuss whether or not Palestinians torture as often as Israeli's do.
 

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They aren't lying, they have one number released for torture and ill treatment.....
And that is the exact same category that Amnesty used to describe the 1000 cases since 2001.

But sure, keep on ignoring the Palestinian torture that is 10 x worse than Israel.
 

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And that is the exact same category that Amnesty used to describe the 1000 cases since 2001.

But sure, keep on ignoring the Palestinian torture that is 10 x worse than Israel.
Dude,...why in hell did you even show up on this thread,...???

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And that is the exact same category that Amnesty used to describe the 1000 cases since 2001.
Try again, Amnesty lumps both of those categories together while the OP's source doesn't.
That's why your number is not comparable.
Until you can separate Amnesty's reports on torture from ill treatment you can't compare them.
 

basketcase

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Try again, Amnesty lumps both of those categories together while the OP's source doesn't.....
The number that Haaretz uses is identical to Amnesty's number; amnesty is the original source.

But sure, do whatever you can to avoid discussing massive torture (and ill treatment) by Palestinian authorities. It is obvious you have little interest in the well being of Palestinians except as a vehicle to show your hatred.
 

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The number that Haaretz uses is identical to Amnesty's number; amnesty is the original source.

But sure, do whatever you can to avoid discussing massive torture (and ill treatment) by Palestinian authorities. It is obvious you have little interest in the well being of Palestinians except as a vehicle to show your hatred.
Here's the original source.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countrie...-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

No mention of your numbers, only of Israelis torturing Palestinians.
Try again.
 

basketcase

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Here's the original source.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countrie...-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

No mention of your numbers, only of Israelis torturing Palestinians.
Try again.
Holy shit you are pathetic.

First off, the number in the OP's article is clearly described by amnesty.

Secondly, I guess you are unable to read but I posted the Amnesty link to their report on the Palestinian government in #7. But since you can't read, try clicking the red symbols below.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countrie...palestine-state-of/report-palestine-state-of/


And I am sure that you will never actually criticize the Palestinians for using torture at least 10 times as often as Israel. You said Israel was disgusting for averaging 65 cases/year but your are incapable of describing the Palestinian governments as 10 X as disgusting.
 
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